[Lotto StudParticipant]

I am looking at Josh Smith & I am really upset that he really bulked up this big. I miss the old JSmoove with the skinny frame. Beasley has a nice frame now as we speak, but Is it possible he bulks up like JSmoove & end up playing some power forward down the line permanetly?

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I agree. JSmoove don’t got the ups he used to.

But maybe it was best for him to bulk up. I mean, he’s still very athletic, and he didn’t have the skill to play on the wing full time (poor ball handler and shooter). He needed to bulk up in order to play PF full time.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Do you see same thing happening to Beasley?

[The lake show2]

I doubt it with beasley since he has the jumper and handles to play the wing. Josh was always iffy and better suited to play PF

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Josh Smith has to be 250-255 lbs

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Beasley runs about 235lbs I would hate to see him 245-250lbs

[PlatypusParticipant]

smith is 240

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/josh_smith/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3834

 

 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I’m not buying that 240 sh*t you are selling for Smith. If that’s the case LeBron is 250 still.

[The lake show2]

I can see it.Most of the weight is in the lower body if im not mistaken so you dont have to look all big up top to be a certain size

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Which post are you referring to?

[MichaelBeasleyParticipant]

Why does Beasley want to move back to the 4 when he was domianting the Small Forward position early in the season?

 

BTW You do realize Beasley plays along A.R and Love who are both 4’s?

 

Beasley stats before injuries:22ppg 6rpg 1apg 48fg% TS%55 32MPG

Since than: 15ppg 4rpg 2apg 41fg% TS%49 30MPG

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I’m quite sure JSmoove never envisioned himself bulking up to 250 to play the 4. Dude was 220 when he came into the league & by far 1 of the most athletic wings in the game.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

Now let’s be honest did anyone see it coming that LeBron would bulk up to 260+ coming into the league, because I did not I thought he would stay in the 235 range.

[ghettosermonParticipant]

Josh had to bulk up. He’s to the point now that he doesn’t rely on shot blocking anymore. He can guard most post bigs one on one without having to go for the shot block. Problem is that Horford gets abused by centers because he’s also a PF. 2 of the best players on the Hawks are the same position which is the problem. Horford is doing admirably at center but he is a true 4. Josh actually did well when he played SF when Marvin Williams was hurt. He gets a lot of flack for shooting 3’s but most don’t realize that even with the # of 3’s he takes he shoots better from 3 than both Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I just hate the fact he let himself go

[ghettosermonParticipant]

^^ How has he let go? In 06 the coaches asked him to bulk up to 235 to play PF full time. If anything bulking up has helped his game and has improved the longevity of his career. Lets be honest the way he used to play once his athleticism started to deteriorate with age he’d be nothing. Since bulking up he has developed far greater post skills, passing skills, and he is a true defender now not just a shot blocker. He’s made it so that he’ll stick around even when his hops start to fade. BTW he can still get up. Problem now is that he has to help on the double whenver Horford is guarding a taller guy and Marvin Williams refuses to help on rotation. I will say that between Josh, Marvin, and JJ, whatever they are eating is going straight to their ass.

[ghettosermonParticipant]

Anyways with the Beasley question only similarities with Josh is they are lefties from Oak Hill. He would get eaten alive as a 4 on defense even if he gains weight. His strengths are on the perimeter but once his quickness is gone so that fades as well. If he wants to continue he needs to get quicker. His advantage at the 3 is his size and quickness, if he loses that he’s a glorified jump shooter.

[4th dimension]

I think bulking up to 245-255(what ever his real weight is now) is a good thing since he was going to eventually be a full-time NBA PF. Even tho the added weight has helped him guard bigger PF, he still a 250lbs that still tries to play like a SF, his post up game is still not part of his game despite the added weight/strength.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

"I will say that between Josh, Marvin, and JJ, whatever they are eating is going straight to their ass."

Thought I was the only 1 that noticed the zoom zooms & wam wams were going to the wrong spots.

[The lake show2]

I’m sure Josh thought he would be a SF all his career and a very good one but his game didn’t quite agree with what his mind said. wasnt the best defensive as far as moving his feet. Was good at help side and weak side shot blocking which works much better as a PF.

 

Bulking up has definitely helped his game. He had his best year last year as a bulked up player. He’s much more effective as a PF why would anyone want to see him at the SF where he is a detriment to the team with his lack of handling and three point shooting. If he was playing on the Harlem globe trotters that’s a better position for him buts its the NBA and PF is better for him

[TeamShowtimeLakersParticipant]

i can see beasley bulking up but he has more potential playing the small forward honestly.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I don’t think there is anything wrong with Smith getting bigger. He learned early on that he was going to be spending most of his time at the 4 so he got bigger and stronger. You can’t go banging around down low all game long weighing 220. It’s too much wear on the body. Personally, I thought he should have been developed into a 3 and playing the occassional 4, but things didn’t work out that way, but I still like how he has developed. He’s playing more within himself and he’s making smarter decisions.

As far as Beasly goes I think his game is more suited for the 4, but that will never make sense with both Love and now Randolph there. Either way he is going to be a mismatch on offense. Defensively he’s going to get beat either way. I think he is at a place where he should either work to lose weight to make him quicker on the perimeter or he’s going to have to get bigger and play down low. If not, I agree with the other person that said he will be a glorified jump shooter, but I don’t think he’s dead eye enough to be one that is anything spectacular.

[ghettosermonParticipant]

Josh never really had a chance to develop as a 3. As a rookie they also brought in Top 10 pick Josh Childress and Donta Smith both who played SF. They already had Boris Diaw and Al Harrington as well, although Harrington was a PF. The next year they for whatever reason drafted Marvin Williams over Chris Paul and Deron Williams. That gave them 3 straight first rounders at SF. Funny enough today SF is the Hawks weakest position even though it’s the reason they passed up on CP3. Thank God for Josh developing as a 4, as the Hawks wasted 2 top 10 picks on Childress and Marvin Williams. Figures the times we actually did draft need over a SF we take Acie Law over Thaddeus Young and Wilson Chandler, and Shelden Williams over Rudy Gay and Brandon Roy. Good God imagine the Hawks if they had CP3 and Rudy Gay lol. And I know it’s all in retrospect but even at the time I wanted to punch someone when we drafted Shelden Williams at #5. I knew he’d never be a good player.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

Good point ghettosermon. I had forgotten about some of that brief bit of history. The Shelden Williams thing caught me way off guard when it happened. I think a lot of people knew that was a bad pick when it happened. Before the pick I was thinking this is a team on the rise and they get to add a top pick with some real talent to pick from. I also had the same feeling when they drafted Williams. I didn’t know how good he would or wouldn’t be, but I had always thought that Cp3 or Williams should have been the pick. Now Atlanta is just a stagnant team going nowhere.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I really do see B-Easy bulking up within the next 4-5 years

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