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  • #51524
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    Tioseco
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    Since it’s very boring nowadays NBA-wise, I’ve decided to make a thread dedicated to naming those players who, for reasons you don’t understand, get tons of hype (or at least relative to what you think he should be getting) from users on this site or even among your own friends/social circle. I know this is the type of post that just begs for negs as pretty much everyone would (should) be making unpopular decisions so, I just wish that the users be considerate to the views of others.

    I’ll start. I don’t understand why a lot of users here love Gordon Hayward so much. I get that he’s a solid player that plays with a lot of passion but, the way and the frequency that he’s talked about here would make a stranger to the NBA think that he’s one of the best up and coming talents in the league – which he is most certainly not. He’s a very good athlete and has good all-around skills but I don’t see anything special in him. He may have a fluke year wherein he averages 18-7-3 or something like that but, I highly doubt it.

    I have a few more names in my head but I’ll just keep it here. Who are yours?

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  • #826724
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    Chilbert arenas
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    I hate to continue the Jazz theme but I don’t get the Kanter Favors hype. I know they’re per 38min stats are apparently great but whenever I watch I’m never overly impressed with any dominance or consistency. Also whenever they’re on the floor it’s typically against the opposing teams backups. I really want both these players to be as successful as people on this site expect them to be but I haven’t seen enough from either to think they’re going to be all-stars anytime soon. Favors and Cousins are the same age and Favors was taken 2 picks ahead of Demarcus. I’m not a huge Cousins fan but his offensive skill, foot speed, soft touch, and great hands are unquestionable. Favors on paper is a great athlete but never blows me away in games like Amare and Dwight used to. Great thing is we’ll be able to see this next year where these guys really are at in their development and I hope to be proven wrong.

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    • #826729
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      Suckerpunch
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      Favours needs to adjust his game or he wont get near people’s expectations. Last season he was 6th in the league for fouls per 48 minutes with 6.6

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    • #826834
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      Suckerpunch
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      Favours needs to adjust his game or he wont get near people’s expectations. Last season he was 6th in the league for fouls per 48 minutes with 6.6

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  • #826828
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    Chilbert arenas
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    I hate to continue the Jazz theme but I don’t get the Kanter Favors hype. I know they’re per 38min stats are apparently great but whenever I watch I’m never overly impressed with any dominance or consistency. Also whenever they’re on the floor it’s typically against the opposing teams backups. I really want both these players to be as successful as people on this site expect them to be but I haven’t seen enough from either to think they’re going to be all-stars anytime soon. Favors and Cousins are the same age and Favors was taken 2 picks ahead of Demarcus. I’m not a huge Cousins fan but his offensive skill, foot speed, soft touch, and great hands are unquestionable. Favors on paper is a great athlete but never blows me away in games like Amare and Dwight used to. Great thing is we’ll be able to see this next year where these guys really are at in their development and I hope to be proven wrong.

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  • #826733
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    First off, sorry, these aren’t NBA players. Second, I don’t mean to to sound like a Kentucky hater or to sound biased in any way, because I think Julius Randle and James Young were two of the best players in that high school class, I’m just not buying into the Harrison Twins. This may be completely premature of me to say, but it’s the offseason so who cares, I think the Harrison Twins’ status in our most recent high school class has a lot to with 1. they are twins and 2. they are going to Kentucky. They just aren’t very athletic, and yes, they have great size but they don’t play like they do or use it well against their opponents. Andrew hasn’t proved to me that he has great point guard skills. Kentucky better hope that they are top notch jump shooters because I am not seeing much after that.

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  • #826837
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    Phogify
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    First off, sorry, these aren’t NBA players. Second, I don’t mean to to sound like a Kentucky hater or to sound biased in any way, because I think Julius Randle and James Young were two of the best players in that high school class, I’m just not buying into the Harrison Twins. This may be completely premature of me to say, but it’s the offseason so who cares, I think the Harrison Twins’ status in our most recent high school class has a lot to with 1. they are twins and 2. they are going to Kentucky. They just aren’t very athletic, and yes, they have great size but they don’t play like they do or use it well against their opponents. Andrew hasn’t proved to me that he has great point guard skills. Kentucky better hope that they are top notch jump shooters because I am not seeing much after that.

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  • #826731
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    As a Knick fan, my vote is with Carmelo. He has a large arsenal of offense moves, but he’s one dimensional and has the reoccuring tendency to play hero ball when it’s completely unnecessary. In a league where Wade plays second fiddle, Anthony should consider doing something similar. Unless he dramatically changes his style of play I can’t see him leading a team to a championship.

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    • #826761
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      Choppy
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      +1 for that! Elite offensive player who does nothing else of note for his team. Never understood the hype.

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    • #826865
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      Choppy
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      +1 for that! Elite offensive player who does nothing else of note for his team. Never understood the hype.

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    • #826773
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      Melo is good at scoring but like most American pros sucks at defence, leadership and passing.

      He is not a top10 player in the league and will never win a championship all the time he is the no1 scoring option.

      Dwight Howard is way overrated. He has a bad back and is not good offensively. Even with harden, the rockets will not win a championship. Dwight is only at the top of the centres and this is by far the weakest postion in the nba

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      • #826897
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        strobox88
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        Melo not top 10? You funny, my man.

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      • #826793
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        strobox88
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        Melo not top 10? You funny, my man.

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    • #826877
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      Melo is good at scoring but like most American pros sucks at defence, leadership and passing.

      He is not a top10 player in the league and will never win a championship all the time he is the no1 scoring option.

      Dwight Howard is way overrated. He has a bad back and is not good offensively. Even with harden, the rockets will not win a championship. Dwight is only at the top of the centres and this is by far the weakest postion in the nba

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    • #826909
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      M.Garvey
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      Melo is who he is. Not everyone can stuff the stat sheet with reb and ast, thats what makes Lebron special. if you want to complain about his leadership and defense then i agree. But he has the full offensive repertoire. Hero ball? he has one of the best percentages and total fgs in crunch time. I personally have always wanted him to shoot 47-50% FG which i think he’s capable of. Who was the best player Melo played with? I’ll wait…….In a league where Lebron gets to play with Wade and Bosh – I think we can cut Melo some slack.

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    • #826805
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      M.Garvey
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      Melo is who he is. Not everyone can stuff the stat sheet with reb and ast, thats what makes Lebron special. if you want to complain about his leadership and defense then i agree. But he has the full offensive repertoire. Hero ball? he has one of the best percentages and total fgs in crunch time. I personally have always wanted him to shoot 47-50% FG which i think he’s capable of. Who was the best player Melo played with? I’ll wait…….In a league where Lebron gets to play with Wade and Bosh – I think we can cut Melo some slack.

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      • #826935
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        DolanCare
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        I’m not saying that he’s not clutch. I’m saying he halts ball movement and takes contested jumpers instead of facilitating a flow on offense. He’s an incredible talent who also happens to be the antithesis of Popovich ball which has proven to be extremeley effective if everyone buys into it.

        I’m also tired of people saying that Melo’s supporting cast is poor. What critics don’t understand is that lack of star power is by design. There are only a handful of other stars that could play harmoniously alongside Melo. Obviously Amare is a shell of who he use to be, but when he’s healthy he’s a good post scorer who is willing to play off-ball. Chandler may not be Dwight Howard but I dont think ppl realize the defensive acumen he brings to the table. The only reason Melo got the the WCF in Denver is because he had Chauncey Billups to play the alpha role.

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      • #826832
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        I’m not saying that he’s not clutch. I’m saying he halts ball movement and takes contested jumpers instead of facilitating a flow on offense. He’s an incredible talent who also happens to be the antithesis of Popovich ball which has proven to be extremeley effective if everyone buys into it.

        I’m also tired of people saying that Melo’s supporting cast is poor. What critics don’t understand is that lack of star power is by design. There are only a handful of other stars that could play harmoniously alongside Melo. Obviously Amare is a shell of who he use to be, but when he’s healthy he’s a good post scorer who is willing to play off-ball. Chandler may not be Dwight Howard but I dont think ppl realize the defensive acumen he brings to the table. The only reason Melo got the the WCF in Denver is because he had Chauncey Billups to play the alpha role.

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        • #826951
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          “Obviously Amare is a shell of who he use to be, but when he’s healthy he’s a good post scorer who is willing to play off-ball”

          Amare knees are shot, he’s never going to be healthy. Chandler lost 15lbs and wasnt himself during the playoffs, JR Smith jumper went south.

          I agree with the Ball stopper part. I’d prefer if he was a post up, shoot off the screen in the midrange, catch and shoot, or drive to the hoop. I hate when he starts dribbling from 3pt line. Everything should be college 3 or elbow and in.

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        • #826848
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          “Obviously Amare is a shell of who he use to be, but when he’s healthy he’s a good post scorer who is willing to play off-ball”

          Amare knees are shot, he’s never going to be healthy. Chandler lost 15lbs and wasnt himself during the playoffs, JR Smith jumper went south.

          I agree with the Ball stopper part. I’d prefer if he was a post up, shoot off the screen in the midrange, catch and shoot, or drive to the hoop. I hate when he starts dribbling from 3pt line. Everything should be college 3 or elbow and in.

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          • #826975
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            My point was that when Amare was on the floor for the 2012 and some of the 2013 season, chemistry was a major problem. I just have a hard time thinking of another star player that Melo could gel with. Maybe Chris Paul, but that would take away a lot of shots from Melo since he’s use to having the offense run through him.

            I like to compare Melo to Dirk. Melo is the better player since he can score in more ways than Nowitzki. But fitting Dirk into an offense system is not hard. He’s a willing passer, moves around the court and is fine having someone else initiate the offense. So in at the end of the day, I’d rather have Dirk on my team than Melo.

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          • #826872
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            My point was that when Amare was on the floor for the 2012 and some of the 2013 season, chemistry was a major problem. I just have a hard time thinking of another star player that Melo could gel with. Maybe Chris Paul, but that would take away a lot of shots from Melo since he’s use to having the offense run through him.

            I like to compare Melo to Dirk. Melo is the better player since he can score in more ways than Nowitzki. But fitting Dirk into an offense system is not hard. He’s a willing passer, moves around the court and is fine having someone else initiate the offense. So in at the end of the day, I’d rather have Dirk on my team than Melo.

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  • #826836
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    DolanCare
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    As a Knick fan, my vote is with Carmelo. He has a large arsenal of offense moves, but he’s one dimensional and has the reoccuring tendency to play hero ball when it’s completely unnecessary. In a league where Wade plays second fiddle, Anthony should consider doing something similar. Unless he dramatically changes his style of play I can’t see him leading a team to a championship.

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  • #826741
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    frogman
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    MarShon Brooks. This guy was a late 1st round pick and has done absolutely nothing of note in the league approaching his 25th birthday yet people on here still think he can be a 20ppg scorer. No idea what they are seeing there.

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    • #826755
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      Tioseco
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      This, I agree so much on. His hype over here in this website compared to what he’s achieved (and from my honest opinion, what he can achieve), is just absurd. I don’t see that much potential in him and I just don’t get why a lot of users on here still believe in him to be a star. I found it ridiculous when he was a rookie, and it is even more ridiculous now.

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    • #826859
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      Tioseco
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      This, I agree so much on. His hype over here in this website compared to what he’s achieved (and from my honest opinion, what he can achieve), is just absurd. I don’t see that much potential in him and I just don’t get why a lot of users on here still believe in him to be a star. I found it ridiculous when he was a rookie, and it is even more ridiculous now.

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  • #826845
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    frogman
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    MarShon Brooks. This guy was a late 1st round pick and has done absolutely nothing of note in the league approaching his 25th birthday yet people on here still think he can be a 20ppg scorer. No idea what they are seeing there.

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  • #826749
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    morestealsthanscores
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    nice thread. so, the guy whose hype I never get- Ty Lawson.

    Yep, it’s obvious the kid can play, and if he ever decided to go to a contender, he would be a perennial 6th man of the year contender, and potentially, a difference maker. His offense is great- he runs that Denver team.

    But as a starter, the kid’s defense is horrible, and given the wrong matchup, he gets lit up defensively- just like the playoffs last year. all good averaging 20-8 for the series, but if your man averages 24 & 9 then it doesn’t mean much.

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  • #826853
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    morestealsthanscores
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    nice thread. so, the guy whose hype I never get- Ty Lawson.

    Yep, it’s obvious the kid can play, and if he ever decided to go to a contender, he would be a perennial 6th man of the year contender, and potentially, a difference maker. His offense is great- he runs that Denver team.

    But as a starter, the kid’s defense is horrible, and given the wrong matchup, he gets lit up defensively- just like the playoffs last year. all good averaging 20-8 for the series, but if your man averages 24 & 9 then it doesn’t mean much.

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  • #826751
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    psam24
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    He is worshiped like a god on this website, I like Jabari Parker as the better NBA prospect. Better all around skills, and if you take athleticism out of the question between these two players, we all know who the better player is. I watch videos of him and I try to buy into the hype but nothing really draws me in. As much hype as he is give,n this dude doesn’t consistently put his stamp on games. He coasts alot in his games. He doesn’t look like a future superstar to me, but you guys place the word potential on anybody with “elite athleticism” or “freakish length” . How will he play in the half court game when his athleticism may not be in display most of the time? Does he have the killer instinct? What happens when people buckle down on his spin move, does he have a counter for that? Can he burn a team with the jumpshot? Does he even want to be a superstar?
    I honestly see him as a Rudy Gay type prospect. He won’t be a Tracy McGrady and that comparision should be thrown out the window. All because Andrew is a 6’8 athlete doesn’t mean you have to jump on the player that best resembles his physique. Andrew doesn’t match T-Mac’s passing, scoring instincts, intensity,overall skill, and the good me first personality. I’m talking about the personality he displayed when he was a Rocket and told Stephen A. Smith in an interview that if his team didn’t get out of the first round its on him. Yes he can improve but I see his ceiling as a Rudy Gay type player with better defense and that’s not bad.

    Tell me what you think about this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48wxPOACCM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Htt20pJfw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jo73ONGCbg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA6YSlWrwxg

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    • #826771
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      I think that Wiggins is going to be a very good player. He seems like he has the right attitude and by going to play for Kansas and not Kentucky says a lot to me about the young man. But his hype is ridiculous and that is what people do. They see a kid and want to make him the next big thing. But I like psam24, really like Parker. He is going to kill it next year. This kid can do it all in a variety of ways. He might not be the number one pick in next years draft but trust the team that takes him will not be disappointed at all.

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    • #826875
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      I think that Wiggins is going to be a very good player. He seems like he has the right attitude and by going to play for Kansas and not Kentucky says a lot to me about the young man. But his hype is ridiculous and that is what people do. They see a kid and want to make him the next big thing. But I like psam24, really like Parker. He is going to kill it next year. This kid can do it all in a variety of ways. He might not be the number one pick in next years draft but trust the team that takes him will not be disappointed at all.

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  • #826855
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    psam24
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    He is worshiped like a god on this website, I like Jabari Parker as the better NBA prospect. Better all around skills, and if you take athleticism out of the question between these two players, we all know who the better player is. I watch videos of him and I try to buy into the hype but nothing really draws me in. As much hype as he is give,n this dude doesn’t consistently put his stamp on games. He coasts alot in his games. He doesn’t look like a future superstar to me, but you guys place the word potential on anybody with “elite athleticism” or “freakish length” . How will he play in the half court game when his athleticism may not be in display most of the time? Does he have the killer instinct? What happens when people buckle down on his spin move, does he have a counter for that? Can he burn a team with the jumpshot? Does he even want to be a superstar?
    I honestly see him as a Rudy Gay type prospect. He won’t be a Tracy McGrady and that comparision should be thrown out the window. All because Andrew is a 6’8 athlete doesn’t mean you have to jump on the player that best resembles his physique. Andrew doesn’t match T-Mac’s passing, scoring instincts, intensity,overall skill, and the good me first personality. I’m talking about the personality he displayed when he was a Rocket and told Stephen A. Smith in an interview that if his team didn’t get out of the first round its on him. Yes he can improve but I see his ceiling as a Rudy Gay type player with better defense and that’s not bad.

    Tell me what you think about this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48wxPOACCM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Htt20pJfw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jo73ONGCbg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA6YSlWrwxg

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  • #826757
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    Grandmama
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    Over-hyped players on this site? Tyreke Evans, Perry Jones, Lance Stephenson

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  • #826861
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    Grandmama
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    Over-hyped players on this site? Tyreke Evans, Perry Jones, Lance Stephenson

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  • #826759
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Anthony Randolph
    Brandan Wright
    Perry Jones

    And any other long and lanky forward that got by simply on potential.

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    • #826765
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      Tioseco
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      Correct me if I’m wrong but, you seem to be talking in hindsight. You said it yourself: the guys you listed had potential, and that means you saw it too. This means that people saw potential in them and that’s why they were hyped. Or did you really not see the reason for people giving them so much hype during the times that they were receiving so much attention?

      Take my example. I didn’t/don’t see that much potential in Gordon Hayward, which is why I don’t get all the hype a lot of users here are giving him.

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      • #826903
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        morestealsthanscores
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        yeah, but randolph and wright got like 3 different contracts all off their ‘potential’. If you haven’t shown anything in a couple locations, why are you still getting paid?!?

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      • #826799
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        morestealsthanscores
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        yeah, but randolph and wright got like 3 different contracts all off their ‘potential’. If you haven’t shown anything in a couple locations, why are you still getting paid?!?

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      • #826979
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        Tongue-Out-Like-23
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        Nope, I never get hyped on unskilled, long and lanky forwards.

        Maybe I phrased my post incorrectly. What I meant to say was: I don’t understand why people get so hyped on unskilled, long, and lanky forwards. Guys like Randolph, Wright, and Jones. And my post is not entirely hindsight, there are still people out there, (GMs included) that are still hyped on these players. That’s the reason they continue to get contracts even after terrible seasons.

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      • #826876
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        Nope, I never get hyped on unskilled, long and lanky forwards.

        Maybe I phrased my post incorrectly. What I meant to say was: I don’t understand why people get so hyped on unskilled, long, and lanky forwards. Guys like Randolph, Wright, and Jones. And my post is not entirely hindsight, there are still people out there, (GMs included) that are still hyped on these players. That’s the reason they continue to get contracts even after terrible seasons.

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        • #826936
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          Brandon Wright has actually become a good post defender. Also everyone is high on the per stat these days and he has a 21.03. I’m not to high on that but…

          for a 3rd or 4th big which he is, he’s fine. 8 points, 4 rebounds, and 1 block in 18 minutes and he can finish, shooting 60% on his limited touches. He’s not what he was supposed to be but he’s an NBA player.

          Anthony Randolph is an enigma, if you give him 35 minutes, he’s going to give you a double-double and some highlights, someone needs to find where the disconnect is in practice with him. Why can he get on the floor, because when he does, he produces. His career per 36 is 17.2 points, 2.2 blocks, 1.3 steals, 1.7 assists, and 10.4 rebounds. While shooting 74% from the line and 46% from the field. When he plays he produces, maybe Brian Shaw can help him, he seems really good with player development. But there is a disconnect between the practice floor and the game floor. Why can’t he get on the floor?

          Perry Jones don’t you think it’s kind of early?

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        • #827039
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          Pistol Pete. The Pelican
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          Brandon Wright has actually become a good post defender. Also everyone is high on the per stat these days and he has a 21.03. I’m not to high on that but…

          for a 3rd or 4th big which he is, he’s fine. 8 points, 4 rebounds, and 1 block in 18 minutes and he can finish, shooting 60% on his limited touches. He’s not what he was supposed to be but he’s an NBA player.

          Anthony Randolph is an enigma, if you give him 35 minutes, he’s going to give you a double-double and some highlights, someone needs to find where the disconnect is in practice with him. Why can he get on the floor, because when he does, he produces. His career per 36 is 17.2 points, 2.2 blocks, 1.3 steals, 1.7 assists, and 10.4 rebounds. While shooting 74% from the line and 46% from the field. When he plays he produces, maybe Brian Shaw can help him, he seems really good with player development. But there is a disconnect between the practice floor and the game floor. Why can’t he get on the floor?

          Perry Jones don’t you think it’s kind of early?

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    • #826869
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      Tioseco
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      Correct me if I’m wrong but, you seem to be talking in hindsight. You said it yourself: the guys you listed had potential, and that means you saw it too. This means that people saw potential in them and that’s why they were hyped. Or did you really not see the reason for people giving them so much hype during the times that they were receiving so much attention?

      Take my example. I didn’t/don’t see that much potential in Gordon Hayward, which is why I don’t get all the hype a lot of users here are giving him.

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    • #826767
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      Add Donte Greene

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      Lotto Stud
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      Add Donte Greene

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  • #826863
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Anthony Randolph
    Brandan Wright
    Perry Jones

    And any other long and lanky forward that got by simply on potential.

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  • #826769
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    I can’t understand why Aran had Perry Jones, then Cody Zeller listed @ no1 for most of the season when it was clear to everyone else they were not worthy….

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    • #826961
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      ItsVictorOladipo
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      I can’t understand why Aran had Perry Jones, then Cody Zeller listed @ no1 for most of the season when it was clear to everyone else they were not worthy….
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      Why? Every other site had Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore and Shabazz Muhammad going #1 for most of the year and Zeller went before all three of them…

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    • #826858
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      ItsVictorOladipo
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      I can’t understand why Aran had Perry Jones, then Cody Zeller listed @ no1 for most of the season when it was clear to everyone else they were not worthy….
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      Why? Every other site had Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore and Shabazz Muhammad going #1 for most of the year and Zeller went before all three of them…

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  • #826873
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    I can’t understand why Aran had Perry Jones, then Cody Zeller listed @ no1 for most of the season when it was clear to everyone else they were not worthy….

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  • #826881
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    dolla130
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    Shabazz Muhammad, was the most overhyped player I’ve ever seen on this site being called a franchise player, being compared to Kobe Bryant, it being disrespectful to compare him to James harden, because oh yeah he was so elite in a bad highschool class, shit you couldn’t compare him to nobody lesser then a superstar, ppl would damn near jump through the CPU screen for this dude, calling him an elite athlete Haa he’s an avg athlete at best, a player who is always questioned about his athletic ability to me is a better athlete then this kid (Jabari Parker)

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    dolla130
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    Shabazz Muhammad, was the most overhyped player I’ve ever seen on this site being called a franchise player, being compared to Kobe Bryant, it being disrespectful to compare him to James harden, because oh yeah he was so elite in a bad highschool class, shit you couldn’t compare him to nobody lesser then a superstar, ppl would damn near jump through the CPU screen for this dude, calling him an elite athlete Haa he’s an avg athlete at best, a player who is always questioned about his athletic ability to me is a better athlete then this kid (Jabari Parker)

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  • #826775
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    Josh Selby has quite the following for a second rounder who has been a bench warmer for his entire NBA career, I get that he was good in high school but in the NBA he has a shoot first mentality and is small combo guard. If he was so useful, the Grizzlies would’ve kept him and the Cavaliers wouldn’t have waived him. Speaking of his move to the Cavs, a lot of people were saying that the deal was his big break.

    On the same token, there are some people that don’t get Bismack Biyombo which is understandable. Jimmer Fredette was the best thing since sliced bread at one point, I honestly thought that it was some kind of running inside joke or something.

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  • #826879
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    Rafter
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    Josh Selby has quite the following for a second rounder who has been a bench warmer for his entire NBA career, I get that he was good in high school but in the NBA he has a shoot first mentality and is small combo guard. If he was so useful, the Grizzlies would’ve kept him and the Cavaliers wouldn’t have waived him. Speaking of his move to the Cavs, a lot of people were saying that the deal was his big break.

    On the same token, there are some people that don’t get Bismack Biyombo which is understandable. Jimmer Fredette was the best thing since sliced bread at one point, I honestly thought that it was some kind of running inside joke or something.

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  • #826895
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    jaycee24
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    Eric Bledsoe

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    jaycee24
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    Eric Bledsoe

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  • #826899
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    B-ball fan
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    I still don’t really get the Shabazz Muhammad hype. He always demands the ball, but he doesn’t really have much skill handling the ball in isos and his inability to move effectively without the ball means he will never be as valuable an offensive player as his shooting would suggest.

    I never really understood the Brandon Knight hype. He really struggled to see the floor and make even basic kick-out passes while in college. He seemed to have almost no sense of where his teammates were and, in my opinion, showed very little ability to play pg. He had, and has, one defined NBA skill, which is shooting the ball, but his shooting ability is far from elite. I think he benefitted way too much from his high school hype and the fact that people wanted to root for him.

    I also think that people have a tendency to overhype Jeff Green. He is good and an improving player, but he is really a mediocre half-court player who mainly excels in transition. He has never been especially efficient offensively and is a sub-par defender due to his lack of lateral quickness for a SF and inability to rebound as a PF. I think he gets a little too much hype simply because of his reputation as a mismatch. He is a better one-on-one player than overall team player at the moment.

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  • #826795
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    B-ball fan
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    I still don’t really get the Shabazz Muhammad hype. He always demands the ball, but he doesn’t really have much skill handling the ball in isos and his inability to move effectively without the ball means he will never be as valuable an offensive player as his shooting would suggest.

    I never really understood the Brandon Knight hype. He really struggled to see the floor and make even basic kick-out passes while in college. He seemed to have almost no sense of where his teammates were and, in my opinion, showed very little ability to play pg. He had, and has, one defined NBA skill, which is shooting the ball, but his shooting ability is far from elite. I think he benefitted way too much from his high school hype and the fact that people wanted to root for him.

    I also think that people have a tendency to overhype Jeff Green. He is good and an improving player, but he is really a mediocre half-court player who mainly excels in transition. He has never been especially efficient offensively and is a sub-par defender due to his lack of lateral quickness for a SF and inability to rebound as a PF. I think he gets a little too much hype simply because of his reputation as a mismatch. He is a better one-on-one player than overall team player at the moment.

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  • #826905
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    Blake Griffin: yes he can jump high, but he can’t make anything outside of 8ft. He’s not even the best PF in the West…don’t forget.Dirk, LaMarcus, Lee, Z-Bo, Pau ! Watch Z-Bo play against Griffin, was like watch a man post a high school kid.

    Melo: He needs 28 shots to score 28 points, I can do that!!! And he doesn’t make his team mates better with his play. But Melo can rebound very well for his size.

    Tyreke Evans: NO OUTSIDE SHOT!!! ZERO! And like Melo, he doesn’t make his team mates better with his play.

    Shabazz Muhammad: A black hole, once you pass him the ball…it’s never coming back. Will be a career back up. I see him playing 9 yrs with 6 different teams?

    Brandon Jennings: Mr. Ball-hog#1 !!! Can score a bunch of points, hit on a couple of crazy shots and the Bucks lose again!!!

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  • #826801
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    OaktownWarriors
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    Blake Griffin: yes he can jump high, but he can’t make anything outside of 8ft. He’s not even the best PF in the West…don’t forget.Dirk, LaMarcus, Lee, Z-Bo, Pau ! Watch Z-Bo play against Griffin, was like watch a man post a high school kid.

    Melo: He needs 28 shots to score 28 points, I can do that!!! And he doesn’t make his team mates better with his play. But Melo can rebound very well for his size.

    Tyreke Evans: NO OUTSIDE SHOT!!! ZERO! And like Melo, he doesn’t make his team mates better with his play.

    Shabazz Muhammad: A black hole, once you pass him the ball…it’s never coming back. Will be a career back up. I see him playing 9 yrs with 6 different teams?

    Brandon Jennings: Mr. Ball-hog#1 !!! Can score a bunch of points, hit on a couple of crazy shots and the Bucks lose again!!!

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  • #826907
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    AmiableBaller34
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    Not by this site, but just in general I feel like people overhype Blake Griffen and any other player who relies a lot on their athleticism. Anyone can go to the gym and play the smaller guys who can’t run as fast, but it’s the people who can shoot and stick you with moves that really impress. I’m talking about players like Dwight, who after all this time still doesn’t have a legitimate post game. I mean even LeBron has a more developed post game at this point. The same could be said for the likes of Josh Smith, Bledsoe, and others. While those guys are good players, I always wonder what would happen if they “lost a step”.

    We’ve seen players like Duncan, Pierce, and Kobe continue to be effective for a reason. I wonder how some of those previously mentioned guys will fair once they get to 30+.

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    AmiableBaller34
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    Not by this site, but just in general I feel like people overhype Blake Griffen and any other player who relies a lot on their athleticism. Anyone can go to the gym and play the smaller guys who can’t run as fast, but it’s the people who can shoot and stick you with moves that really impress. I’m talking about players like Dwight, who after all this time still doesn’t have a legitimate post game. I mean even LeBron has a more developed post game at this point. The same could be said for the likes of Josh Smith, Bledsoe, and others. While those guys are good players, I always wonder what would happen if they “lost a step”.

    We’ve seen players like Duncan, Pierce, and Kobe continue to be effective for a reason. I wonder how some of those previously mentioned guys will fair once they get to 30+.

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  • #826917
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    CameronCrazy11
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    I seriously don’t think Dwight Howard is as good as he is made out to be. In today’s NBA, he can be a dominant big man but when I compare him to centers from 70s, 80s, and 90s, I feel like Dwight would have trouble making an All-Star game.

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  • #826813
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    CameronCrazy11
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    I seriously don’t think Dwight Howard is as good as he is made out to be. In today’s NBA, he can be a dominant big man but when I compare him to centers from 70s, 80s, and 90s, I feel like Dwight would have trouble making an All-Star game.

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    • #826938
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      I think it’s unfair to compare Dwight to centers from all these other decades.

      There are a lot of rock solid centers in the NBA right now, its just that the perimeter players are on another level. I am not saying Dwight is better than Shaq, or Hakeem, or anything like that, but the league has gone so guard heavy because they see what breeds success in this league: A do it all guy, who can carry a team on both ends of the floor with the ball in his hands. Every team wants to get a LeBron, a Michael, a Kobe, and for those super elite guys, there are plenty of guys who have been on the next tier like Wade, Durant, and Derrick Rose.

      Scoring all the big points, making a play on the closing minutes, those are the things we want to see stars do now. There are plenty of talented big men, but the game doesn’t favor them. Its too uptempo, other teams are too skilled in other areas of the game, and teams have defensive strategies that are much easier to execute vs. big men then vs athletic wing players.

      That is why the single most valuable role player in basketball has become the 6’6-6’7 guy who’s athletic, can shoot, and can defend.

      Again, would Dwight be better than Hakeem had his career started in 1988? Probably not, but it certainly doesn’t favor him now. He has an incredible physique, and people continue to underrate the actual skill he possesses when healthy. I think Dwight is no doubt one of the 5 best players in the league if he can get back to his peak form (a huge if of course, but he was hurt last year). A lot of the great all-time centers didn’t have the athletic or defensive ability that Dwight possesses, and against today’s stars that is essential.

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    • #827041
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      I think it’s unfair to compare Dwight to centers from all these other decades.

      There are a lot of rock solid centers in the NBA right now, its just that the perimeter players are on another level. I am not saying Dwight is better than Shaq, or Hakeem, or anything like that, but the league has gone so guard heavy because they see what breeds success in this league: A do it all guy, who can carry a team on both ends of the floor with the ball in his hands. Every team wants to get a LeBron, a Michael, a Kobe, and for those super elite guys, there are plenty of guys who have been on the next tier like Wade, Durant, and Derrick Rose.

      Scoring all the big points, making a play on the closing minutes, those are the things we want to see stars do now. There are plenty of talented big men, but the game doesn’t favor them. Its too uptempo, other teams are too skilled in other areas of the game, and teams have defensive strategies that are much easier to execute vs. big men then vs athletic wing players.

      That is why the single most valuable role player in basketball has become the 6’6-6’7 guy who’s athletic, can shoot, and can defend.

      Again, would Dwight be better than Hakeem had his career started in 1988? Probably not, but it certainly doesn’t favor him now. He has an incredible physique, and people continue to underrate the actual skill he possesses when healthy. I think Dwight is no doubt one of the 5 best players in the league if he can get back to his peak form (a huge if of course, but he was hurt last year). A lot of the great all-time centers didn’t have the athletic or defensive ability that Dwight possesses, and against today’s stars that is essential.

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    • #826997
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      Yes he is no David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, and nowhere near Olajuwon, but he is the best center right now.

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    • #827099
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      jmarg25
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      Yes he is no David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, and nowhere near Olajuwon, but he is the best center right now.

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  • #826923
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    1. I used to feel this way about Kevin Durant, the argument being the same thing someone said above about Carmelo Anthony, he was a really strong scorer and rebounder for a small forward and nothing much else. This last year changed that for me but I used to feel that way, KD and Carmelo would put up the same stats but Melo would be dismantled and KD praised.

    2. Andrew Wiggins. I love the kids high school highlights but they are just that. HIGHLIGHTS. I love his spin move, but I think he could still work on his ball handling, because he’s so long, the ball sometimes gets lost on the bounce up. His shot doesn’t always look great, but he’s an amazing athlete. My point is he’s been compared to Lebron, Tracy McGrady, Scottie Pippen, Kobe, and Dominique Wilkins. So that’s 2 hall of famers, 2 surefire hall of famers, and Tracy McGrady, who was one of the greatest scorers of this generation, who also had underrated defense and facilitating skills, while being an amazing long athlete.

    He may end up being like one of those players or better, but he hasn’t even played a college game yet. Also how people hype Kansas us because of him. I for one, still think Kansas would be a contender with Joel Embiid and Wayne Selden, who could both turn out as better prospects than Wiggins in my opinion.(Especially Selden) My point is… if he turns out to be Rudy Gay or Wilson Chandler will people be disappointed. Look at previous top recruits… Austin Rivers was supposed to be a Steph Curry/Russell Westbrook mix and Shabazz Muhammad was compared to Kobe. Just Saying!

    3. Another player that I used to have this feeling about was Steve Nash, especially after those 2 MVP awards. I feel as if he was a system player who was getting tons of hype, for putting points on the board for his team, while playing absolutely no defense. When he was at Dallas he was a good point guard, he went to Phoenix and became great because of the system.

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  • #826820
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    1. I used to feel this way about Kevin Durant, the argument being the same thing someone said above about Carmelo Anthony, he was a really strong scorer and rebounder for a small forward and nothing much else. This last year changed that for me but I used to feel that way, KD and Carmelo would put up the same stats but Melo would be dismantled and KD praised.

    2. Andrew Wiggins. I love the kids high school highlights but they are just that. HIGHLIGHTS. I love his spin move, but I think he could still work on his ball handling, because he’s so long, the ball sometimes gets lost on the bounce up. His shot doesn’t always look great, but he’s an amazing athlete. My point is he’s been compared to Lebron, Tracy McGrady, Scottie Pippen, Kobe, and Dominique Wilkins. So that’s 2 hall of famers, 2 surefire hall of famers, and Tracy McGrady, who was one of the greatest scorers of this generation, who also had underrated defense and facilitating skills, while being an amazing long athlete.

    He may end up being like one of those players or better, but he hasn’t even played a college game yet. Also how people hype Kansas us because of him. I for one, still think Kansas would be a contender with Joel Embiid and Wayne Selden, who could both turn out as better prospects than Wiggins in my opinion.(Especially Selden) My point is… if he turns out to be Rudy Gay or Wilson Chandler will people be disappointed. Look at previous top recruits… Austin Rivers was supposed to be a Steph Curry/Russell Westbrook mix and Shabazz Muhammad was compared to Kobe. Just Saying!

    3. Another player that I used to have this feeling about was Steve Nash, especially after those 2 MVP awards. I feel as if he was a system player who was getting tons of hype, for putting points on the board for his team, while playing absolutely no defense. When he was at Dallas he was a good point guard, he went to Phoenix and became great because of the system.

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  • #826929
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    Wiggins- This site isn’t too bad about it but he gets compared to Lebron too often anywhere else. Wiggins might be a better leaper but he doesn’t have the strength or size that Lebron had at that age. Lebron was a freight train in the open court even when he was in high school and that hasn’t changed he is still a load in the open court. Lebron is a way better passer and has a higher bball iq. His only great strength right now is his athleticsism. I don’t think Parker gets enough hype now, way more skilled than Wiggins right now.

    Nerlens Noel- He needs to get stronger or at least add a little to his offensive game before he can get the hype he deserves.

    Blake Griffin- He needs to get a better shot. With him and Jordan in the same front court is clogs up the lane for Paul and they don’t have the proper floor spacing. He could be a way better defensive player too with his strength and athleticism but Randolph scored at will on him in the Playoffs. He is almost a liability once you get to the playoffs, sounds crazy but I swear its true. Once he starts to lose athleticism he wont be effective if he doesn’t get better on the low block or get a shot.

    Josh Smith- When hes taking outside shots it really hurts his team. Good all around player but has bad shot selection.

    Brandon Jennings- Nobody wants him as it seems he cant get a deal, he is asking way too much. No rebuilding team wants him in their future, no contender wants him because he has a bad fg % and wants way to much money.

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  • #826825
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    Wiggins- This site isn’t too bad about it but he gets compared to Lebron too often anywhere else. Wiggins might be a better leaper but he doesn’t have the strength or size that Lebron had at that age. Lebron was a freight train in the open court even when he was in high school and that hasn’t changed he is still a load in the open court. Lebron is a way better passer and has a higher bball iq. His only great strength right now is his athleticsism. I don’t think Parker gets enough hype now, way more skilled than Wiggins right now.

    Nerlens Noel- He needs to get stronger or at least add a little to his offensive game before he can get the hype he deserves.

    Blake Griffin- He needs to get a better shot. With him and Jordan in the same front court is clogs up the lane for Paul and they don’t have the proper floor spacing. He could be a way better defensive player too with his strength and athleticism but Randolph scored at will on him in the Playoffs. He is almost a liability once you get to the playoffs, sounds crazy but I swear its true. Once he starts to lose athleticism he wont be effective if he doesn’t get better on the low block or get a shot.

    Josh Smith- When hes taking outside shots it really hurts his team. Good all around player but has bad shot selection.

    Brandon Jennings- Nobody wants him as it seems he cant get a deal, he is asking way too much. No rebuilding team wants him in their future, no contender wants him because he has a bad fg % and wants way to much money.

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  • #826927
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    IndianaBasketball
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    I think Gordon Hayward is right there in the conversation with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard.

    The biggest difference has been situation/opportunity IMO.

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  • #826823
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    IndianaBasketball
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    I think Gordon Hayward is right there in the conversation with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard.

    The biggest difference has been situation/opportunity IMO.

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    • #826939
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      ProudGrandpa
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      Indiana, normally I have a lot of respect for your opinions, but this is crazy. I know you’re a Butler fan, but you’ve really got a bad case of homer-itis here. Paul George is a star and is not very far from being a superstar. Top 15 player in the league, I believe. Situation/opportunity is not going to prevent a player comparable to a another Top 15 player from being at least a full-time starter. Hayward is a much worse defender than George, he’s less athletic than George, he’s a couple inches shorter than George, and I would argue that he is a worse shooter and ball handler and finisher than George. Kawhi Leonard is not even on the same level as Paul George! Hayward could be good, he could even be thebest player on a decent team and an All-Star someday, but George is already close to superstardom because he is simply much more gifted and much more talented than Hayward. It’s not even an argument.

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    • #826835
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      Indiana, normally I have a lot of respect for your opinions, but this is crazy. I know you’re a Butler fan, but you’ve really got a bad case of homer-itis here. Paul George is a star and is not very far from being a superstar. Top 15 player in the league, I believe. Situation/opportunity is not going to prevent a player comparable to a another Top 15 player from being at least a full-time starter. Hayward is a much worse defender than George, he’s less athletic than George, he’s a couple inches shorter than George, and I would argue that he is a worse shooter and ball handler and finisher than George. Kawhi Leonard is not even on the same level as Paul George! Hayward could be good, he could even be thebest player on a decent team and an All-Star someday, but George is already close to superstardom because he is simply much more gifted and much more talented than Hayward. It’s not even an argument.

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      • #826886
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        raybeas
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        he is refering to is Granger’s injury. With a healthy Granger last year, we all don’t know that PG is anything more than a really good complimentary piece, which is what Hayward looks like at this point. Paul got all the minutes he could handle last year and showed tremendous growth from his rookie year. Without Jefferson and Milsap and with a rookie running the point, Hayward will have to step up in a similar way this year, or get left behind, at least as far as this conversation goes. Leonard shows glimpses of being able to get into that star/superstar conversation, at least as one of the top two-way players in the L, but he still has the Big Old 3 in front of him in his teams pecking order.

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      • #826989
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        he is refering to is Granger’s injury. With a healthy Granger last year, we all don’t know that PG is anything more than a really good complimentary piece, which is what Hayward looks like at this point. Paul got all the minutes he could handle last year and showed tremendous growth from his rookie year. Without Jefferson and Milsap and with a rookie running the point, Hayward will have to step up in a similar way this year, or get left behind, at least as far as this conversation goes. Leonard shows glimpses of being able to get into that star/superstar conversation, at least as one of the top two-way players in the L, but he still has the Big Old 3 in front of him in his teams pecking order.

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      • #826888
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        IndianaBasketball
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        Paul George won me over last season with his individual defense (let’s not forget that the Pacers are a GREAT defensive unit) and improvement at the offensive end (mainly being more aggressive/confident), but you’re overrating him. I think he has all of the tools to become a *legit* All-Star and *maybe* even a superstar, but he’s not there yet. IF we’re talking about potential, then I think it’s George easily.

        While I’ll give George somewhat of a pass because his responsibilities increased last season, he’s just not an efficient player yet. He shot 41.9% last season. He shoots under 40% from literally everywhere on the floor, except at the rim and on corner three-pointers. George is a better finisher than Hayward, but not by much. George shoots close to 60% around the rim, while Hayward shoots around 55%.

        We’re talking about a player in George who averaged more three-pointers (5.9) than free-throw attempts (3.5). You can’t attempt 469 three-pointers compared to only 274 free-throws (Hayward shot 246 three-pointers and 294 free-throws). George attacked the basket more during the playoffs, but that will have to continue. It’s not acceptable for a player with his physical tools to consistently settle for long jumpers.

        I also think it’s extremely arguable who’s the better shooter. I mean, neither guy is a great shooter from mid-range (both are under 40%), but there’s no doubt Hayward is a better three-point shooter (both are about equal from the corner, but Hayward better everywhere else).

        While George has improved his ball handling/advanced moves (especially in isolation situations) and passing, he’s still sloppy and turns the ball over a lot… 2.9 during the regular season and 3.9 during the playoffs. I mean, George has more advanced/flashy moves than Hayward, but I think Hayward is the better decision maker.

        I will agree that Hayward is less athletic than George, but George isn’t a freak athlete. I don’t think he’s THAT much of a better athlete than Hayward overall. Height wise, only an inch (not two) separates them… George is 6′ 9″, not 6′ 10″. The biggest and key difference is length where George has a wingspan and standing reach that’s over three inches longer.

        The two big areas that George has an advantage over Hayward is at the defensive end and on the glass. Hayward is a good defender, but George is an elite level defender.

        I think George is the better player and with more upside, but I think Hayward is in the conversation and given more opportunity, he’ll show more of his ability. Before last season, George struggled with confidence and aggressiveness, but that all changed this season when Danny Granger went down and he was given more of an opportunity. And as far as me being a homer, you can say that about my love for both players… I love both guys. Both are my top five favorite players in the league.

        I leave you with a parting gift lol

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      • #826990
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        IndianaBasketball
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        Paul George won me over last season with his individual defense (let’s not forget that the Pacers are a GREAT defensive unit) and improvement at the offensive end (mainly being more aggressive/confident), but you’re overrating him. I think he has all of the tools to become a *legit* All-Star and *maybe* even a superstar, but he’s not there yet. IF we’re talking about potential, then I think it’s George easily.

        While I’ll give George somewhat of a pass because his responsibilities increased last season, he’s just not an efficient player yet. He shot 41.9% last season. He shoots under 40% from literally everywhere on the floor, except at the rim and on corner three-pointers. George is a better finisher than Hayward, but not by much. George shoots close to 60% around the rim, while Hayward shoots around 55%.

        We’re talking about a player in George who averaged more three-pointers (5.9) than free-throw attempts (3.5). You can’t attempt 469 three-pointers compared to only 274 free-throws (Hayward shot 246 three-pointers and 294 free-throws). George attacked the basket more during the playoffs, but that will have to continue. It’s not acceptable for a player with his physical tools to consistently settle for long jumpers.

        I also think it’s extremely arguable who’s the better shooter. I mean, neither guy is a great shooter from mid-range (both are under 40%), but there’s no doubt Hayward is a better three-point shooter (both are about equal from the corner, but Hayward better everywhere else).

        While George has improved his ball handling/advanced moves (especially in isolation situations) and passing, he’s still sloppy and turns the ball over a lot… 2.9 during the regular season and 3.9 during the playoffs. I mean, George has more advanced/flashy moves than Hayward, but I think Hayward is the better decision maker.

        I will agree that Hayward is less athletic than George, but George isn’t a freak athlete. I don’t think he’s THAT much of a better athlete than Hayward overall. Height wise, only an inch (not two) separates them… George is 6′ 9″, not 6′ 10″. The biggest and key difference is length where George has a wingspan and standing reach that’s over three inches longer.

        The two big areas that George has an advantage over Hayward is at the defensive end and on the glass. Hayward is a good defender, but George is an elite level defender.

        I think George is the better player and with more upside, but I think Hayward is in the conversation and given more opportunity, he’ll show more of his ability. Before last season, George struggled with confidence and aggressiveness, but that all changed this season when Danny Granger went down and he was given more of an opportunity. And as far as me being a homer, you can say that about my love for both players… I love both guys. Both are my top five favorite players in the league.

        I leave you with a parting gift lol

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  • #826933
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    One player who I absolutely never understood what the hype was about is Tony Wroten. That kid is so clueless. Yrs later, it still looks like he’s playing AAU basketball.

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  • #826830
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    One player who I absolutely never understood what the hype was about is Tony Wroten. That kid is so clueless. Yrs later, it still looks like he’s playing AAU basketball.

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    • #827262
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      I see what you are saying but its not hard for me to see why. People always overrate and overhype the exciting athlete. They like the spectacular play. Just like a knockout puncher in boxing. Overrated. Wroten is more style than substance and one of the worst shooters I have seen to even make it to the NBA.

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    • #827375
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      I see what you are saying but its not hard for me to see why. People always overrate and overhype the exciting athlete. They like the spectacular play. Just like a knockout puncher in boxing. Overrated. Wroten is more style than substance and one of the worst shooters I have seen to even make it to the NBA.

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  • #826947
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    addi troupa
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    In a league where Lebron gets to play with Wade/Bosh? Are you serious? I think we need to hold ALL stars accountable to the same standard. When Lebron went to the finals with his running mate being the superstar Big Z (sarcasm) he was getting killed for not beating the spurs. Considering Melo has played with JR, Amare, Chandler, Iverson and never gotten to the finals tells me how overrated he is based on the Lebron rule of “team” success. I’m gonna include KD in that as much as i love him and his game, he CHOKED in the Western conference finals without Westbrook. That OKC team might have been the equivalent of the Lebron cavs but accountability by the same standard!

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    addi troupa
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    In a league where Lebron gets to play with Wade/Bosh? Are you serious? I think we need to hold ALL stars accountable to the same standard. When Lebron went to the finals with his running mate being the superstar Big Z (sarcasm) he was getting killed for not beating the spurs. Considering Melo has played with JR, Amare, Chandler, Iverson and never gotten to the finals tells me how overrated he is based on the Lebron rule of “team” success. I’m gonna include KD in that as much as i love him and his game, he CHOKED in the Western conference finals without Westbrook. That OKC team might have been the equivalent of the Lebron cavs but accountability by the same standard!

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    • #827138
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      M.Garvey
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      If you want to change the argument to is Melo better than Lebron? then obviously he isn’t.
      He played with alcoholic Allen Iverson, fragile Amare, chandler who can’t score. Dont get me started on Earl.
      Wade at least for the first two title runs was a consensus top 10 player and Bosh top 15. The question is are you serious? We now comparing wade, a man that has a scoring title and finals MVP and was in his prime to JR and broken down Amare. I don’t remember Lebron winning without wade and bosh. If you want to say Melo is not a transcendent player who’ll take you over the top then so be it. To me he hasn’t proven he’s better than Dirk was at his best. But to come on a board and just say flat out he’s overhyped, where they do that at?

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    • #827241
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      If you want to change the argument to is Melo better than Lebron? then obviously he isn’t.
      He played with alcoholic Allen Iverson, fragile Amare, chandler who can’t score. Dont get me started on Earl.
      Wade at least for the first two title runs was a consensus top 10 player and Bosh top 15. The question is are you serious? We now comparing wade, a man that has a scoring title and finals MVP and was in his prime to JR and broken down Amare. I don’t remember Lebron winning without wade and bosh. If you want to say Melo is not a transcendent player who’ll take you over the top then so be it. To me he hasn’t proven he’s better than Dirk was at his best. But to come on a board and just say flat out he’s overhyped, where they do that at?

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  • #826971
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    Sharp Shooter
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    Chris Bosh…He’s not the players he used to be.. his offense is almost non existent and his is playing out of position.

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  • #826868
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    Sharp Shooter
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    Chris Bosh…He’s not the players he used to be.. his offense is almost non existent and his is playing out of position.

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  • #826880
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    IvoL
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    i don’t know if they are over hyped i like to say nothing much they show as a player in terms of game or evolution in their game

    Dwight Howard
    Josh Smith
    Tony Wroten
    Josh Selby
    Blake Griffin
    Carmelo Anthony
    Brandon Jennings
    Tyreke Evans
    Jeremy Lin- he was overrated i think people don’t really question or overrate him anymore and can see how many flaws he have in his game

    Carlos Boozer
    Andrea Bargnani
    Joe Johnson
    Amare Stoudemire
    Monta Ellis
    OJ Mayo
    Michael Beasley
    Wesley Johnson
    Nick Young
    Rodney Stuckey

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    IvoL
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    i don’t know if they are over hyped i like to say nothing much they show as a player in terms of game or evolution in their game

    Dwight Howard
    Josh Smith
    Tony Wroten
    Josh Selby
    Blake Griffin
    Carmelo Anthony
    Brandon Jennings
    Tyreke Evans
    Jeremy Lin- he was overrated i think people don’t really question or overrate him anymore and can see how many flaws he have in his game

    Carlos Boozer
    Andrea Bargnani
    Joe Johnson
    Amare Stoudemire
    Monta Ellis
    OJ Mayo
    Michael Beasley
    Wesley Johnson
    Nick Young
    Rodney Stuckey

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  • #826892
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    Sharp Shooter
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    I forgot…Jeremy Lin..he’s was really overrated.

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    • #827197
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      phila9012
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      but he is still from harvard and shouldnt have even been rated. He is a top 25 to 35 point guard in the NBA, he isnt worth 8million a year but he is worth 4 or 5 million a year. he is a little over rated but what he did 2 februarys ago was incredible and he didnt do it to him self, I just like jeremy Lin, I got in early as in once he out played john wall in summer league I followed him. I think he will have a solid year next year now that he knows how it is as a starting NBA point guard. I think people are staring to under rate him slightly, because everyone is counting him out saying his contract was a waste of money, he over came even greater odds to get to be where he is, I think he could prove everyone wrong again, he isnt an all star but he sure is a pretty solid NBA point guard

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    • #827094
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      phila9012
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      but he is still from harvard and shouldnt have even been rated. He is a top 25 to 35 point guard in the NBA, he isnt worth 8million a year but he is worth 4 or 5 million a year. he is a little over rated but what he did 2 februarys ago was incredible and he didnt do it to him self, I just like jeremy Lin, I got in early as in once he out played john wall in summer league I followed him. I think he will have a solid year next year now that he knows how it is as a starting NBA point guard. I think people are staring to under rate him slightly, because everyone is counting him out saying his contract was a waste of money, he over came even greater odds to get to be where he is, I think he could prove everyone wrong again, he isnt an all star but he sure is a pretty solid NBA point guard

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  • #826994
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    Sharp Shooter
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    I forgot…Jeremy Lin..he’s was really overrated.

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  • #826898
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    Malik-Universal
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    tyler zeller… hes robotic and has had the same post move since college… note: notice I say “move” instead of moves.. because he has only one post move literally

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    Malik-Universal
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    tyler zeller… hes robotic and has had the same post move since college… note: notice I say “move” instead of moves.. because he has only one post move literally

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  • #826946
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    Alright, I know I give this guy a hard time and I will probably be much hated on for this but: Jeremy Lamb is the guy I don’t get.

    It’s not that I feel people believe he is a star, it’s not that I feel people think he will start in the foreseeable future. It’s this idea that OKC, who is one of the elite teams in the league, can count on this guy to have vaguely the same responsibilities that Kevin Martin had last year.

    Kevin Martin is very flawed, and the biggest revelation in discussing he and Lamb is how fricken awful that Harden trade was. But Martin is still a very good shooter, and elite free throw shooter, and a guy who’s been a 20 PPG scorer in the NBA.

    Everyone was almost relieved they lost him because Lamb would surely take his place as a scoring threat off the bench.

    This is a guy who has never played a meaningful minute of NBA basketball. Again, a team traded one of the top 10-12 players in the league for him, and still chose to ride Derek Fisher and DeAndre Liggins ahead of him in the playoffs. A 40 year old PG with no handles and horrific defense, and a 2nd round pick borderline D-Leaguer.

    The word out of OKC after the trade was made, as some were interested to see what Lamb would bring to the team was that he was “not ready”, in other words, in practices it was pretty clear that he just wasn’t good enough to play.

    He was picked in the mid lottery of a 9 player draft, after he looked pretty lost without Kemba Walker his sophomore year. He was conceding shots and possessions to Shabazz Napier (bad) and freshman Ryan Boatright. Anyone who says they were impressed with Lamb’s 2nd year at UConn wasn’t watching. He was so damn unassertive, it was literally annoying. He has a smooth shot, and could do things in flashes. But never had a take over the game instinct. The preseason top 5 team with an NBA big man finished a 9 seed and got bounced in the first round.

    So then Lamb has his super underwhelming rookie year, and follows it up with his now famed summer league performance. Which was in reality, a chuck-fest where he scored a lot of points at a wildly inefficient rate. And people who are using this as leverage to his further NBA success clearly have forgotten about Josh Selby and Michael Beasley at Summer League.

    I just don’t get what anyone sees. He is an okay shooter with really not much else. He can’t beat NBA guys off the dribble, he isn’t assertive and he really just isn’t very good. He had a good freshman year at UConn playing with the best player in the country. Since then he’s shown nothing to prove he’s anything better than a 9th-10th man.

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  • #827049
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    Ghost01
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    Alright, I know I give this guy a hard time and I will probably be much hated on for this but: Jeremy Lamb is the guy I don’t get.

    It’s not that I feel people believe he is a star, it’s not that I feel people think he will start in the foreseeable future. It’s this idea that OKC, who is one of the elite teams in the league, can count on this guy to have vaguely the same responsibilities that Kevin Martin had last year.

    Kevin Martin is very flawed, and the biggest revelation in discussing he and Lamb is how fricken awful that Harden trade was. But Martin is still a very good shooter, and elite free throw shooter, and a guy who’s been a 20 PPG scorer in the NBA.

    Everyone was almost relieved they lost him because Lamb would surely take his place as a scoring threat off the bench.

    This is a guy who has never played a meaningful minute of NBA basketball. Again, a team traded one of the top 10-12 players in the league for him, and still chose to ride Derek Fisher and DeAndre Liggins ahead of him in the playoffs. A 40 year old PG with no handles and horrific defense, and a 2nd round pick borderline D-Leaguer.

    The word out of OKC after the trade was made, as some were interested to see what Lamb would bring to the team was that he was “not ready”, in other words, in practices it was pretty clear that he just wasn’t good enough to play.

    He was picked in the mid lottery of a 9 player draft, after he looked pretty lost without Kemba Walker his sophomore year. He was conceding shots and possessions to Shabazz Napier (bad) and freshman Ryan Boatright. Anyone who says they were impressed with Lamb’s 2nd year at UConn wasn’t watching. He was so damn unassertive, it was literally annoying. He has a smooth shot, and could do things in flashes. But never had a take over the game instinct. The preseason top 5 team with an NBA big man finished a 9 seed and got bounced in the first round.

    So then Lamb has his super underwhelming rookie year, and follows it up with his now famed summer league performance. Which was in reality, a chuck-fest where he scored a lot of points at a wildly inefficient rate. And people who are using this as leverage to his further NBA success clearly have forgotten about Josh Selby and Michael Beasley at Summer League.

    I just don’t get what anyone sees. He is an okay shooter with really not much else. He can’t beat NBA guys off the dribble, he isn’t assertive and he really just isn’t very good. He had a good freshman year at UConn playing with the best player in the country. Since then he’s shown nothing to prove he’s anything better than a 9th-10th man.

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  • #826956
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    ItsVictorOladipo
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    SMH at some of the people on this thread. Saying that Carmelo and KD can score and not much else (or at least KD before this year). DeMar DeRozan can score, JR Smith can score. Carmelo and KD along with Lebron are the very BEST at scoring in the world. A team with a player of their scoring caliber is immediately better because of their ability to get buckets. Those teams are never out of a game so long as those guys are on the court. Playing good defense is important, but I think most people who watch basketball will agree that even the best defenders can’t stop the best offensive players in the league.

    People are talking about Carmelo like he’s a chucker. Yeah he can heat up and cool down like a lot of scorers but he’s not horribly inefficient. The guy averaged 28 PPG this past year with a 56% true shooting and 50.2% effective FG%. He’s not exactly Jerry Stackhouse…

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    ItsVictorOladipo
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    SMH at some of the people on this thread. Saying that Carmelo and KD can score and not much else (or at least KD before this year). DeMar DeRozan can score, JR Smith can score. Carmelo and KD along with Lebron are the very BEST at scoring in the world. A team with a player of their scoring caliber is immediately better because of their ability to get buckets. Those teams are never out of a game so long as those guys are on the court. Playing good defense is important, but I think most people who watch basketball will agree that even the best defenders can’t stop the best offensive players in the league.

    People are talking about Carmelo like he’s a chucker. Yeah he can heat up and cool down like a lot of scorers but he’s not horribly inefficient. The guy averaged 28 PPG this past year with a 56% true shooting and 50.2% effective FG%. He’s not exactly Jerry Stackhouse…

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  • #826995
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    omphalos
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    Deron Williams. When Paul went down with injury a few years back I couldn’t believe how quick people were to annoint Williams the “best pg in the NBA”. He was a beneficiary of Sloan’s system and lacks real vision or creativity in the half-court.

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    • #827001
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      jmarg25
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      You must have been watching a different player. He makes some exceptional passes. Remember when he scored 57 too? After the all star break last year, I think he played like the best point guard in the NBA.

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        omphalos
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        I don’t know, there’s just something missing that prevents him being a star player. The tools are there but he’s all tip, no iceberg, especially when it comes to the playoffs. No way his team should have lost to the Bulls in the first round.

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        omphalos
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        I don’t know, there’s just something missing that prevents him being a star player. The tools are there but he’s all tip, no iceberg, especially when it comes to the playoffs. No way his team should have lost to the Bulls in the first round.

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    • #827103
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      jmarg25
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      You must have been watching a different player. He makes some exceptional passes. Remember when he scored 57 too? After the all star break last year, I think he played like the best point guard in the NBA.

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  • #827097
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    omphalos
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    Deron Williams. When Paul went down with injury a few years back I couldn’t believe how quick people were to annoint Williams the “best pg in the NBA”. He was a beneficiary of Sloan’s system and lacks real vision or creativity in the half-court.

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  • #827201
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    SmartestBaller

    Yall talk like Favors isnt gonna be great. You will all see this year that Favors is gonna be a top 5 pf this year and could play any center toe to toe.

    -SmartestBaller

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    SmartestBaller

    Yall talk like Favors isnt gonna be great. You will all see this year that Favors is gonna be a top 5 pf this year and could play any center toe to toe.

    -SmartestBaller

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  • #827172
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    to the guy who said wiggins, THANK YOU! and to the guy who said favors, i respect your opinion but i totally disagree, i feel like favors is 1 of the most underated/underutilized players in the NBA hoping he has a breakout season! Also, I never really understood Dwade’s hype, yea he led them to a title in 06 but i mean lots of players killed it in the playoffs and then get forgotten about the next year, I feel like after that year his hype just took off. Just 1 mans opinion

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    to the guy who said wiggins, THANK YOU! and to the guy who said favors, i respect your opinion but i totally disagree, i feel like favors is 1 of the most underated/underutilized players in the NBA hoping he has a breakout season! Also, I never really understood Dwade’s hype, yea he led them to a title in 06 but i mean lots of players killed it in the playoffs and then get forgotten about the next year, I feel like after that year his hype just took off. Just 1 mans opinion

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  • #827174
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    Ahkasi Clay
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    the euro ballers are mulitipliying, somebody check the ISP’s

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    Ahkasi Clay
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    the euro ballers are mulitipliying, somebody check the ISP’s

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  • #827182
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    Prio

    to develop their young core; in 2 years they’ll be a VERY GOOD team

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    to develop their young core; in 2 years they’ll be a VERY GOOD team

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  • #827204
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    King Calucha
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    Such a controversial thread. Ironically, these are some players that I like, but I’m trying to be objective:

    – Favors. I really hope the Favors/Kanter duo becomes really good. Favors is a solid young big man and he will be a solid starter in the league. I just don’t think he’ll ever be elite.

    – MKG. Maybe overrated is not the exact word, since he has so many years ahead. He was just picked a bit too high. Gotta love his hustle and work ethic, though.

    – Bledsoe. I think he’ll be solid, but he’s still a couple of years from producing as a top 15-20 PG in the league (which is his ceiling IMO). He’ll get good numbers this season because he’ll be on the worst team in the league.

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    King Calucha
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    Such a controversial thread. Ironically, these are some players that I like, but I’m trying to be objective:

    – Favors. I really hope the Favors/Kanter duo becomes really good. Favors is a solid young big man and he will be a solid starter in the league. I just don’t think he’ll ever be elite.

    – MKG. Maybe overrated is not the exact word, since he has so many years ahead. He was just picked a bit too high. Gotta love his hustle and work ethic, though.

    – Bledsoe. I think he’ll be solid, but he’s still a couple of years from producing as a top 15-20 PG in the league (which is his ceiling IMO). He’ll get good numbers this season because he’ll be on the worst team in the league.

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    morestealsthanscores
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    …just noticed my original comment got -15 …without a single comment or reason from anyone as to why. Shame that it’s that easy to neg- without a single person explaining them!!!

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    morestealsthanscores
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    …just noticed my original comment got -15 …without a single comment or reason from anyone as to why. Shame that it’s that easy to neg- without a single person explaining them!!!

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