LeBron was a GREAT Wide Receiver in High School and lots of people thought he could play in the NFL.
I don't believe basketball players are more agile or more explosive vertically, NFL always produces higher verts the NBA, even average NFL athletes get mid 30 verts (not most lineman, skill positions), and RB's and CB's are the most agile positions in sports imo.
DeJuan Blair at tight end? He'd be the slowest tight end in NFL history.
Lebron at WR and Nate Robinson at RB or CB would be the obvious choices. They were both stars playing high school football.
Obviously Iverson is too old to play now, but 10 years ago he could have played. He also was a stud at football in high school.
im not knocking football. obviously football players will be better at football and basketball players will be better at basketball. its really just a fun topic to talk about, its not if nate robinson decided today to be a football player he would be the best. to me it is what if a basketball player decided in hs to try to be a pro football player, how good could he have been with the physical tools we know he has.
and how come we dont hear about football players playing in the nba. brandon marshall said if there is a lockout next year he WILL play for the miami heat. he said he will, not try but will play in the league. and he is a big receiver but at like 6 foot 5 230 he would be an average sized shooting guard(height wise). and he is a great athlete but does anyone really think he could play in the nba next year? i dont but if he decided to be a basketball player in hs and worked on his game through college he could have been a nba player.
so im not saying any nba player could walk into the nfl tomorrow and play but only there are nba players that have the physical gifts necessary to maybe be a nfl player.
Yup Yup, I think your underestimating the strength of some NBA players. On a weight to strength ratio, are yuo saying a 235 pound Ben Wallace isnt as strong as NFL players of the same weight? The height/leverage difference and teh nature of the games are what seperates the athleticism. Football players train to use 100% of their explosive muscles for 5-7 second intervals. Basketball players are trained to go ~85% for minutes at a time.
But if we're talking individual athletes versus individual athletes, I think the success of Antonio Gates and rookie TE Jimmy Graham shows athletes can crossover if they are talented enough.
The 169 pound Rondo for example would get blown up on the regular. I think its the marginal NBA players, college standouts that would succeed in the NFL. Paul Harris for Syracuse, Sherron Collins for Kansas, players who are to short/slow for their position but have advanced strength.
My Player in the NBA who could crossover would be JR Smith. He was a top WR prospect before being a first round pick out of NJ.
I can also see Ron Ron bulking back up to 275, 280 for a DE.
He're my all NBA fooball team.
QB- Charlie Ward/Allen Iverson/Lebron James(to see over the linemen)
RB1- Eric Gordon/Kyle Lowry
RB2- Nate Robinson/Will Bynum
LT- Charles Oakley
TE2- Karl Malone
WR1-Lebron James/Joe Alexander
WR2- JR Smith/ David Noel
DT1- Shaq O'Neal
DE1- Ron Artest/ Trevor Booker
DE2- JP Batista/Reggie Evans
(These players would have to put on serious weight to play LB but...)
ROLB- Joey Graham
MLB- Ben Wallace
LOLB- Maurice Evans
SS- Matt Barnes/Russell Carter
FS-Jason Kidd/Gary Payton
CB1- Russell Westbrook
CB2- Toney Douglas..
Just my opinion tho...
I think your average 225 lb NFL player is stronger than your average 225 lb NBA player because of training routines and the duration of time they have been on such routines. NFL football players are the athletes benching 400-500 lbs, squatting 500-700 lbs and deadlifting and power cleaning absurd amounts of weight. It's not that a guy like Ben Wallace doesn't have the kind of athletic potential, its just a 235 lb NFL linebacker has a 10 year head start on training for pure strength. An NBA player isn't lifting like that because when you put on too much bulk you lose some leaping ability, and the strength needs of the two sports are very different. There are exceptions, Blake Griffin, Shaq, Wallace and other NBA players are extremely strong, but there is a reason the NFL's combine bench is 40 lbs heavier than the NBA's and theres no such thing as an NFL player only doing it 2 or 3 times like the NBA. There is a training mentality that NFL players have, that NBA guys don't. Throw Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook on an NFL routine and they'd get huge, but it'd take a while for an NBA guy to catch up to an NFL player of the same size in strength, just because of the way they train.
JoeWolf said it perfect, football players lift much more often than basketball players. And no, Ben Wallace is not as strong as most 235 pound NFL players.
Agreed, yupyup, I took a gander at the NFL combine and you had 180-200 lb defensive backs repping 225lbs 20-25 times. If you think that a ripped NBA player is as strong as an NFL player of the same weight or if Lebron or Ron Artest is as strong as an NFL tight end, just take a look at the guys who are 22 and 23 years old and entering the league doing 225 lbs. 20-30 times at body weights ranging from 225-260 lbs.
While still getting a vertical near or above 40 inches for those DB's I am guessing.
Yeah, I know there are more NFL players that do the combine compared to the NBA, but there were at least 10-15 players that I saw that had verts over 40''. I noticed Eric Berry had 43''
Calvin Johnson a few years ago reportedly had 47-48 inch. The measurement thing they had only went up to 45 inches and he went a few inches above it. In the combine he got a 43 I believe.
I hear basketball players converting to football players and being able to play in the NFL you don't see that the other way around
You hear in forums like this and guys' tweeting and stuff like that, but how many basketball players have actually done it?
You actually have NFL players that played college basketball, Julius Peppers and UNC, Tony Gonzalez at Cal, and Antonion Gates for Kent State.
It's not like I'm saying NBA players arent' good athletes, but they are more specialized. You need to be tall, long, and agile to play in the NBA or be so skilled you can get away without meeting those specifactions.
In the NFL you have to be strong, fast, and aggressive or be so skilled you can get away without meeting those specifications.
I just don't see like 10-15 guys in the NBA I think could do it, maybe 4 or 5 tops.
Sports and athletic training is SO specialized these days you can get a guy who's 7' tall with a 7'5'' wingspan and a 40'' vert playing basketball and training like a basketball player his whole life and a guy who's been playing football since he was in pee wees who's 6' 230 lbs and runs a 4.3 40 meter dash and can bench press 400 lbs. I think it's kind of insulting to the skill level of NBA and NFL players to think anyone who kind of meets the similar physical qualifications can play with the elite of another sport. I'm stronger than most NBA players who do bench in the combine, but there is NO WAY i could hold my own battling for a rebound against someone of that caliber. I think your average NFL player laughs when people talk about Dwight Howard playing D-End just like your average NBA player probably laughs when someone talks about Mike Vick being an NBA point guard.
There's only on player in the league who possible matches your profile and thats Patrick Willis. The fact of the matter is, we have no idea how good NBA players would be in the NFL because we dont know how good their natural skills are. Also, the average height of an NFL player would be point guard/ shooting guard height, so the interesection of players who could legitimately played both is smaller than say, football and baseball.
I'll just say, Charlie Ward could definitely have played in the NFL, Nate, JR and Bron maybe.
Ward was undersized and skinny for a QB, and was only projected to be a mid rounder anyway.
But he was accurate and very agile, and avoided big hits well. If Pennington played, Ward could have. And undersized? He's taller than Brees. If you can pass, which he could, he could play.
It was a hypothetical ideal. My point was that players are trained and specialized (in most cases) since they first start to excel at a sport ( in most cases a very young age). It would be an improbable transition for someone to cross sports like that. IMO, it would be a 2 or 3 year transition of training styles and learning the ins and outs of playing at the highest level of a professional sport from elite trainers and insiders for it to even be possible.
Could a few guys either way do it? probably, but not during an off-season due to a lockout or a next challenge in their mid 30's after they retire from their respective sport.
I'll just say, Charlie Ward won the Heisman trophy, of course he could have played at some level in the NFL, but I don't think he would have had as good of a career as he didn in the NBA.
Brees is an exception, you should know that. Ward's accuracy doesn't compare. Also Pennington and Brees went 1st and 2nd round respectively.
i agree with joewolf and yup yup. the way i look at the question is, what nba players could have played in the nfl, if they chose football instead of basketball during their senior year in hs? in that case i think there are a number of nba players that have the speed, strength, and other physical tools to have played in the nfl. of course these guys made the right choice by playing their respective sports and no nba player could transition to the nfl overnight. it would take a few years and even then we just dont know.
i think its just a fun what if topic. i try not to take topics like this to literally. but nfl combine numbers are disgusting. i dont know how some guys are so big and strong but can jimp and move. its ridiculous. i mean there are 265lbs linebackers with like 38 inch verticals and bench 225 like 30 times. has anyone here actually benched 225? its crazy heavy.
What everyone has falied to mention is that combine numbers mean 0 and all you guys are using it as if it is the ultimate factor. It is nothing.
I think its an accurate gauge when comparing the strength of NBA athletes to NFL athletes. My main arguement was the skill level and experience training and playing a sport at the highest level, but if your major lifts are 100 lbs less than everyone else playing that sport it's going to play a part.
I agree. Pound for pound, average NFL football players are much stronger than the average NBA basketball player. I went to high school with some guys on the football team who were 185-200 pounds, and their bench max was close to 350-400 pounds, and NBA players focus more on lean muscle than the kind of muscle mass that NFL players put on. There are very few who could make that jump, and the ones who actually could would play far from the line of scrimmage... It goes both ways though. Most football players are too short and bulky to play basketball. Most of the guys who have basketball athleticism are WRs... Regardless of athleticism and the physical ability to play either sport, it still takes ball skills and other type of skills that are just as important or more important than athletic ability. Now, if we are imagining that if a certain guy trained his whole life to play the opposite sport, then we would be having a different debate..
I find this topic fascinating, because I believe world class athleticism would translate regardless of the discipline one chooses. Its just hard to compete with athletes thats spend 100% of their effort for the vast majority of their lives honing their abilities in one sport. But when you see people like Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, and Jim Brown, it's hard not to see some world class, one sport athletes play other sports... Say Steve Nash- football (soccer..)?? I also think its a testiment to the difficulty and specialization of being a NBA player, given the lack of players that play basketball and something else at a truly high level.
Me personally thinks that, if your a pro basketball player, why would you want to play any other sport?