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- Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 10:50am #36661
surveParticipantI like the guy. I like exciting players, freaks of nature, wildly athletic hoopers. I like guys with the talent intrigue and blend of size and ball skills.
However, my question about Perry Jones is….do you take a guy like him just off talent and potential alone? I have watched a lot of basketball over the years and some intangibles you just have to stand up and take notice to.
The fact is, he is NOT a big time player on the college level. Now granted, I didnt see the K-State game but I heard that Baylor got shut out in the final 2 minutes or something. I mean if you read the recap on this game, this guy’s name didnt even show up.
In some of Baylor’s biggest games this guy didnt show up. I really hate writing this, but the truth is, you cant ignore Baylor being swept by Mizzou and Kansas and splitting with K-State. That doesnt cut it for a program with the talent they have. The reason why they are losing their biggest games partly is because PJIII is just not a big time player on the collegiate level.
He is a standout player but not BIG TIME.
My definition of BIG TIME. A player who can lead a team or who can critically impact a games outcome. Also a player who can make big plays when absolutely needed. A player you can count on if you cant count on ANYONE else.
As bad as Harrison Barnes looked along side Larry Drew, he struggled in a lot of games but when it was on the line, he came up with big shot after big shot. He’s done it this year.
On the collegiate level, Thomas Robinson, Jared Sullinger, Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and a few others, are all BIG TIME players.
My main question is, how far does PJIII fall in the draft, with evidence that he is not a stone cold killer? I mean, there is no way a team has a big time player and goes the final 2 minutes or so of a game and not be able to hit a shot or get to the line or something. In Jones’ case, this is not just an issue of one bad game.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:18am #639216
FastAndFuriousParticipantHe’s not going to fall out of the lottery, but he might be on the border of it like 13th or dead last lottery pick at 14th.
Just because it’s not 14 players with more talent than him, it’s probably not even 5 players as "TALENTED" as him, but he’s not producing, so I say he goes 10-14 now.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:22am #639219
mikeyvthedonParticipantI still think he goes in the 10-14 range, at the lowest. Still think he is a likely top 10 pick. He is so athletic and talented, I think you just kind of hope he can put it together. He is definitely playing out of position in college. I honestly think that Baylor keeps recruiting these tooth picks in the front court. Acy and Jefferson have decent size, but they are not centers. Perry and Anthony Jones (no relation) are pretty easy for most teams to push around.
You worry about how Perry will adjust to the physical play of NBA 4 men (because he is not a 3), but he definitely brings something different to the table. I question his listed weight of 235 (if he is that, he still needs to get much stronger), but he is bigger than Anthony Randolph was coming out of college. It is hard not to see some similarities, they both have a definite skill set that you want to see a lot more activity from.
My big problem is, there must be a reason you do not see more guys like Perry Jones do well. He has an incredibly difficult time establishing post position and I think that he will get thrown around by a number of seasoned vets in the beginning. You just have to hope that he maybe works on his body and his athleticism will be enough to make him a good scorer. Nonetheless, it is hard to envision him carrying a team or being more than a solid starter. He got rocked by Kevin Jones and Thomas Robinson, plus he did not look great against Arnett Moultrie either. Still, I like where Aran has him right now(I like Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Thomas Robinson, Jared Sullinger, MKG, Bradley Beal more) might even move him ahead of Moultrie who I am still not sure about either.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:35am #639223
PulseGlazerParticipantHe’s Tim Thomas.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:48am #639227
tuck243ParticipantRudy Gay in college… Paul George had a similar demeanor as well… I don’t think it matters what number in the draft he is taken but more so WHERE he’s going… He need an opportunity to play in order to make an impact like Gay n George did… He can’t sit on the sidelines like Anthony Randolph does because it will only stunt his growth…
Another thing is Rudy was actually offended he went so late in the draft… I remember seeing the Draft Day coverage of him and Noah, Rudy was pissed… So, I think falling in the draft actually helped him play with some desire now a boarderline all-star…
I say all that to say this, Perry will be fine as long as he goes to the right situation where he can play… If you just getting him to make him a role player, I don’t see a great outcome out of that… My prediction: he will pan out better than Thomas Robinson… Someone who is EXTREMELY overrated in my eyes…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:11pm #639236
surveParticipantLet’s not ever confuse humility and lack of arrogance for lack of confidence. Derrick Rose is the perfect example of that, just humble as hell but goes out and murders you. PJIII, I am not so sure about, I dont know if he is comfortable enough in being the # 1 guy or the Superstar.
He is playing out of position, but lots of others have as well and still made their impact felt. I agree with most of the comments here, and yes, he may just need to figure it out but I guess the biggest problem I see with him is his intensity….or lack thereof.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:51pm #639255
tuck243ParticipantAnd I’m telling you, this is something you can’t really say will make him a bust… You aren’t giving any real evidence as to why you think he won’t pan out… Who came before him that had the same lack of intensity and was a bust??? There has been a bunch of guys that have the same demeanor but performs in the league… I too watch Baylor games because I saw Ant Jones a lot in HS… Perry sometimes is too much of a teammate… He need to call for the ball more… Last year was a lack of a PG… This year is somewhat similar…
Like I said before, his future depends on what team drafts him… He needs to be drafted to a team that allows him to play thru his mistakes… The Wizards would be great for him…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 1:05pm #639257
surveParticipantI am not saying he will be a bust. If I were a GM, right now, he is not someone who I use a top 5-7 pick on because I dont think he is a game changer at the next level. Maybe Barnes, Robinson, and Anthony Davis arent either, but they have shown a little more dog in them when their teams need them. They could be considered as "too good of teammates as well, especially Barnes with his unselfishness and Davis with his ability to dominate a game. Players like them, they always seem to step up and make the big play at least, or put together those string of plays that can demoralize an opposing team.
As for the Wizards, I am not sure how they would be good for him. Why? Because he would get immediate burn? Sometimes for a player like PJIII who hasnt put the pieces together yet, that could be the worst thing. If anything, I would say he needs to play behind a good all-star or veteran…..like Melo, or Beasley even. I think he needs to be brought along at a slower pace because although he has some refined skills, on the next level, he looks like a work in progress.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 1:29pm #639262
bloodshyParticipantPJ’s disappearance in big games and overall inability to play well in the position he plays (4/5) at the college level makes him unlikely in the top 5. However, his talent is really through the roof. In the right system I think he could be a very good 3 in the league. I’ve been watching Houston lately and Parson’s success as a rookie this year makes me think PJ could be something big. He’s much more talented than Parsons overall and could be dynamic in a Parsons-like role.
Someone will take a risk on him in the lottery this year, but it will be the second half of the lotto.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 4:48pm #639340
JoeWolf1I think Jones is a 4, I think he looks like he can play the 3 in the pros is because he often is guarded by the opposing teams’ center. He looks like a stud taking Jeff Withey off the dribble 18 feet away from the basket, but what if Luol Deng or Lebron are checking him?
He’s a stretch 4 in my mind, I see a Channing Frye type player, to tell you the truth. He’s not that tough, isn’t a great defender and doesn’t block or alter many shots for a 6’11” guy, but he has some undeniable offensive skill without the desire to take over a game.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:02pm #639351
surveParticipantYeah, I kinda agree with JoeWolf, he is not that that tough…but offensively, he has tools but I dont think he has the mentality. Say if you just want to iso him everytime down the court, I dont think his man will require much help unless it is a total mismatch. I dont think he is a killer. I dont think if his man has an advantage over him, like strength, or quickness, he doesnt have the mentality to break his man down time after time after time. That doesnt mean he wont be a very good player, but elite…dont think so.
This is why I think he falls outside of the top 5 as he has previously been projected. He is top 10 likely, but I dont see him being a dominant guy in any form, but possibly a great complimentary piece. Honestly, just because you dominate college opposition doesnt mean you will have a good career, but I do believe you have to dominate in college to warrant a top 5 spot in the draft, particularly with the current crop.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:03pm #639352
surveParticipantbottom line is, if this guy was dominating and showing up in big games he would be a top 3 pick, but he is not…so thats why I think he is falling.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:09pm #639357
Future_Scout^
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:12pm #639359
Future_ScoutWhat wolf said
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:17pm #639363
JoeWolf1Agree, I just don’t buy the "NBA is a different type of game and Jones will be a star because of it" arguement. I fully grasp the difference between NCAA and NBA basketball, but I think it’s kind of a cop out for how poor Perry has played against NBA draft caliber competition this season.
I don’t think he’ll suck, but I see a future role player. Of all the NBA players who went to college, only Russell Westbrook wasn’t a big time college scorer. I don’t see how Perry Jones can get out played in college and waltz into the NBA and drop 20 a night.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:32pm #639400
Dale WorthingtonParticipantThe guy’s motor and will to succeed rival those of Gerald Green.
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