[Zeke313Participant]

Looking forward to seeing the Pistons young talent on display today. I’ve been hearing good things about the progression of Andre Drummonds low post game and his overall comfort level being a featured part of the offense.

I love the Tony Mitchell pick and I think he’ll be a great addition to our now loaded frontcourt. If we can get him to play hard and get some consistency on his jumpshot he’ll he put in a position to exceed expectations.

Finally, I’m gonna be keeping a close eye on KCP, his development at SG is pretty much the key to our season if he can step in and make an impact right away in the mold of a Brad Beal or Dion Waiters with maybe better efficiency, the team should he in good shape for the future.

Thoughts?

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

I want Drummond to come out and make a statement with his play. KCP will be pretty good as a 3 and D player, the wild card is tony mitchell. If Tony Mitchell is aggressive and attacking he can be really good too which might be a steal.

[Zeke313Participant]

I think KCP has a little more potential than that you can’t carry a team like he did at Georgia by just being a 3-D guy. I look forward to seeing how much his ball skills and finishing ability have improved.

[Zeke313Participant]

I think KCP has a little more potential than that you can’t carry a team like he did at Georgia by just being a 3-D guy. I look forward to seeing how much his ball skills and finishing ability have improved.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

I want Drummond to come out and make a statement with his play. KCP will be pretty good as a 3 and D player, the wild card is tony mitchell. If Tony Mitchell is aggressive and attacking he can be really good too which might be a steal.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

I don’t think they need him to be a primary scorer they have Monroe, Drummond, smith, and knight. They will be very happy for KCP to be a very good 3 and D player right now. He will get better but if he can come in and guard and hit open jumpers then the pistons should be very happy.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

I don’t think they need him to be a primary scorer they have Monroe, Drummond, smith, and knight. They will be very happy for KCP to be a very good 3 and D player right now. He will get better but if he can come in and guard and hit open jumpers then the pistons should be very happy.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with the nice rejection on the dunk attempt.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with the nice rejection on the dunk attempt.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with the SICK put back jam.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with the SICK put back jam.

[JNixonParticipant]

This is going to be a good one. A few guys on Detroit will be asked to contribute on their regular season roster, so its good to see how they fare here.

[JNixonParticipant]

This is going to be a good one. A few guys on Detroit will be asked to contribute on their regular season roster, so its good to see how they fare here.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Ohh Plumlee taking it coast to coast for a spin move dunk. Love it.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Ohh Plumlee taking it coast to coast for a spin move dunk. Love it.

[SiggyParticipant]

Drummond with the ugly, weak post up moves. A fadeaway jumphook? Really? Its like he doesn’t realize just how big and athletic he is.

[SiggyParticipant]

Drummond with the ugly, weak post up moves. A fadeaway jumphook? Really? Its like he doesn’t realize just how big and athletic he is.

[Zeke313Participant]

Lol the Dre’s hook shots are a little strong but I can live with that I like the aggressiveness.

[Zeke313Participant]

Lol the Dre’s hook shots are a little strong but I can live with that I like the aggressiveness.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Mason plumlee with the spin dunk over KCP, dunk of the summer so far.

[Sewok15Participant]

Him and his brother have the two best plays of the day. Miles had a sweet reverse jam in his game earlier….this was Mason with the spin and jam….which I know you know but the subject line says Miles.

[Sewok15Participant]

Him and his brother have the two best plays of the day. Miles had a sweet reverse jam in his game earlier….this was Mason with the spin and jam….which I know you know but the subject line says Miles.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Mason plumlee with the spin dunk over KCP, dunk of the summer so far.

[Zeke313Participant]

Tony and Andre are on a headhunt. Jumping at everything…

[Zeke313Participant]

Tony and Andre are on a headhunt. Jumping at everything…

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

KCP is looking for shot but its not falling, Kris Middleton is scoring and looking good.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

KCP is looking for shot but its not falling, Kris Middleton is scoring and looking good.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Tony Mitchell is hustling and grabbing rebounds. Dre still needs to work on his offense but looks aggressive.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Tony Mitchell is hustling and grabbing rebounds. Dre still needs to work on his offense but looks aggressive.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Det has some talent, they have some very good pieces. Didn’t love the J smooth move but they seem like if they get their players to play to potential and get a legit pg away form being a very good team.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Det has some talent, they have some very good pieces. Didn’t love the J smooth move but they seem like if they get their players to play to potential and get a legit pg away form being a very good team.

[SiggyParticipant]

I would say that Mitchell will make people pay for passing up on him, but with Josh Smith there I don’t know how much opportunity he’s going to get.

In a smaller role where he’s not the man he can be a very productive player because he’s so athletic, strong, rebounds well and has defensive versatility. He looks motivated.

Also, really impressed with Middleton’s ball-handling and cleverness. He’s got a little bit of Steve Smith in his game.

[SiggyParticipant]

I would say that Mitchell will make people pay for passing up on him, but with Josh Smith there I don’t know how much opportunity he’s going to get.

In a smaller role where he’s not the man he can be a very productive player because he’s so athletic, strong, rebounds well and has defensive versatility. He looks motivated.

Also, really impressed with Middleton’s ball-handling and cleverness. He’s got a little bit of Steve Smith in his game.

[JNixonParticipant]

Khris Middleton’s game is so smooth and easy looking man. Been that way since he was at Texas A&M

[JNixonParticipant]

Khris Middleton’s game is so smooth and easy looking man. Been that way since he was at Texas A&M

[ReactionParticipant]

KCP is ice cold.. he needs to start heatin up

[ReactionParticipant]

KCP is ice cold.. he needs to start heatin up

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I’m really not sure if Drummond should be in this game. I’m certain there aren’t more than five centers in the league that the Pistons would trade Drummond straight up for. Heck, because his salary is so cheap, I’m not sure there there is more than one.

maybe this is a nice chance for him to work on his offensive game and post moves. But seriously he is very good. He is too much for most of the guys on the court.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I’m really not sure if Drummond should be in this game. I’m certain there aren’t more than five centers in the league that the Pistons would trade Drummond straight up for. Heck, because his salary is so cheap, I’m not sure there there is more than one.

maybe this is a nice chance for him to work on his offensive game and post moves. But seriously he is very good. He is too much for most of the guys on the court.

[JNixonParticipant]

KCP is missing a bunch of open shots. He airballed his 1st shot too. But all of his shots look good though, he missing in style. lol. He has to provide more of an off the dribble game though, he doesnt look comfortable putting the ball on the floor. Thats never been his strong suit.

[JNixonParticipant]

KCP is missing a bunch of open shots. He airballed his 1st shot too. But all of his shots look good though, he missing in style. lol. He has to provide more of an off the dribble game though, he doesnt look comfortable putting the ball on the floor. Thats never been his strong suit.

[JNixonParticipant]

Annnnnnd right when I say that he attacks the rim. sigh

[JNixonParticipant]

Annnnnnd right when I say that he attacks the rim. sigh

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond must work on free throws, tony Mitchell WANTS to play and is showing out,Drummond still has to work on offensive moves too but he is still impactin game with his size and athleticism. KCP another airball. Siva lookin timid as a scorer.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond must work on free throws, tony Mitchell WANTS to play and is showing out,Drummond still has to work on offensive moves too but he is still impactin game with his size and athleticism. KCP another airball. Siva lookin timid as a scorer.

[SiggyParticipant]

I don’t know why Drummond shouldn’t be playing. He’s still extremely raw and has a ton to learn. In terms of understanding the game he’s still a baby. Who he’d be traded for is completely irrelevant. He still has absolutely no feel for the post and if it ain’t a dunk, he doesn’t exactly have the easiest time finishing.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Sure it is nice reps and a nice way to learn. And I guess better for him to play. But everyone in the league could use work. Where do you rank Drummond right now among centers? Is he in your top ten? How many guys who are top ten in their position come to summer league? Basically none, right?

[SiggyParticipant]

Haven’t thought of where I’d rank him. Would I rank him above a guy like Deandre Jordan right now? No. I don’t even consider Drummond a good basketball player atm. He’s promising and has some of the best raw tools in the entire NBA. Where he is ranked doesn’t matter. He needs a ton of work and experience.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Wait. So if you had to win a basketball game tomorrow and we are in a playground picking teams, you would take D. Jordan over Drummond?

[SiggyParticipant]

Yes I would.

[SiggyParticipant]

Yes I would.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Prediction time. Drummond will get more minutes this year, he will dominate, and you will change your mind.

At the same time, Drummond’s “per 36 minute” stats will be worse this year than they were during his first season.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Prediction time. Drummond will get more minutes this year, he will dominate, and you will change your mind.

At the same time, Drummond’s “per 36 minute” stats will be worse this year than they were during his first season.

[SiggyParticipant]

Predict all you want. Drummond still needs to be playing summer league ball.

[SiggyParticipant]

Predict all you want. Drummond still needs to be playing summer league ball.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Also agree with your assessment on his post moves/footwork (ugly at the moment) as well as his feel for the game currently. Had a number of offensive fouls, turned it over to often, still had a hard time hitting the broad side of a barn on FT’s. Nonetheless, his upside jumps off of the page. I get the negatives, Siggy, I get that you also said he has some of the best physical tools/upside in the league, or something to that extent since a comment does not let you see that and I do not feel like opening up another window right now.

My thing is, it obviously is not about "right now"with Andre Drummond. Just like DeAndre Jordan’s first 5 seasons were about the future as well. The real question is, do you take a 20 year old Andre Drummond or a 20 year old DeAndre Jordan? You absolutely take Drummond, who posted similar per minute and better efficiency numbers than Jordan did this past season. He is not yet 20 and while I know his team lost, he did things that Jordan could only wish he could do under his rookie contract.

So, future is looking bright, though there is a lot to work on. Also, if Drummond is not a "good basketball player atm", than Jordan still probably wouldn’t be considered one. I know I am harsh on DeAndre, just think that Drummond being compared to him was lazy, as he clearly has more lateral quickness, along with his ridiculous strength.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Also agree with your assessment on his post moves/footwork (ugly at the moment) as well as his feel for the game currently. Had a number of offensive fouls, turned it over to often, still had a hard time hitting the broad side of a barn on FT’s. Nonetheless, his upside jumps off of the page. I get the negatives, Siggy, I get that you also said he has some of the best physical tools/upside in the league, or something to that extent since a comment does not let you see that and I do not feel like opening up another window right now.

My thing is, it obviously is not about "right now"with Andre Drummond. Just like DeAndre Jordan’s first 5 seasons were about the future as well. The real question is, do you take a 20 year old Andre Drummond or a 20 year old DeAndre Jordan? You absolutely take Drummond, who posted similar per minute and better efficiency numbers than Jordan did this past season. He is not yet 20 and while I know his team lost, he did things that Jordan could only wish he could do under his rookie contract.

So, future is looking bright, though there is a lot to work on. Also, if Drummond is not a "good basketball player atm", than Jordan still probably wouldn’t be considered one. I know I am harsh on DeAndre, just think that Drummond being compared to him was lazy, as he clearly has more lateral quickness, along with his ridiculous strength.

[SiggyParticipant]

The question wasn’t who I’d take going forward, it was who I would take right now. I said that I think the better player b/t the two right now is Jordan and I stand by that. He has the experience, not only in terms of years and PT but also as a starter on a good team. He also has the toughness edge too. Jordan might be dumb as a box of rocks, but he does play with force and a bit of nastiness that Drummond does not. He looks to put people in the basket, crush opposing players on screens, give a hard foul, push post players off the block, bury his defender with deep post pin, etc. Not only that but, as sad as it might sound, Jordan has a better offensive game than Drummond. He actually has basic drop steps and a jump hook which Drummond does not have. Andre looks absolutely clueless when he catches the ball in the post. His footwork is awkward, his moves are awkward. His best move in the post is to throw some junk off the rim and go get it for a tip. He doesn’t have any spatial awareness and he has no touch. Subtract the dunks from his FG attempts last yr and you’ll see that despite his huge physical advantages and the fact that he hardly took any jumpers or any shots outside of the paint, his FG% would’ve been in the 40s. I mean come on now, this kid has been playing this game for how long and he’s likely been massive compared to his competition every step of the way, yet he doesn’t even have a jump hook or a basic drop step? That’s sad.

And for the record, no, I don’t think DeAndre is a good basketball player either.

[SiggyParticipant]

The question wasn’t who I’d take going forward, it was who I would take right now. I said that I think the better player b/t the two right now is Jordan and I stand by that. He has the experience, not only in terms of years and PT but also as a starter on a good team. He also has the toughness edge too. Jordan might be dumb as a box of rocks, but he does play with force and a bit of nastiness that Drummond does not. He looks to put people in the basket, crush opposing players on screens, give a hard foul, push post players off the block, bury his defender with deep post pin, etc. Not only that but, as sad as it might sound, Jordan has a better offensive game than Drummond. He actually has basic drop steps and a jump hook which Drummond does not have. Andre looks absolutely clueless when he catches the ball in the post. His footwork is awkward, his moves are awkward. His best move in the post is to throw some junk off the rim and go get it for a tip. He doesn’t have any spatial awareness and he has no touch. Subtract the dunks from his FG attempts last yr and you’ll see that despite his huge physical advantages and the fact that he hardly took any jumpers or any shots outside of the paint, his FG% would’ve been in the 40s. I mean come on now, this kid has been playing this game for how long and he’s likely been massive compared to his competition every step of the way, yet he doesn’t even have a jump hook or a basic drop step? That’s sad.

And for the record, no, I don’t think DeAndre is a good basketball player either.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Wait. So if you had to win a basketball game tomorrow and we are in a playground picking teams, you would take D. Jordan over Drummond?

[SiggyParticipant]

Haven’t thought of where I’d rank him. Would I rank him above a guy like Deandre Jordan right now? No. I don’t even consider Drummond a good basketball player atm. He’s promising and has some of the best raw tools in the entire NBA. Where he is ranked doesn’t matter. He needs a ton of work and experience.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Sure it is nice reps and a nice way to learn. And I guess better for him to play. But everyone in the league could use work. Where do you rank Drummond right now among centers? Is he in your top ten? How many guys who are top ten in their position come to summer league? Basically none, right?

[Sewok15Participant]

Exactly Andre Drummond doesn’t even turn 20 until August. He is the type of player that the summer league is built for. He can get his offensive confidence up although he has yet to do that in this game. We know he is going to be/already is a beast defensively and rebounding. He has shown that in the first half with 9 boards and 5 blocks already.

[Sewok15Participant]

Exactly Andre Drummond doesn’t even turn 20 until August. He is the type of player that the summer league is built for. He can get his offensive confidence up although he has yet to do that in this game. We know he is going to be/already is a beast defensively and rebounding. He has shown that in the first half with 9 boards and 5 blocks already.

[SiggyParticipant]

I don’t know why Drummond shouldn’t be playing. He’s still extremely raw and has a ton to learn. In terms of understanding the game he’s still a baby. Who he’d be traded for is completely irrelevant. He still has absolutely no feel for the post and if it ain’t a dunk, he doesn’t exactly have the easiest time finishing.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond tries to take the ball coast to coast, he has special talent but he has to refine it and make better moves and decisions.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond tries to take the ball coast to coast, he has special talent but he has to refine it and make better moves and decisions.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Drummond has five blocks in the first half and it was a 20 minute half and I don’t think he played every minute.

[Sewok15Participant]

He had 5 blocks in 13:35 of PT. That equals his high of last season….this shows the talent gap between the summer league and the real deal.

[Sewok15Participant]

He had 5 blocks in 13:35 of PT. That equals his high of last season….this shows the talent gap between the summer league and the real deal.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Drummond has five blocks in the first half and it was a 20 minute half and I don’t think he played every minute.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with 5 first half blocks, that is ridiculous and 9 boards too. Guy is a monster defensively!!!

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with 5 first half blocks, that is ridiculous and 9 boards too. Guy is a monster defensively!!!

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond is allowed to be more aggressive defensively because of the no foul out rule. KCP is 0-8 he must be alittle nervous he can shoot better than that. Tony Mitchell has stood out to me.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond is allowed to be more aggressive defensively because of the no foul out rule. KCP is 0-8 he must be alittle nervous he can shoot better than that. Tony Mitchell has stood out to me.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Yeah Tony Mitchell looks great. But I expected that. I’ve no doubt he can play in the league.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Yeah Tony Mitchell looks great. But I expected that. I’ve no doubt he can play in the league.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with his 6th block and gets a dish off dunk.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

Drummond with his 6th block and gets a dish off dunk.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

KCP is struggling mightily, Tyshawn Taylor is starting to get it going.

[JordanShootingJumpers23Participant]

KCP is struggling mightily, Tyshawn Taylor is starting to get it going.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I think Drummond might be done for the night. He does look tired. If so, Brooklyn wins this one. Plumlee is visibly thinking “thank god I don’t have to deal with this anymore.”

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I think Drummond might be done for the night. He does look tired. If so, Brooklyn wins this one. Plumlee is visibly thinking “thank god I don’t have to deal with this anymore.”

[RafterParticipant]

Man, when Andre Drummond catches up on the mental side of the game he’ll be a freak show.

-TK

[RafterParticipant]

Man, when Andre Drummond catches up on the mental side of the game he’ll be a freak show.

-TK

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

One thing about Drummond is that he has no touch. Something is going on when you shoot 40% from the free throw line. Basically no one shoots that bad. And it isn’t lack of practice. He’s got a problem there. So expecting him to someday just work hard and have a shot like Brook Lopez is ludicrous. However, you don’t need an even average shot to dominate from the center position.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

One thing about Drummond is that he has no touch. Something is going on when you shoot 40% from the free throw line. Basically no one shoots that bad. And it isn’t lack of practice. He’s got a problem there. So expecting him to someday just work hard and have a shot like Brook Lopez is ludicrous. However, you don’t need an even average shot to dominate from the center position.

[benjo34]

Drummond is scary. When he learn to play offense he will be no 1 center no dubt.. He is so dominant,getting blocks,rebounds..crazy

[benjo34]

Drummond is scary. When he learn to play offense he will be no 1 center no dubt.. He is so dominant,getting blocks,rebounds..crazy

[Zeke313Participant]

Lol Tony Mitchell is being unnecessarily intense jumping around grabbing the rim like an angry gorilla

[Zeke313Participant]

Lol Tony Mitchell is being unnecessarily intense jumping around grabbing the rim like an angry gorilla

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Well just 16 rebounds, 6 blocks and 5 steals for Drummond tonight. In 25 minutes of play.

Announcers keep talking about how “he will be fun to play with four five years from now when he really understands the game.” Or wait until he develops some polish on his offensive game.

Seriously guys, the future is now. He was a beast out there. He just has to get his free throw shooting up to 55%. That is it. That is the one thing holding him back.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Well just 16 rebounds, 6 blocks and 5 steals for Drummond tonight. In 25 minutes of play.

Announcers keep talking about how “he will be fun to play with four five years from now when he really understands the game.” Or wait until he develops some polish on his offensive game.

Seriously guys, the future is now. He was a beast out there. He just has to get his free throw shooting up to 55%. That is it. That is the one thing holding him back.

[Sewok15Participant]

More than just free throw shooting is holding him back. He needs to learn how to play the right way…especially offensively…he has the touch of an orangutang.

[Sewok15Participant]

More than just free throw shooting is holding him back. He needs to learn how to play the right way…especially offensively…he has the touch of an orangutang.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Drummond= man among boys out there
KCP- Adjusting to the long 3 point line, he was short on every long jumper.
Plumlee- Motor and athletic as expected.
Siva- Got in the lane when he wanted but never looked to shoot at all.
Tony Mitchell- So many physical gifts with an attitude, reminds me of Kenyon Martin in both regards.
Damion James- The guys jump shot has come a long way since Texas. Nets are in desperate need of a bench and he brings intangibles and toughness that might get him on the roster.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Drummond= man among boys out there
KCP- Adjusting to the long 3 point line, he was short on every long jumper.
Plumlee- Motor and athletic as expected.
Siva- Got in the lane when he wanted but never looked to shoot at all.
Tony Mitchell- So many physical gifts with an attitude, reminds me of Kenyon Martin in both regards.
Damion James- The guys jump shot has come a long way since Texas. Nets are in desperate need of a bench and he brings intangibles and toughness that might get him on the roster.

[TruettParticipant]

Its really poor right now.. I know everyone is saying potential, but he would not get the opportunities to take those bad shots if the pistons were a playoff team. He needs to work on his touch and be more physical… same as last year. That said, this is summer league and the pg play was really poor. Hopefully he will develop a go to post move by mid season. I would have like to seen him take plumlee off the dribble on that play where he was blocked on the jumper… i think drummond is quick enought that he could have some success with like a 1 dribble spin move… kinda like carmelo’s

[TruettParticipant]

Its really poor right now.. I know everyone is saying potential, but he would not get the opportunities to take those bad shots if the pistons were a playoff team. He needs to work on his touch and be more physical… same as last year. That said, this is summer league and the pg play was really poor. Hopefully he will develop a go to post move by mid season. I would have like to seen him take plumlee off the dribble on that play where he was blocked on the jumper… i think drummond is quick enought that he could have some success with like a 1 dribble spin move… kinda like carmelo’s

[Ny2daDeathOFmeParticipant]

i didnt see the game but im guessing the nets had nothing interesting about their team play today since its only one post about them?

[Ny2daDeathOFmeParticipant]

i didnt see the game but im guessing the nets had nothing interesting about their team play today since its only one post about them?

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