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  • #36773
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    AlexBoii
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    So I’ve ignored the forum section portion of this site for awhile, but lately I’ve had this burning desire to post my two cents on my favorite NBA team: the Philadelphia 76ers. If anything else, this is really just a rant on what I think the team should do going forward.

    Draft: Select John Jenkins in the 1st round. Stat wise, this guy may appear that he does not do anything except score, but if you watch his games or youtube him, he’s a fiery competitor. More particularly, he would fill in nicely in the event Jodie Meeks and/or Lou Williams is not with the team next season.

    Off-season (in order):

    1. Amnesty Elton Brand & decline team-option/renounce rights on Andres Nocioni. No brainer moves, really. Elton Brand proved more than ever to be expendable this season when he was out, as rookies Lavoy Allen and Nik Vucevic proved to fill the void. Nocioni barely received playing time this season.

    These moves will yield a team salary of 37.8 Mil, with 13 mil in cap holds. Basketball websites have projected to see the 2012-2013 salary cap at 60-61 mil. For argument sake, I will use 59 million as the cap number.

     

    2. Renounce rights on Craig Brackins and Tony Battie. These players will not be returning to the team next season. This adds 2.5 Mil in cap space, leaving a current total of 10.7 million in cap space.

     

    2. Sign Omer Asik to 4-year, 34.8 Mil deal & renounce rights on Spencer Hawes. (Contract Precedent: Kendrick Perkins.)

    This move is probably a complete shocker, considering the free-agent centers available and this contract to be way over generous for a guy averaging 15 min a game this season. But when you look at the free agent C situation this way, the move will at least make some sense.

    A. Can’t afford Dwight Howard. Total Pipe Dream.

    B. Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, Chris Kaman, and Hawes are all serious injury risks, and Javale McGee is a knuckle-head. And other than Hawes, all these guys are probably going to command a starting salary around 13 mil in the first year after the precedents Nene and Marc Gasol set last year. Too much for the Sixers to swallow when the team has other areas to address.

    C. Omer Asik has not missed a game in his 1 1/2 years in the NBA, and is also a fearless defender. No way Chicago would be able to re-sign him at this price, as they are already in the luxury tax threshold. Plus, Asik will not be playing 30+ min a game, therefore, leaves ample playing for Vucevic.

    D. By simultaneously renouncing Hawes’ rights, the salary cap space stands at 11.7 Mil.

     

    3. Sign OJ Mayo to 5-year, 43 Mil deal & renounce rights on Jodie Meeks. (Contract Precedent: Arron Afflalo.) I think OJ Mayo signing with the Sixers would be a wonderful addition. The Sixers lack a guy with a cold-blooded attitude to take big shots. Mayo can score all over the court, and would be the closest thing to a go-to-guy they can get in free agency. And of course, he will be back in a starting lineup. Can’t imagine the Grizzlies would be willing to commit this kind of money to a single bench player when their entire bench needs work. By renouncing Meeks’ rights, the salary cap space would stand at 4.8 Mil.

     

    4. Sign DJ White to 4-year, 18 Mil deal. (Contract Precident: Jonas Jerebko). Another surprising move, huh? Why sign a guy to be your starting PF when he can barely get off the bench on the worst team in the NBA? He did start the season as a starter when Tyrus Thomas was out and averaged 11 pts, 6 reb, and a block per game in that span. White simply got caught in a numbers game when Thomas returned. Though the team would have the cap space to re-sign their restricted free agents, given the PF crop in this upcoming draft, I predict they will end up drafting a PF, leaving no purpose to re-sign White.

     

    5. Re-sign Lavoy Allen to a 3-year, 9 Mil deal (Contract Precedent: Kosta Koufos). No more cap space, but the team still has its Bird rights on Allen, making this move possible. Similar to how Koufos signed his extension with two centers already on the roster, Allen gets re-signed with two PF’s already on the roster.

     

    6. Sign John Jenkins to rookie deal & re-sign Francisco Elson to veteran minimum. Jenkins may or may not get minutes his rookie year, and Elson gets upgraded to Battie’s on position as 3rd-string C.

     

    7. Sign Xavier Silas and/or 2nd round draft pick. Silas was a favorite on Sixers blogs to stick with the team in the preseason. Let him come on board as the 13th man to reach the roster minimum. A 2nd round pick signing would be necessary if Williams exercises his ETO.

     

    Notes: Lou Williams has an Early Termination clause in his contract. This could lead to a major domino effect should he choose to exercise it. In the event he did, the team should renounce his rights immediately. By not doing so, it leaves the team in a bind cap wise. The team could upgrade their PF signing with a guy like Kris Humphries and simply insert Jenkins into the rotation. I think this move would actually help Evan Turner as he’d have the ball in his hands more often when on the floor.

    Projected lineup:

    PG Holiday-Williams/Jenkins
    SG Mayo-Turner-Silas
    SF Iguodala-Young
    PF White/Humpries-Allen
    C Asik-Vucevic-Elson

     

    Thoughts?

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  • #640588
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     In my opinion 76ers have to do something with Evan Turner. There is no point in keeping him as 8 or 9 player of the rotation. He started the season strong and he deserved some trust in him. If Collins doesnt like Evan just trade him. This team needs a gotoguy and I think that if they want to go somwhere further than the 1 round they need this kind of player. If Gasol is available they have the pieces to go for him. I was criticised for this idea but I still think that trading Turner for this years Pistons 1rounder would benefit both teams on a long term.

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  • #640591
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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     no

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  • #640610
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    JunkYardDog
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     whatever…. it’s always sunny in philadelphia….

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  • #640635
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    Prometheus
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     Iv got a big problem with your justification for the Omar Asik deal.  First of all, prior to this years injury, Brook lopez played 82 games in 3 consecutive seasons.  Roy Hibbert has played 81 games in each of the last 2 seasons.  Hawes is the 76ers most valuable player this year, they are 12-2 with him and hes only 23…Asik is a year older.

     Read this for a better understanding of how important Hawes has been to the 76ers… http://nbadraft.net/forum/76ers-turners-decline-value-hawes

    Why does it impress you that Asik hasnt missed a game in the past 2 seasons?  He’s averaged 12.9 minutes of playing time in those seasons…Dudes reallllyyy taken a lot of wear and tear…I refuse to believe that he is any more durable than the other free agent options.  

    I do like Asik as a rebounder/defender, but do you really want to pay him upwards of 9 million for 4 years just to split time with Vucevic?   

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    • #640704
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      I suppose I should have made it more clearer in regards to the free agent centers that will be available…the big thing about them is their price range and NOT their injury risks. I would love for the Sixers to re-sign Hawes, but his lingering Achilles tendon injury in particular is something that has not yielded great results regarding comebacks. For him being a 7’fter only makes it that much more concerning. The only exception I can think of is Dominique Wilkins as far as coming back to full form. Elton Brand was never the same after his injury.

      And Asik’s contract would be start in the 7 Mil’s, then end in the 9 Mil’s. It’s almost just half of what you’d be paying for the other 
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  • #640643
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     I like Asik but I dont think he would be a great fit to this team. With the amnesty to Brand and playing Asik and as you proposed Humphries at the 4 there you have a team with no low post scoring . They are a lot better on the defensive end of the court. I can see Asik as a starting center but he should be playing with a power forward who can get some points on the board.

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  • #640647
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    apb540
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    no thanks

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  • #640676
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    1. THE DRAFT

    During the Draft process, We need to take look at Sg’s like Will Barton, Terrence Ross, Doron Lamb and John Jenkins, I agree a guard that can score and potentially replace Meeks/Williams is a very smart move if one fits that role, The biggest hole will be Pf when Brand is gone, but as the Great Pf’s will all likely be gone at this point drafting a potential bench scorer or Big Body remains a very solid option…All the aforementioned guards make some sense in the 1st round but my Dark horse picks in the 2nd are Renardo Sidney and Patric Young, post draft Pf will remain will our biggest Need…

    2. PLAYER RE-SIGNING PERIOD

    I agree 100 % We need to Amnesty Elton Brand, and renounce the Rights of Nocioni, Brackins, Hawes and Battie…That would free up the cap space to chase a Dwight Howard(Obvious pipe Dream) or land a solid C like Asik for 8 to 10 million(which I do not want to do with Vucevic already on board, I’d rather sign Robin Lopez to a 5 million dollar Darko sized deal) However we choose to spend the Money(I’m hoping wisely) we’ll be in a nice position going forward with those players off the Books…Line Up Post Draft/Player Re-signing period

    PG-Holiday-Williams

    SG-Turner-Meeks-(1st Round Pick-Lets say it’s Will Barton at 23)

    SF-Iguadola-Young

    PF-Allen-(2nd Round Pick-Lets say it’s Patric Young)

    C-Vucevic

    3.FREE AGENCY 

    Of Course everypart wants to use every penny of our potential Cap Space on Dwight Howard, as I’ve been told, that’s just not likely to happen in my lifetime…Why Howard or any other superstar wouldn’t want to sign With Philadelphia is Beyond my grasp as a sports fan… I can foldly remember Wilt Chamberlain, Dr.J, Moses Malone, Bobby Jones, Mo Cheeks, Sir Charles, Shawn Bradley, Jerry Stackhouse, Allen Iverson, Toni Kukoc, Chris Webber and Mt. Mutombo wearing Sixers uniforms at one point and wearing them proud, many of them are legends in their own right…The Sixers have made mistakes in the Draft (Hughes over Pierce, Shawn Bradley lol) and in Free Agency(Elton Brand SMH) but they have slowly turned it around…

    With all that said, I want the Sixers to Make the realistic albeit Risky move of over paying for Micheal Beasley the Restricted free agent to be, I don’t know what the numbers would look like off the top of my brain but I believe the Wolves would be inclined to let Beasley walk if we offered him a contract close to that of Iguadola’s, I believe Beasley’s true position in The NBA is At Pf, his potential there is still untapped, and even if he’s not the answer at Pf, getting him to play Sf is still an option if we trade Iggy during the season…I’d like to see what we have in Cap space after getting Beasley, of course I’d like it to be at a nice price(I’d love to get him for 7 to 9 million per but I’d go as far 12 to 14 per for Beasley, I believe he can be that good in Philadelphia) with that said the reminder would be used on a  Robin Lopez or Asik (if he’s not completly out of our price range at 5 to 7 million per)…the safe beat would be Robin Lopez in that mid level area of 5 to 7 million per…

    Line Up post Free Agency

    Holiday-Turner-Iguadola-Beasley(FA)-Vucevic-Williams-Meeks-T.Young-Allen-Lopez(Mid Level FA signing)

    Barton and P.Young(1st and 2nd Round picks)

    I am aware that team isn’t a contender on paper and will likely show that on the court but they will be young and well structured for success down the road, they also keep some flexibilty with Iggy and Williams expiring soon…We may get another trip to lottery due to Losing Brand, Hawes, Nocioni, Battie and Brackins, but adding Beasley and Robin Lopez to our core will be fruitful, we also have our draft picks and the potential to deal Iggy still at our disposal to shape a more stable front court…

    Sorry for the Text Wall, GO SIXERS… 

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  • #640688
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    M-DYMES
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    DJ White 4 yrs 18 million…WHAAAAA!DAAAAFFFFUCCCCCCCCCCK

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  • #640710
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     I like how much thought he put into this and the fact that he actually added some contract precedents instead of pulling numbers out of thin air.  I like the moves and a few of them are must haves.  Such as amnestying Brand.  If the Sixers play their cards right they will have a ton of cap room.  

    The Sixers best bet is the trade Iggy for an expiring contract and amnesty Brand.  By doing this combined with the other expiring contracts it leaves the Sixers with enough money to throw at Howard and Mayo.  Howard is a pipe dream but it’s mathetmatically possible if they get rid of Iggy and Brands contract. 

    I agree the Sixers need to make a strong push for Mayo or Eric Gordon.  Mayo would be a perfect fit with the Sixers taking over for Meeks as the starting 2guard and playing alongside Holiday and Turner which would give the Sixers a potent offensive and defensive wing set.

    The more I think about it I would absolutely love to see Holiday, Mayo, and Turner starting next year.  In the draft however I think the Sixers need to target a PF.  Henson, Moultrie, Zeller, and Terrence Jones would all be upgrades.  Some say T.Jones is more of a SF but at 6’9 240 he has enough size to play PF.  Tyler Zeller can play PF in the league.  And not everybody has Moultrie going in the lotto, if he slipped and the Sixers could move and grab him that would be a perfect catch.  

    Henson might be the best fit however because he is exactly the type of big man the Sixers need to compliment Vucevic in that he’s a shot blocker that’s mobile, and can hit the mid range shot.

    That also brings me to my next point in that I am skeptical of resigning Hawes because of his lingering injuries, the fact that it will kill are cap room moving forward, and above all else, I think Vucevic will become even better then Hawes.  

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  • #640714
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    Draft Best available Sg or Sf in the 1st round…Draft Best Available Pf/C in the 2nd round, we have 2 second round picks this years too…

    Amnesty Elton Brand(18.5 Million dollars off the Cap)

    Decline Andreas Nocioni’s Team Option(6 Million)

    Decline Craig Brackins Team Option(1.2 Million)

    Let Battie’s contract expire(Vet min.)

    Let Hawes test his value in Free Agency, if he gets an offer of more than 6 million per, then let him walk and begin the Era of Vucevic…

    In Free Agency, sign Micheal Bealey to a an offer sheet the Wolves will not match, they have Derrick Williams and a log jam at Sf/Pf and they won’t match our offer IMHO…I’d like to get Beasley on a 5yr/35 million deal, that would be an average of 7 million per. I would go as high as 5yrs/45 million, that would make it a 9 million dollar base salary…I believe we could go after a Robin Lopez or Omer Asik with the left over cap space…If we find a decent backup big in the draft somehow, then OJ Mayo or Nick Young sound like viable options with the left over cap space(5 to 8 million dollars)

    The Roster would look like this

    Holiday-Turner-Iguadola-Beasley-Vucevic-Williams-Meeks-T.Young-Allen-2 to 3 draft picks, Lopez/Asik or N.Young/OJ Mayo…

    In a perfect world, I’d package our 2 picks to move up and draft the best available Backup C and Sign Beasley and Nick Young, with the other 2nd pick we got from Memphis I’d draft Patric Young…

    Starting Line up would be

    Holiday 

    Turner

    Iguadola

    Beasley

    Vucevic

    Bench

    Lou Williams(6th man)

    N.Young(Instant Offense scorer)

    T.Young(backup Sf/Pf, his production will be key)

    P.Young(rugged rebounder/defender)

    L.Allen(see Pat Young with 1 more year of experience)

    Rookie Backup C(Tyler Zeller???)

    Insert Vet Min. signing here(hell bring back Battie)

     

    Any thoughts on my plan Sixers fans???

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  • #640746
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    I’m not agree with thoses moves :

    You draft pat’ young whereas you already have lavoy allen (who is usefull) in your roster…. and you want to make nick young play with lou’ williams (who is not what you can call a pass first pg….)

    I don’t think beasley deserves a 5 years contract (too long for an unsteady player) and a salary between 35M / 45M. You have to watch a Twolves game to see he’s not the kind of player you want as your starting pf. He and thad’ young are a little bit in the same "in-between" situation : not clearly sf but can be usefull at pf. But young is not a headcase waiting to happen as beasley SEEMS to be.

    Moreover I think this money should go to hawes (or asik) to keep that effective / winning frontcourt and let vucevic grow. Bigs are rare and expensive and effective bigs even more. So keep that money for them and make some bet in other players (mayo would be interesting to push turner). 

    In the draft the sixers should select the best player available (it could be henson, melo, t.jones)…. and in the 2nd round some solid underrated players (ryan kelly, machado) and an international bet like aldemir (he’s a beast)…

    Where is MEEKS ??? he’s a solid back up shooter….

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  • #640749
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    We all see Turner in the starting 5 in the future but I’m afraid that with Collins and Iguodala with the team it wont happen. I like the Holiday, Mayo and Turner and the only way to make it happen is trading Iguodala and Lou for a starting poward forward but again I dont think that will happen when Collins is in Philadelphia..

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  • #640819
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    Yeah the only main thing I disagree with ScareCrow all the time with is that Iggy must be moved for Turner to develop.  Even if they can play together on the floor, Iggy just steals way to many of Turners stats so I’d rather replace Iggy with somebody who has a different skill set.  All then extra assists and rebounds are going to go to Turner and his numbers will start looking more like a 2nd overall draft picks numbers would.

    Plus with Iggy, Brands, and Nocioni’s contract off the books thats over 20 mill in cap room next year which is more valuable to more then Iggy himself.

    And if Quincy Miller comes out and falls to us and we don’t grab him i’ll go ballistic, cuz this sight has him going 2nd round which I think is impossible based on his skill set but whatever.

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  • #640830
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    I would trade these guys in this order

    1. Lou Williams- I believe he’s the real reason Holiday and Turner haven’t taken off yet, he plays a bulk of the minutes late and takes far too many shots while he’s out there, if we trade him we may solve The issue with Turner

    2. Spencer Hawes-I believe that Vucevic was drafted to replace Hawes eventually, The Sixers could trade Hawes to a team in need a young Center, one they are willing to resign, Nikoli Vucevic is a solid C prospect and I believe it makes too much sense financially to trade Hawes at the deadline, we did well with him at the C spot but we did equally well with Vucevic…

    Those players equal 10 million in cap space this…maybe we could trade both to a team with a Trade Exemption or Expiring Contract and Late 1st round pick(Chris Kaman, Lakers Trade Exemption, Cavs and Jamison’s expiring contract)

    3. Andre Iguadola-I would hate to have to trade Iggy for any reason, but if we are going to do it then we need to do it right…I would like to save some Cap space and find young Pf somehow, one with some decent size would great…If we are to lose a great starting Sf with elite level perimeter defense then I’d like to get a Young Pf and Cap space…

    I believe the only available Pf’s on the market are

    Jefferson/Millsap in Utah(with Favors and Kanter in place)

    Beasley/Williams/Randolph in Minnesota(with Love in place one of the Three could go)

    Pau Gasol(The botched Paul trade created a lot of bad chemistry in LA, Lakers looking to get younger)

    Josh Smith, Tyrus Thomas, Luis Scola and Andreas Bargnani…there are also a slew of young Pf’s like the Morris twins, Pat Patterson, Jason Thompson and Andray Blatche that I believe could make some sort of Impact on a roster and save you some $$$ as well…

    I don’t really like many of the names on that list in Philadelphia

    Al Jefferson is a bit of a black hole on the inside, I wonder if he can play next to Vucevic and play good defense and winning basketball…

    Paul Millsap is undersized and a little underrated, he could save us some cap space but I worry if he’s maxed out his potential/production, I also worry he’ll take a step back in Philly…

    Micheal Beasley has all the potential you’d want out of a stretch four, and he could save us money as well but he has the maturity issues and head case label, he remains a huge risk/reward type IMO…

    Derrick Williams might be a reach IMHO, but with Beasley already on the roster they have a proven scorer at the Sf/Pf spot, Williams may be the best trade asset Kaun’s had, one I think he’ll value very highly…Williams could be an interesting Pf in Philly, but I don’t know if we have the pieces to make a deal…

    Gasol is too old at this stage for me to even consider a trade for him, I just put him out there because it’s been discussed…

    Josh Smith has had his issues in Atlanta and The Sixers had past interest in his services, I don’t know if the Hawks are yet willing to part with Josh Smith, and I’m not sure if Josh is or was ever the answer at Pf…

    Luis Scola is a solid player, but he’s also an older and expensive one too, that said I don’t want to touch that contract and I would rather have Patterson, Morris or Hill To be honest

    Tyrus Thomas is another semi interesting choice, he’s got some of the qualities we need at Pf with his athletism, rebounding and ability to finish above the rim, the down sides are his contract and past maturity concerns…I’d certainly take a look at a deal if we could offer Hawes and Nocioni for Thomas…he’s another risk vs reward type

    Andreas Bargnani has been on and off the block for years, he’s had another solid season scoring the ball but has the soft label and injury concerns as well, he’s and Vucevic may be too similar with their ability to hit the 3 ball, Hawes has been known to shoot a bit of 3’s himself, I don’t know if Bargs make any sense in Philly, we haven’t been too high on International players until we drafted Vucevic…

    The young guys I mentioned may not be ready to contribute at the level we need next year…The Morris twins are personal favorites of mine and I also like Patterson, Blatche may be the biggest risk/reward guy out that group and comes with a steep price tag at 7 million per, Jason Thompson and Jordan Hill have shown some signs that they can play Pf full time but I think they are both better suited as backups…

    Out of all those players mentioned I’ve narrowed It down to 

    1. Micheal Beasley-what can I say I love his potential to score at the Pf spot in Philadelphia, at the very least he replaces Iggy as our go to scorer late in ball games

    2. Tyrus Thomas-I am open to a Thomas/Vucevic frontcourt, and if Thomas ever learned how to knock down a mid range jumper he’d be a steal…I like his youth,athletism and rebounding potential next to Vucevic 

    3. Al Jefferson-Iggy for Big Al wouldn’t set us back as far as cap is concerned and we’d get a sample of Jefferson at Pf next to Vucevic…If it doesn’t work than we can just let him walk…

    Let me know what you think as Sixers fans  

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  • #640838
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    AlexBoii
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    Mr. 19134, I think something you need to consider about moving Iguodala, especially this off-season, is just how many teams will have cap space this off-season. Almost half the league will be under the cap, with about 6 or so teams in serious play to make big moves (Washington, Golden State, Toronto, Cleveland, Sacramento, Indiana). Having the cap space does not
    automatically yield big time free agents. (See ’10 New Jersey Nets). Iguodala is overpaid, yes, but I am weary of how they can replace him. I certainly am not confident in Turner’s ability to guard the better SF’s in the league. And TheScareCrow, I don’t know how you would aquire most of the players you listed…with the pieces the Sixers have, most of those players probably would be aquired in lateral moves, unless those teams merely agreed to move these players for trade exceptions (which I wouldn’t find very likely). And btw, there’s a reason why Miami let Beasley go for a mere 2nd round pick and Minnesota didn’t even bother to offer him a contract extension: the guy’s a cancer. He wouldn’t want to play PF for anyone on a primary basis and he certainly can’t defend the large majority of them.   

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  • #640858
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     I knew we couldn’t go through a Sixers related thread without 19134 overhyping Evan Turner’s potential…

    BUM

     

    That’s what Evan Turner is. Doug Collins doesn’t keep him on the bench because he’s a "hater", he does because Evan Turner isn’t very good.

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  • #641530
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    "Projected lineup:

    PG Holiday-Williams/Jenkins
    SG Mayo-Turner-Silas
    SF Iguodala-Young
    PF White/Humpries-Allen
    C Asik-Vucevic-Elson

     

    Thoughts?"

    Screams 26-52.

    First off, they aren’t going to amnesty Elton Brand. Teams don’t want to pay capable players to go away and play for someone else. Brand is past his prime, but he is still good enough to keep.

    Second, the Philadelphia guards and wings are not good shooters. Their big men are good shooters and pull away opposing bigs from the basket. Dumping Brand and Hawes to basically torch money in overpaying Omer Asik (who is just a big body who can’t catch passes, shoot free throws, make anything outside of a dunk, and can only guard a position and not a real big man) is insane and would ruin what they have going for them.

    Third, Vucevic would start over Asik, and that fact would keep Philadelphia from doing something stupid like overpaying Asik should Hawes leave next summer.

    Fourth, if Philadelphia was in a spot where they needed to move on from Meeks and Lou Williams, then they ought to get a better pure shooter than OJ Mayo.

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