Baylor vs Kentucky. Perry Jones has been given a dream match up in the Elite Eight. He has been given the ulitmate opportunity to prove himself and i just hope he takes it. If he turns up, plays aggresive, takes charge, dominates and really show us what he can do, against the number 1 team in the country, lottery teams in the NBA will really have another think about him. I hope takes this opportunity. I don't think he will, but just hoping for him.
i like your last sentance..i also loved Perry and he was one of the (if not the most) favorite athletes..but i just truly believe he won't..
especially even if he will play well i really believe Davis will be able to make some problems for him..
Man, I have no hope i'm sorry he's averaging 7.6 points in tournament play.
And it doesn't get any easier against Jones and Davis down low.
I agree, I don;t think he will do it. He has the opporunity to redeem himself and his medicore Sophomore season in my opinion.
He's going to have a tough battle. He could not stop Kenny Frease on defense or rebound when he was on the floor, last night, and although he's a massive guy, he's not half the player Anthony Davis or Terrance Williams are.
He might salvage an alright offensive NBA career, but I have no hope in him as a defender.
I think Perry is going to have a great game and remind us why we fell in love with him in the first place. I felt like he played great last night against Xavier considering his guards and teammates rarely get him involved. They had Perry playing almost like Tyson Chandler last night by setting screens on and off ball and just rolling to the hoop. That limit's his versatility.
Why is Pierre Jackson allowed to have free reign and do things with the ball that are sometimes just terribly bad plays but Jones has to pass it as soon as he get's it. Guards also don't look for him enough when he's rolling to the hoop.
I think Perry will take Anthony Davis back a little bit because this will be the first time in a long time that Davis will be playing against somebody the same size as him that is even more athletic. In fact I think Perry Jones is the only guy in college who you can say that about. Davis will still have a great game and Kentucky might win but Perry is gonna come to play.
Both Joe Wolf & Mr. Zip Code gave Valid points about why Perry Jones isnt living up to his potential in college..But it seems posters that dont know anything about the game dont want to hear it,becuz they gave Joe 2 Thumbs down and didnt give Mr.Zip Code anything....
Jones is playing in a system that doesnt fit his style of play,and the Baylor guards often fail to get him the ball in places where he can be successful..And Perry's cool calm demeanor wont allow him to demand it more....
(Watch the Number of Posts that will be made on Sunday if Perry Jones scores over 20 pts & 10 rbs and All of the Perry Jones Showed why he's a Top 5 Pick Comments)
^I gave Joe Wolf a negative because of the last sentence:"He might salvage an alright offensive NBA career, but I have no hope in him as a defender." He is a 6'11 3 guard, that is pretty rare in the NBA. He has unbelieveable length for a 3. That length will certainly help him defensively. Becuase of this length, he is versatile. He can play both the 3 and the 4. Again that is pretty rare. Teams need those versatile players. A lot of teams in the NBA like versatile players. He certainly is more effective at the 3, than he is at the 4. Unfortunately he plays the 4 for Baylor, which is going to limit his ability as a player. Rudeboy said it best: "Jones is playing in a system that doesn't fit his style of play, and the Baylor guards often fail to get him the ball in places where he can be successfull." That's partly Scott Drew's fault and the guards fault (ie Pierre Jackson) This certainly limits his ability to show scouts what he can do, but scouts will realize the system he is in and how that affects him. Still they have to "grade" based on experience, and PJ3 certainly hasn't given them much to work with in that regard, but that doesn't mean he won't be successfull in the NBA. If he plays on the wing then he should be successfull. I haven't given up hope for him yet, because he is not in the system that works for him yet. I want to see what he can do, when he plays the wing instead of in the post. So he can salvage his "grade scouts will give him" tonight, but I don't think you can assess whether or not he will have an alright offensive NBA career, or if he has any hope defensively if the system he is in does not fit him as a player. I am not saying he will have a successfull NBA career instead I am merely saying that that cannot be determined until he is in a system that fits him. (Unfortunately that won't happen until he gets to the NBA) (As for Mr. Zip Code I gave him a thumbs up in other words, I agree with him so I won't discuss his comment)
UnderKanter, He will play a stretch power forward in the NBA and is not a very good defender at the collegiate level. He gets 1 block per game against 6'6'' - 6'9'' post players and really doesn't raise any eyebrows defending on the perimeter.
The guy is a bad defender in college, both on the post and on the perimeter. Defense is a mentality, and just because a guy has "potential" to become a defender doesn't mean he will.
I get it, he has a big fan following. I got negged all the time for not being a Lance Stephenson or Anthony Randlolph homer and not thinking Allen Iverson can come back to the NBA out of retirement and drop 20 a night.
You can only make excuses for Perry for so long, it's ridiculous. Everyone knows the guy who would have played college, but his coach hated him. Or I would have started in high school, but my mom wouldn't let me try out for the team. Excuses suck, competitive basketball needs results. NBA GM's aren't at Baylor games ripping Jackson for not passing to Jones, they're not in the stands shaking their head at Baylor's system. They're wondering why Perry Jones looks like an above average college player, despite his natural gifts. I think it's because he's not a future NBA stud.
Can't wait to see that game. Should be a ton of scouts there. Anthony Davis, MKG, and Perry Jones are my 3 favorite prospects for the draft. Jones looked good in his last game. Davis looked pretty good, but not dominant against Indiana. MKG looked very good. Great motor and hustle with high intensity.
Anthony Davis has a nice skill set and could be a star in the NBA but I am thinking that he needs to find a good fit. Jones has potential but he needs to turn it on for the rest of the tournament. Yeah, he could be a bust but you don't pass up a 6'11 guy who can shoot and score. Jones has high bust potential but his ceiling is higher than nearly anyone in the draft. ... Davis looks like the first pick unless he totally bombs against Baylor. But, Baylor plays an up-tempo game which should suit Anthony Davis who will have plenty of chances to block shots, dunk, and go up for rebounds. I wouldn't doubt seeing Quincy Acy throwing down some dunks on Davis either though. The first pick is AD's to lose. MKG looks like a top 5 guy now and I would consider taking him at 2 (depending on fit). If PJIII shows up and plays well then I can see him going top 5.
Terrence Jones is a guy who can go between 10 and 20. He could be a great value pick there. Quincy Acy looks strong and tough and, if he gets drafted, should be a very good sleeper pick in the 2nd round. He might not be a huge stats guy in the NBA but he can block some shots, dunk, and is active inside.
And as long as the main objective in the NBA is to put the ball in the basket and as long as the NBA has a 3 point line then Brady Heslip is another guy that scouts are going to be looking at. He had two red-hot shooting games last week and he had two nice drives to start the Baylor-Xavier game. Plus he is nearly automatic from the line.
Davis looks like the top pick unless he BOMBS against baylor? please he had the top pick sewed up months ago he could go out there and play like....play like....ANDRE DRUMMOND in his last game and still be number 1 lol
I highly doubt it.
Have you watched him this year?
Most passive player in the game. Damn shame given his level of talent.
I Admire UnderTaker for explaining why he gave negatives and a thumbs up..
I'm a fan for talent and potential....but when does PRODUCING play a part?
You can't just bank on your talent and potential forever,you have to produce, and simple as this, for Perry Jones to be averaging 7.6 PPG in 3 tournament games is downright pathetic.
I mean when he plays to his potential, he's as good as anybody in the country, but how often does that happen? Every blue moon, tommorow is going to be a tough matchup for PJ3.
Will he step up to the challenege? i hope so, but if I had to bet my LAST dollar against PJ3 playing good, i'd be a rich man after tommorow afternoon, because I think Ant Davis and T Jones are going to eat him alive.
I watch perry jones play alot and he is just like lebron to me. They got all the talent is the world but they dont use it like they should, they both too friendly and passive. Somebody need to talk bout they mother or something so they can play more aggressive and get some fire under them. Coach Drew need to get perry jones the ball early and tell him to shoot and not look to pass if they want to beat kentucky
Jones is putting up 7ppg against average bigs but against UK NBA future starting front line he's going to play better? Doesn't sound like sound logic to me. The guy is soft with a below average motor, Said that on here when he was in H.S. said it last year and saying it now. His guards don't give him the ball a lot down low because its like passing to another guard, he just wants to fade away or face up and shoot a jumper. Acy will try to bang on you and he's just the opposite of soft
And jones shouldn't be mentioned anywhere near lebron. You can mention Anthony Randolph and be more correct.
The kid hasn't played up to his potential and his team is in The Elite 8, if he catches fire they could take down Kentucky...That will be very difficult, The Cats have some very good players and I am worried Baylor's guards won't handle the pressure(On top of that, I feel they will avoid passing to the NBA talent on the team)...
This much I know, anyone who has eyes can see Perry Jones is the Best pro prospect at Baylor but he's the 3rd or 4th option on offense most nights...
I'll break down their offensive gameplan when the Team(And Perry Jones) struggles as simply as I can
1st, Give ball to Pierre Jackson, let him dribble the air out of the ball until he either A) Takes a low percentage shot or B) Passes out to a teammate for a contested 3 ...This forces everyone else to become ISO players too, they see the Pg taking bad shots and wearing the ball out and they follow suit...
When the Bears are at their best(Perry Jones included) they move the ball, limit Jackson's touches and allow Heslip to spread the floor while the athletes on Baylor cut to basket and rebound the ball when he passes or misses...If they miss Acy and others crash the boards and they look Great, Jones included...When they're shots drop they are unbeatable...
Xavier had no answers for Baylor when they played team ball, when Pierre Jackson began jacking up shots it killed the Team's momentum and Xavier cut into the lead...
My point here is that It isn't Baylor's system that has held back Perry Jones or Quincy Miller to an extent, It's Pierre Jackson, anyone can see where to place to blame...
I am upset because Perry, Q. Miller and Acy have not pulled Pierre aside and told him to stop shooting and start passing the damm ball...I think it falls on the Head Coach to demand HIS PG to get all the players involved, that's when a Team and it's best players are at their best...
Any coach and GM would love Perry Jones on their team, he's very talented and very unselfish, almost to a fault, I would love to see a selfish Perry Jones for these last few NCAA games and completely validate himself to "US/YOU" but that wouldn't be right in a team sport, I know the Best of the Best come up big in those moments but can't we allow these kids to be Good Teammates too???
I think guys like Pierre Jackson believe they're better than they are and players like Perry know how good they are but never force the issue, I wish he would sometimes but I'm not going to condemn him for it when Pierre is proving why you shouldn't...
Some how he led his team in scoring and they are still in the tournament. Sacrifices stats for the good of the team. Not a NBA all star caliber yet maybe never, but he wont bust either.
It's not hate Scare Crow, it's hearing for an entire year how great Perry Jones is and how he's going to roll into the pros and drop 20 a night. Be the best prospect in the class, but in reality of the 10+ Baylor games I've watched this year, he seems like a guy who seemed more comfortable being a 2nd option to LacDarius Dunn than a 1st option. A guy who can't really play defense and only looks like a 3 when he takes a college center off the dribble.
I hear one thing and see another. I don't dislike him, nor am I rooting against him, but I just don't think he's as good as people thought he was a year ago.
The guy is a good teammate, but that doesn't make for a top 3 prospect when he gets owned by his peers being considered for the NBA draft and disappears in big games, sans a couple games in the Big 12 tournament.
If you look at my record, I've been very consistant in my analysis of Perry. Someone brought up an old post a few months ago after his first game and I said then I expected big things, but if he doesn't produce he'll probably drop to the late lotto. It's not hate, it's consistant, non Perry homer, analysis.
When it's put on the table like you just put it that's not Hate, It's an opinion of a prospect...Some people claiming he's a bust and he'll be a scrub in The Nba need to chill...He's done very well consider all things...
You just brought up LacDarius Dunn and you just proved one of the points I tried to make about Perry Jones's production, Dunn does not play for Baylor anymore, he was there last year jacking up shots and playing the same role Pierre Jackson is RIGHT NOW, he killed team chemistry and a majority of the players on the team Under Achieved, Perry Jones was one of them...I would like to see Jones next to a Pure Pg, and I am sure there will be a Team with a Fine one willing to Draft PJIII in the Top 10...
I am not a Perry Jones III fanboy, but I do like his overall package as a player, I have not watch one Youtube Video on the kid from HS, I watched him in Organized Play at Baylor and I see a very skilled player that most definitly needs to get stronger and become a better defender and rebounder...
You make a good point about Perry defering to Dunn and Jackson during his college career, and he'll likely have to defer to his NBA team mates very early on as well, people forget these kids have a longtime to figure it all out and become the players they are meant to be Professionaly, I don't agree with the Anthony Randolph comparisons, PJIII isn't the Immature/Selfish/Lazy guy Randolph became...
I stand firm in my view on him as a Pro Prospect
He's one of those rare Talents, players like him don't come around every year, he's got a nice skillset for a 6'10/6'11 player, he can handle the ball a little, he can shoot very well when open, he's got great athletism and lenght and can strenghten his Body and become a post player in Time, The NBA has the best Trainers in The World, they turned Skinny kids like Dwight Howard into Superman for God's sake...
Any team that drafts him will have to be willing to wait a few years for him to really explode...Give him time to get stronger, develop some post moves and gain more confidence in his abilities...If he's next to a great Passer and a perimeter shooter he'll look awesome in The NBA...He's ceiling is very high considering all things...He can be as good as Lamar Odom or Lamarcus Aldridge, he could be as great as Kevin Garnett or Kevin Durant...His basement seems to be very high as well because long and athletic skill players are rare enough to always be in demand...
I don't think many GM's are passing on PJIII if they have a pick in The Top 10, outside of Davis and Drummond who else is a Top 5 Lock, Lamb? Not after that NCAA dud...Barnes? People have serious questions about Barnes right now...Thomas Robinson and Jared Sullinger? Both are way more Ready to play right by all accounts but what are there Ceilings? I like both players but it's to pass on a Potential Superstar for Potential Fringe Allstar/Role Player, sorry...Guys like Henson and Zeller are going to be taken Very High as well, have we not been watching Zeller tear it up lately, if he test out 6'11 or taller he's a Top 5 Dark Horse IMO...Henson's going to fly up the Boards too if they get past Kansas...I Think Thomas Robinson is a Top 5 pick, he and Sullinger are going to going head to head during the draft process, Davis, Drummond, Zeller, Joness III and Henson will be battling it out too, who ever wants a guard this year will their chance, Rivers/Lamb/Beal/Ross/Wroten and Barton will all be available after Most of the Big Guys get Drafted...
Yeah, good points, I've said all along Perry will probably be a contributer as a pro, but I do not believe he'll ever be a 1st option, like many think. I think his ceiling is somewhere along the lines of a 15-17 ppg player who is a borderline 2nd and 3rd option. While, I think his highest probability is a guy who can get you 10 and 5 as a 6th or 7th man/ occasional starter. Much like Darrell Arthur did when he was healthy for the Grizz last season.
I know the potential that he could become more will keep him in the lottery, but production and results do matter and he's disappointed this season. In all reality, he's not been the dominant player many who had him ranked in the top 3 last year, including myself, thought he'd become. It's not all Pierre Jackson or Scott Drew's fault. Perry hasn't played well in a lot of games, you can't blame anyone but Perry for disappearing or playing poorly on defense. That isn't systematic nor based on how many touches he gets.
The guys got a lot of tools and a lot of holes in his game, and I get sick of people who make so many excuses for Jones or guys who have only read scouting reports from a year ago say he's going to average 20 next year. I never said the guy is going to suck, I think he'll land in the late lottery, but he's not a sure fire prospect, nor is his ceiling as high as many believe.
I don't think Perry will ever be a number 1 option in the NBA but I do think he can be a valuable contributor and maybe even a star depending on the situation. I agree with "The Scare Crow" about the guards the past 2 years shooting too much or dribbling the air out of the ball. Perry should produce more but he also hasn't been in an environment that is best suited for him.
It's funny, Harrison Barnes gets the benefit of the doubt but PJIII doesn't. Everyone praised how Harrison Barnes started playing better when he got a pure pg in the game, and everyone sees how he struggles when he doesn't have Kendall Marshall in the game. Yet everyone makes the excuse "oh he'll be better as a pro, his skills aren't suited for UNC," well Perry Jones has played with 2 gunners at the guard position the last 2 years and no one gives him the benefit of the doubt. He Puts up with 14 and 7 as maybe the 3rd or 4th option on most nights, Harrison only puts up 17 and 5 as the 1st or 2nd option most nights. Joe Wolf said a few weeks ago. A player who is a disappointment in college just can't magically start producing in the NBA, well I thought about that, what about Deron Williams who was essentially a small forward in college in Illinois' 3 guard system. Carlos Boozer who was a center in college, Delonte West who was an average 2 guard in college, Gilbert Arenas who was the 4th best player on his team behind Richard Jefferson, Jason Gardner and loren Woods, David Lee, who was just an okay forward at Florida, Joe Johnson, Rajon Rondo, Andre Igoudala, Michael Redd, Anthony Morrow has found a role, none of those players were superstars in college and most of them were pretty good recruits.
A system can make all of the difference for a player. Think of Steve Nash going from Dallas to Phoenix, Jeremy Lin for the Knicks for Christs sake.
I player can be better when he becomes a pro. I don't think Perry Jones will ever become a number 1 option, I don't think he will be a perrenial all star but I think he will be a solid contributor and he will know his role. He would fit perfectly in a Chris Bosh role. In that role he will still get you 18 and 8, stretch the floor a little, have flashes of greatness. may be overpaid at some point in his career but will be known as a great 2nd or 3rd option. Also in the 2nd half against Kentucky he played pretty well, and then Pierre Jackson started jacking up shots again.
I'm not impressed with this guy at all.... Seems like he has an attitude problem. When he was interviewed he acted like one of the biggest brats I've seen in college sports this year. I think his ceiling is Anthony Randolph and his only hope to stay in the league is people seeing that potential like they do with Randolph. It could get him a spot on a bench and a nice contract.
first of all i'd like to point out his lack of development from fr. to soph. year.
"He Puts up with 14 and 7 as maybe the 3rd or 4th option "
i bet you didn't know he attempts the most shots in the team right? 10.9 to jackson's 9.7 and quincy miller's 8.4 (playing 6 less minutes)
pierre jackson does dribble the ball a lot... tell me who you want dribbling the ball from baylor against good competition?pj3 can't do anything on ISOs, i've seen it!!! he cant break his man off the dribble or do anything consistent in the post. you want heslip playing PG or handling it any more than he does? quincy miller can't handle it good enough like that, though i think he should handle the ball a just little more to ease-off pj55 having to do all the handling... he can use screens to get open or find open teammates cuss he can pass..etc
pj3 has all the tools to be a good perimeter defense but he's not that player that wants to shut you down or hustle 100% < that being a big reason why he's not even a weakside defender or blocker with all that athleticism and length on college ball (henson is similar in weight, lanky-ness and athleticism and averages 3 blocks) .... pj3 is very "chill" about the whole deal and often gets pushed inside the box easily, either being in the post or rebounds. #he has no fire on D. something im a huge fan of cuss ALL good defenders have that fire.
this is a post from senioakas in the UK vs baylor thread:
"To someone who said that Perry didn't get enough touches. In this game he got many touches the problem is instead of making something he just kicks the ball out. They make ISO for him to play but he just kicks out every time. I haven't had the opportunity to watch him much but from what I have seen he is just awfully soft both physically and mentally"
this is what's been happening on ISO's with perry all year, no one can say he doesn't get enough touches!!! at times jackson chucks because the other team is making a comeback and no1 can do anything about it AS OPPOSED TO, the other team making a comeback BECAUSE jackson is chucking!!!!
like joe wolf said:
"NBA GM's aren't at Baylor games ripping Jackson for not passing to Jones, they're not in the stands shaking their head at Baylor's system. They're wondering why Perry Jones looks like an above average college player, despite his natural gifts. I think it's because he's not a future NBA stud."
NBA GMs aren't and NO1 should either ^^^
Barnes shrunk in a big moment yesterday, but Perry Jones III was about as useful as a throw pillow vs Kentucky. He's got talent, but his desire, and commitment can really be questioned. Whenever it gets tough he seems to fade away.