Perry Jones is suspended
Baylor’s fading NCAA Tournament hopes took a huge hit Wednesday afternoon when Dallas TV station KEYE reported that freshman forward Perry Jones will be suspended for tonight’s Big 12 Tournament game against Oklahoma (tip is at 7 p.m. ET).
Yahoo! Sports’ Jason King followed with a report, citing a source, that Jones has been suspended for the rest of the season for accepting impermissible benefits. The school has yet to confirm.
Jones, the athletic 6-11 big man who is projected as a top-five pick in the upcoming NBA draft, is second on the Bears in scoring this year at 13.9 points per game. He’s averaging 7.2 rebounds and shooting 54.9 percent from the field.
If these reports are accurate and Jones is done, Baylor’s chances at getting an at-large berth are almost nil.
All I can say is wow.
I wonder if the coach new about it like Tressel
No wonder why he want to Baylor.
Benifits whiles he was in high school or in college? I'm guessing that either way, he's more likely to enter the draft this year than face future consequences that may hinder his draft stock next season.
hopefully the coach had no idea about this Baylor already suffered a voilation years ago(that one was worse). It'd be sad to see the coach who restored back to creditablity ruin them too.
I'd guess he has to declare now as the jocks at the NCAA could hit him with a longer suspension. Even if there was a lockout he'd still have his name with an NBA team and would preserve his draft stock by entering.
I have been wondering why Baylor ascended to te top of NCAA basketball so quickly. When I think of a team making it to the top of the countries NCAA system like that I think of SMU Mustangs, and how badly that whole situation stank. Myself as a natural skeptic, I never believe what i read until it is confirmed and that goes on both side. I dont believe Baylor recruits these 5 star teens without paying them and I dont believe Kentucky recruits these 5 star players without paying them. Im pretty sure recruiting is a big bidding war half the time nowadays.
"hopefully the coach had no idea about this"
Dont kid yourself.
I know this probably won't hurt his draft stock, but for me it would. I know we don't know all the facts, but it shows on his character by taking these "gifts". I want a high character player if I'm picking in the top 5, NBA basketball isn't all about skill, it's about lifestlye and how you handle the fame and fortune that comes with it.
I think it's more believable that the Kentucky players were recruited legally lately. Calipari has had such success getting kids to the NBA that there's no doubting the appeal there for a great young prospect wanting to make the leap.
@OhCanada, they arose to the top of the top of the NCAA with players like Tweety Carter, Epke Udoh Curtis Jerrells, Lacedarius Dunn and Quincey Acey, not exactly high profile high school players. The difference between Baylor and SMU is that they built their program back up with lower caliber recruits playing at a high level and sound coaching.
Epke Udoh was, I believe their first lottery pick ever, and aside Curtis Jerrels playing a handfull of games with the Spurs on 10 day contracts the last legit NBA player from Baylor was David Wesley. I think they built their program up from nothing because Scott Drew is a good coach and because they got to a certain level and are in a state like Texas (Jones and Austin are from there) they could attract a certain type of player. I don't know for certain if Baylor gave money to Jones, they may have, BUT I doubt Tweety Carter and Curtis Jerrels in 2005 or 6 ( Two of the most important player in reviving Baylor basketball) were getting money and benefits thrown at them out of high school....they're no SMU
I agree delfam, people are also going to tarnish his name alot more too. The fact is he is a good character kid, and very hard working expect the media to try to change that. There are also teams like the Raptors who completly stay away from bad character players, and players with tarnished records. I doubt Toronto drafts him if given the oppurtunity now.
@JoeWolf-How about Duece Bello and Quincy Miller?
"I know this probably won't hurt his draft stock, but for me it would. I know we don't know all the facts, but it shows on his character by taking these "gifts". I want a high character player if I'm picking in the top 5, NBA basketball isn't all about skill, it's about lifestlye and how you handle the fame and fortune that comes with it."
Can't be no worse then Renardo Sidney.
I'm just saying their Elite 8 finish last year had nothing to do with Perry Jones, Isiah Austin, Duce Bello and Quincey Miller. Like I said, I don't know how legit their recruiting process for those guys has been, but to assume their rise to prominance in the NCAA last year by dirty recruiting guys like Tweety Carter, Dunn, and other relative unknown high school players is just un founded.
You said you wondered how quickly they ascended to the top of the NCAA and I told you with relative unkown and medium profile high school players and good coaching. It's not like Perry Jones and their 011 recruiting class rose them to the the Elite 8 and within a couple points of beating Duke...an up and coming program is incentive for a guy to want to play there.
Perry Jones isnt their first high ranking recruit since 2005 2006. They have had plenty of highly toughted players recruited. Perry Jones was more like the satement recruit for Baylor saying "were here and we aint goin nowhere!". I am not discrediting the work done at Baylor by any means, just saying plenty of teams have good runs, a couple good years. Rarely do teams like that stay consistantly amongs the NCAA elite in standings and recruiting, thus my skepticle behaviour.
Perrys stock has seemed to switch with Veselys according to this sites mock draft. If Toronto drafts Vesely idk how I would feel, it would seem like a very upsetting pick but in reality he seems like a good fit.
@JoeWolf - Actually, Dunn and Carter were pretty highly-touted recruits.
I've heard Scott Drew is a dirty coach...
...but most of the top coaches in college football and college hoops are.
Not condoning it, but it's really just the nature of the two sports.
There is no way u pass on that type of talent because he may have gotten gifts and money from Baylor, European players get gifts, money, drugs and women all the time...i hope your team passes on him for that bullshit reason, I'm sure every other team hopes your Craptors pass him up for another useless euro player...
There is no way u pass on that type of talent because he may have gotten gifts and money from Baylor, European players get gifts, money, drugs and women all the time...i hope your team passes on him for that bull&$#%#&@! reason, I'm sure every other team hopes your Craptors pass him up for another useless euro player...
.......Perry Jones hasn't set the world on fire, so how is he head and shoulders above Vesely? Please don't say upside. Thought we grew up from all that.
It was stupid for Amare to say that just because he got suspended was because he's black. I mean does he really think they wanted to lose their second best player, and really their only force in side? In March? Davies grew up in Provo and im sure knew all about their "honor code" as rediculous as it might be, before he signed their. He's not the first good player to get suspened for the same thing. Cant rememver his name, but it was an ex football who ended up playing 6 years for Philly after leaving BYU. Looks like he turned out pretty well. Neither had anything to do with race thats what i was trying to get at.
The sad thing is its the most rational prediction is to predict the Raptors completly screwing up this draft, and this nice young core they have built. I would not be surprised if they pick Vesely over a bunch of good prospects, BC has got to go!
i think Bc's board is
1.Kyrie 2.Kanter 3.Jonas 4. Donatas(since their head scout is his father :0)
I also think Adam Morrison leads the league in scoring next year and that the 2012 MVP will be Kwame Brown. But, the Charlotte Bobcats move that ultimately gets them that ring next year is when they sign John Bryant to move Kwame to his natural position. JB wins the Bill Russell trophy and cements his legacy as one of the greatest to ever do it.
Also, while I do not agree completely with Vesely being a "totally useless Euro player", I think no team passes on Perry Jones for these reasons and if they do, than they are making a mistake. If he does not go top 5, I will be incredibly surprised. Personally, I could care less what gifts he accepted and do not see integrity issues being involved here. You worry about character issues and maturity, not taking gifts from agents like everyone else more than likely does in one way or another.
Mike I didnt suggest the Raptors actually draft Vesely...You know me better then that. Im suggesting they screw up and do something totally unrational such as tat type of action. Weve seen it before and we will see it again.
Anybody else watching the game tonight, Amir Johnson injured his ankle looks like a high ankle prain and Bargnani is out tonight. luckily evans returned tonight. Davis is looking like he may get 40 minutes. Right now they have Evans and James Johnson in at the frontcourt lol.
Reggie Evans really hustling out there. He's the exact opposite of Bargs.
I wonder if Amare will comment on this suspension and call in racist like he bid the BYU Davies suspension. Of course he wont.
I wonder if Amare will comment on this suspension and call in racist like he bid the BYU Davies suspension. Of course he wont.
You serious man?
So a player accepting a gift shows how low of a character guy he is?..Was that a joke? You know how many players have accepted shoes,hats,basketball shorts etc basically you wouldn't be able to draft any player.
Jones was just unlucky in getting caught.
This is a common occurrence and I don't think it really reveals bad character or anything.
I was referring to what Scarecrow said and was not talking about anything you said other than maybe saying Jones has a "tarnished record", which is fairly absurd. I only comment on you being maybe the craziest most bitter Raptors fan in franchise history. Seriously man, "THE RAPTORS CAN NOT GUARD THE POST". Yes, Dorsey was a nice spark tonight, but Jefferson's last second shot being affected by him would be a total unknown, it was a freak shot and they defended Harris perfectly. They are a bad team man, and Triano is not a great coach, but he was guarding the Jazz personnel that was out there. Do you want Joey Dorsey guarding a perimeter guy? Yes dude, we know Ed Davis has a lot of potential as a defender/rebounder, but he also gets constantly out muscled down low and has trouble guarding stronger post players.
I am not saying Triano is a great coach, but I think he looks at things a tad more realistically than you seem too. Yes, Al Jeff may have 50 pounds on Ed Davis, but no one on the Raptors was going to stop him and when you have someone like that it is called a "match-up problem". What you do with said problem, is use this to your advantage, which the Jazz seemed to do to get back in and win the game. What the Raptors have a hard time doing is "scoring consistently". Especially without your homeboy Bargnani, who while armed with incredible deficiencies, is still the Raptors best scorer at this point (yes, he is a better scorer at this point than DeMar DeRozan). Plus, Sonny played really well this game. Finally, WHO CARES IF THE RAPTORS WIN MORE GAMES THIS YEAR? My guess though is that they were not throwing the game, and might "suck". Just a theory.
Tweety Carter was (I don't know if he still is) the highest scoring high school player in the history of high school basketball, and a Mickey D's guy. He was highly touted. And Lace Dunn was the highest rated recruit to ever come to Baylor as a consensus 4-star recruit. Those guys weren't unknown recruits by any stretch of the imagination. And Kevin Rogers, who graduated a few years back and was a solid player for Baylor, was a top 50 or 60 recruit too. They had some solid prospects, far from unknown recruits. Even guys like Josh Lomers and Henry Dugat were pretty highly touted for Baylor.
If Scott Drew showed that he helped Epe Udoh to develop last season into a top 6 pick then this will attract players to Baylor. Coach Cal has had two seasons vacated in his coaching career but was not held personally responsible for either. The two players involved were Marcus Camby and D-Rose and neither of their draft stock was affected.
Kentucky's recruitment programme is no doubt under close supervision given the amount of stars that Coach Cal has managed to recruit in recent years and the past issues indirectly with his teams but everything must be considered above board unless proved otherwise. Players actually want to play for Coach Cal and Coach K etc as they can help make top HS players into NBA ready players.
@Iggy, yeah, you're right Dunn was a 5 star and Carter a 4, but I they weren't the super hyped type guys like Jones, Miller, Austin etc...Now that I read that today I could have probably articulated that better.
On a side note, I think they should get rid of the 1 year rule by either letting kids come out in high school or making them play 2 years because what's to stop a guy who knows he's a one and done from taking benefits? Sure fire one and done players know they're going to be millionaires in a year anyways, why would they want to be a broke college student until the meantime when they dont have to. You can't even chalk that up to character issues either. It's just immaturity, I remember the kind of stuff me and my friends did at 18 and 19, it'd be extremely difficult to resist all that temptation if you didn't have to worry about being eligable next season or dodging NCAA infractions if you're getting your name called in June.
This wouldn't stop me from drafting Perry Jones..., he's probably a good kid, but kid is the key word there. By the time most people are even 25 or 26 they would change a multitude of decisions they made at 18 or 19, I feel this has little to do with Perry's character. There are plenty of other guys who we probably hold up to be high character guys who did the same thing, but just didn't get caught.
I wonder would the NBA be strong enough under the CBA to say that anyone caught violating rules in a draft year they are eligible for cannot declare that year or join an NBA team until after the next year's draft. (The later part would stop any player being signed up in the off season as an undrafted player or even deliberately breaking the rules knowing a contender might sign them rather than a lottery team.)