Perry Jones A More Athletic Version of Lamarcus Aldridge?
Perry Jones is a freak of nature, and at 6''11 235 he runs the floor just as fast as a two guard. He has the size to play both forward positions, that versatility is what keeps him in the lottery. If he continues to add a little more muscle to his frame, his ceiling could be Lamarcus Aldridge.
It's up to him if he wants to live up to that potential once he gets to the NBA.
Anthony Randolph, good balhandling but not great (better than randolph), average shot, below average post skills, excellent Athleticism.
Awful shot blocker. (Randolph is a better shot blocker)
Average to below average awareness in both ends of the floor
He doesnt seem to have high BKB IQ, because he is basically the same player he was 2-3 years ago, but could be Baylors system limiting him.
I agree with you man. It really didn't do him any good staying in school, he's basically averaging the same numbers as last season. But I won't write him off just yet, perhaps it could be Baylors system hinderring him. We'll have to wait and see
To me his ceiling is even higher. Aldridge is a better low post player, but Jones is a much better athlete.
However, it seems a very distant ceiling the way he is inconsistent. He reminds me of a softer Josh Smith.
aside from their height and weight, these guys are literally nothing alike... jones is more of an athletic combo forward and l.a. is a polished true 4 man with a great low post and mid range game... i agree with the guy above me who thinks perry jones is probably a better version of anthony randolph
I can tell you Perry Jones is closer to Aldridge then he is Randolph. Jones is faster, stronger, and has way more skill then even Randolph has now. Randolph came out of LSU as basically a shot blocker who rebounded and had enogh skill to handle the ball in the open court. But Perry Jones isn't the defender Randolph was in college, but he's way more versatile in terms of talent. Jones can handle the ball and pass it better then Randolph ever could and looks so natural doing it.
It's easy to look at the numbers and say that PJ3 hasn't improved but that isn't true. Jones' game expanded to the point where he is Baylors primary option on most nights, last year it was Dunn because Jones didn't have a polished go to game. This year Jones does tho. You can throw the ball to Jones and know that he's gonna get a high quality look. On offense Jones can do many similar things to Alrdidge including hitting the mid range jumper.
If you look at L.A.'s sophomore season at Texas and compare it to PJ3 the similarities become even more striking.
When you watch Baylor it's evident that the system holds Jones back to a certain extent. They like to swing the ball and kick to their shooters. PJ3 will go multiple possessions without ever touching the ball. I don't like the zone they use on defense either, it's just funky.
He reminds me of Tim Thomas.
YES!!!! Tim Thomas is the greatest Perry Jones comparison ever. I mentioned that before and kinda forgot about it the way people forget about Tim Thomas. But that is about exactly how I think Jones will be in the league. Only Jones is more athletic where Thomas was more skilled. Thomas was a great shooter while Jones has legitimate post moves. But Thomas had the potential to be one of the greatest players in the league...
I hate comparisons, but for arguments sake I can't see the Aldridge one. Its pretty clear Jones isn't a true post player. The Randolph one is fairly decent because of the body types, but Jones is much more fluid and comfortable with the ball away from the basket. As you said above he can't shoot the three nearly as good as Thomas and is much more athletic. His play style screams NBA role player to me, I don't see him becoming a go to scorer with his mentality as it is now. With his inconsistencies, its anyones guess, but I'd say he's going to end up somewhere between Randolph and Lamar Odom.
I think thats the main reason why Perry Jones havent reached his potential,becuz they're trying to make him something he's not,thats a post player..But learning to play inside, will help him at the next level,but its hindering him as a player right now..In high school he was on the perimeter,thats why they were comparing to McGrady...They barely run plays thru him at Baylor...
I'm noticing more negs then actual feedback which just shows how ignorant so many people are. I respect the opinions of everybody who commented but in your comments you all say pretty much the same negatives about Jones that were said about Aldridge. Aldridge would of been the 1st pick if teams didn't think he was kinda soft and wasn't playing up to his ability. But he still went 2nd because of his size and massive potential.
Perry Jones has a ton of talent and he is very skilled which is the main thing that serparates him from a player like Randolph. Randolph hinted at a huge skill set and showed potential, but in reality he really doesn't have that much talent as evidenced by his play in the league. Jones does have the talent tho.
Numbers are decieving. PJ3 is still leading a 25-5 team in scoring and is tied for the lead in rebounds despite having what many call a disapointing year.
Jones has improved. First off his body has filled out nicely. I won't be surprised to see Perry weight in at about 240 during the combine giving him perfect size for an NBA post player. I do believe he's more of a PF then a SF tho he could play either position. I just think he's going to be a terror operating in the high post just like Aldridge. The big differences is that Aldridge is a natural post player, but in reality Aldridge is a 7 footer who should be playing Center but isntead floats around outside of the paint shooting 10-15 footers. Won't be surprised if Jones does similar things.
However where Alridge is better in the post, PJ3 is better off the dribble. I kinda liken PJ3's situation to Jeff Green's at G'Town. Green played in a very slow tempo offense which limited his skill set. When he got to the NBA and people saw his athleticism and total package he looked more like a top 5 pick.
Jones is going to benefit from the faster paced NBA game with more space to operate in. In college it's easy to crowd the lane on Jones, in the league you can't do that.
I think your bang on. #1 the Aldridge comparison is off. PJ is a natural 3 who is being forced inside because of his size. His best comparison skill set wise would be Lamar Odom who actually came into the league and played the 3 when he was drafted by the Clippers. If you're telling me Lamar could play the 3 in the L and Jones can't, with his superior athleticism I would say you're wrong. I think he is more of a wing than a post player and once he gets to the league more people will see that.
Perry has a real good J it will show in the L cause he will be allowed to take it more. Aldridge is not nice in the post he jump shoots mainly. Good comparison even though I hate comparisons. P Jones has high IQ to me it just is not showed in Baylors game plan. Jones has good dribbling skills that are never showcased at Baylor. LA will always be a little better in the post that PJ even though LA is not great there. Perry is going to get to the line a lot taking fours off the dribble with all that space. All those negs was uncalled for. Good comparison.
The thing is, while LaMarcus Aldridge may have had the "soft" label (up into a few years ago even), does that rebound number not jump off of the page as a glaring difference? How about FT attempts? I mean, for all of the concerns there were about Aldridge as a prospect, I think he had shown many more legitimate flashes of being aggressive than Perry Jones has.
I definitely think that Perry Jones should go probably no later than 10 in this draft, but Aldridge was a lot closer to the first pick than you think. The Raptors thought he clashed too much with his good friend and fellow Texan, Chris Bosh, which is why they went with a guy that they projected may even play on the wing for them in Andrea Bargnani. I have a feeling most teams would have gone with Aldridge, to be honest.
For as nice as Jones skill set may be and while he is a fantastic athlete, Aldridge is longer and stronger. Was when he was drafted and his offensive game was far more advanced as both a face-up and post player. Not to mention, I believe Aldridge took much further strides between his freshman and sophomore seasons.
Everyone seems to have Jones as a 3, but I find it hard to see the Lamar Odom/T-Mac comparisons. I just flat out have not seen that consistently enough. I know that Baylor probably does not utilize him to these strengths, but there must be a reason he is not getting to the line more and using his athletic gifts more to his advantage.
What I am afraid about Jones as a prospect is the lack of aggression on the boards and as a defender. He seems to get outmuscled and in the NBA, that will not get easier. I doubt we have seen the best of him, but I see little reason to believe he will be much like LaMarcus Aldridge just from where they both were at this point as prospects. You may feel like there stats are glaringly similar, but I think they tell a much different story about why Perry Jones is not considered the prospect LaMarcus Aldridge was.
Aldridge was a center in college and the focal point of Texas' offense. P.J. Tucker was a good player in that system who scored a tad more, but they ran the offense through the post Aldridge's soph season because he commanded double teams down low.
I think that is why he's made such a good transition into a high scoring power forward and low post player. Perry Jones is a different type player. I like what RUDEBOY said, because that is exactly what would have to happen for Jones to be a PF like Aldridge, they would have to MAKE him into that and more often than not when you're trying to turn a player into something completely different from what he is...it doesn't work.
I think Perry will find a spot in the NBA as a stretch 4. I don't see him as a player that will fully reach his potential. I realize what he "could" do, but I think he will be a 6th man/occasional starter who can give you 10 points and 5 rebounds and stretch the floor against slower power forwards.
Perry Jones can't be the focal point of a offense because he doesn't have that mind set, he's also not as fast as a two guard or at least doesn't show it on offense or defense when he let's other fours beat him down the court. I've been sayin git since his Sr year and i'll say it now, stop being blinded by the lfashes he shows and look at his motor/mindset/ and inconsistant play. He look slike the second coming of Anthony Randolph who should at least be a little better because he seems to have a better work ethic but will always leaving you waiting for more
I agree with what you said and I remenber that draft well because It was the first time since the Kwame Brown draft that you had like 7 players who were all in consideration for the first pick. My 3 favorite players from that draft were Aldridge, Gay, and Randy Foye. I thought Aldridge and Gay should of went 1-2 and I thought Randy Foye was going to be better in the league then Brandon Roy because Foye was a way better athlete and they did similar things on the court. Boy was I wrong on that one.
Aldridge spent the summer preparing for the draft working out with Bosh and from my understanding Bosh was lobbying hard for them to draft Aldridge. In my eyes Aldridge was a Center prospect with his height and length, and low post ability. I thought Bosh and Aldridge would make a fantastic low post tandem. I liked Bargs prospects but thought he was a PF and still think he is. So why they drafted him to play C and still insists on playing him at Center alludes me. If not Aldridge then Gay would of been great in Toronto. But I'm a fan of athletes with great length.
The main thing I wanted to point out with the Aldridge-Jones stats, is that they had similar production, and shot a similar percent from both the field and FT. Aldridge got the line 2 more times, and also got more rebounds and blocks, but he was a better low post player. Aldridge still in my eyes is soft because i think he should be playing Center. Aldridge has the size and skill set to be a dominate Center out West. He wouldn't have to worry about All Star snubs either playing Center.
Despite his listing Aldridge is about 7 foot in sneaker with tremendous length and a polished low post game. I don't understand what more you could want in a Center.
Jones is a good inch and half shorter then Aldridge in height and wingspan. However physically Jones is ahead of L.A. at the same stage. Jones is already filled out well and ripped up, as compared to L.A. who was still stick think coming out of Texas. Jones also has a tattoo already and it took L.A. a few years in the league to get a tat which speaks volumes of his toughnes...that was a bad joke so everybody calm down..
What you don't get to see at Baylor is just how talented Jones is with the ball. He's not as advanced as Odom was but he's advanced enough to take people off the dribble from the high post which is something Baylor should be running consistently but don't. He's also gifted enough to take people off the dribble from the 3 point line and get to the foul line for a pull up. But he rarely see's the ball on the perimeter at Baylor.
But just showing Aldridge's college stats gives an example of how somebody who wasn't dominante in college can become dominate in the pro's. I'm not saying it's going to happen but just because Jones' is only getting 13-14 ppg at Baylor does not mean he can't average 20ppg in the league. His shooting will determine that. He has great mechanics on his shot and if keeps working on it should be able to become a consistent jump shooter. If that happens is opens up the rest of his game.
You don't want a 6'11 guy with his type of athleticism and speed being able to hit 20 foot jump shots consistently because if he does he's going to be a nightmare to keep out of the lane. But i think his whole game is going to live and die with how good of a shooter he can become.
So if you have the height of a center but don't play it should you be considered soft. Dirk and Gasol have the height but they don't really help my arguement because people already think they are soft lol. Bosh same thing, damn i guess i can't even make a good point lol
I'm willing to bet that Jones is probably faster then the top 2 guards available in this draft in Lamb and Beal.
Check out this footage: http://youtu.be/pzPA8OpzaTA
It's not a highlight reel. It actually probably shows you why Jones probably don't get the ball in his hands more often, but also shows the potential thats there. His first step while dribbling is incredible. And it's so easy to say Jones is like Randolph because they have similar builds, and even look kinda alike. But in reality they are really less alike then Aldridge and Jones are.
Randolph played on a bad LSU team and floated through the SEC with his length and mobility. He was a great shot blocker and rebounder in college. Jones isn't either. But what Jones is a better athlete and way more skilled. Jones is more nimble and agile then Randolph is which allows him to weave through traffic. It could also make Jones potentially a great perimeter defender cuz his agility is something special he get's so low in his stance which brings down his center of gravity and makes you quicker laterally. And Jones can actually shoot well off the catch, or off the dribble. Randolph still can't really shoot that well. Just because you can hit an NBA 3 doesn't mean you have any bussiness taking them.
And LOL @ Perry being a wing. He lacks the ball skills and perimeter defense to be a 3.
I'm going to go ahead and compare Perry (who i'm a fan of) to a guy that i loved who never got to reach his full potential...Jonathan Bender...dammit that guy could have been a beast!