Perry Jones III. Your take on him
Ive been following recruiting for years now both basketball and football for their possible professional implications and just cause I think its cool. Every year I find guys who I tab and just think theyr gunna the man when they eventually go pro. In the 2010 class I was big on Perry Jones from watching his game tape, his physical make up, the mcdonalds all american game, and then at Baylor. What do you guys think of him? me personally as I said I think hes the man. At 6"11 hes got handes like a guard and is as fast as one, could use a little work on his jump shot and ball control but all in all he looks to have the most upside of anyone in college. For guys like sullinger and harrison barnes in the 2nd half of the season what you see is pretty much what you get they can improve, but its not like theyr game is gunna transform tremendously. But for Jones, he could step in and play powerforward with his size, quickness, and ability although if he were to be playin that spot he could def pack on 15 lbs. On the other hand if Jones can put all his tools together he can without a doubt be very Durantula like and play the SF in the NBA, and that would make him the most dangerous player in the draftin my opinion. Throw a capable 6"11 Perry Jones on your roster as a SF and that is the start of a dangerous lineup when you begin to have that height at that position.
As much as people say if he puts everything together he'll be great. How many guys actually become great? Perry Jones will get to the NBA, but I don't see him being anything special in some ways he reminds me of Anthony Randolph. He'll show flashes, but will never be consistent.
perry jones could either be the first player of his kind or the next anthony randolph...he has all the talent, tools, size to be a monster....i could see him potentially being the #1 pick...however im not so sure hes even the best player on baylor, if Q-Miller can recover from that surgery he could be an absolute monster and i would argue he COULD be better than harrison barnes
He'll fare much better than Randolph. He's not the same kind of prospect, and he's going to work. As well as having the benefit of having a clear position.
I think I'll watch Jones more next year and get a better feel for him when the conference slate starts. I get the feeling that he's a talented PF who has good athleticism and promising talent, but he needs to polish his game. Last year, you could see the talent but he often looked a little soft and prone to disappearing against quality teams and players. He would make his presence felt at times because he's too talented not to, but he's not going to be able to consistently rely on that in the NBA and he knows that. Coach Drew speaks highly of his work ethic, and I think he'll grow up more and more next year. He should be a good NBA player, I believe he'll grow and polish his game.
His NBA career can really go either way, depending on how hard and badly he wants to be great. He can either be Anthony Randolph/Tim Thomas or he can be LaMarcus Aldridge. I remember Aldridge's motor was questioned when he was at Texas, and this season he really showed the toughness and motor that was questioned, specially when his team needed him the most with Portland's injuries. Jones will be counted on along with Quincy Acy to fill the leadership role, as the Baylor will be a very young squad this year, I will be following closely how much he matures and how he responds to the leadership role this season.
All college players need work just like Barnes is at Kevin Durants camp, and theres no for sure things in the draft except lebron so im not really disagreeing that he needs work Im just saying hes no different than anyone else in college. I HATE the Randolph comparison lol its everywhere but I remember Randolph in hs and college and he never showed what Jones is showing at least not in as large doses as Jones does. I see where the crticism comes from lacking his so called killer instinct but realistically how much do you expect a freshmen to step in and take control of lacerius dunn of all people a shot happy mediocre 2 guard trying to play point who never really looks to pass and Quincy Acy an established college player who isnt as shot happy but certainly has less time than Jones and alot more to prove to NBA scouts about him being able to play at the next level and what position. Look for Jones to be a dominant force this year hes no idiot he knows what criticism about him is out there
Slightly taller Anthony Randolph with a jump shot. Made a great, mature, surprising and reputation-friendly decision to return for his sophomore year. The fact that he chose to return despite Baylor adding another freakishly athletic/talented/tall wing in Quincy Miller shows his commitment to improving and proving himself.
I like him. I think he will be a very good player in the NBA i see him putting up Rudy Gay like numbers with a few more assists. If he goes to the right team i think he can start and contribute right away around (14,5,3 PRA in his rookie year) and around 20-7-4 in his prime. I think he could be a superstar but right now thats too much of a reach. He needs to be more aggressive. I watched ALL of his games at Baylor. Very inconsistent, at some nights its like he doesn't give a damn at all. he needs to be more assertive and aggressive. He played in a system last year where the guards didn't give him the ball enough and LaceDarius dunn just jacked up all the shots he wanted. I think if the coach lets perry jones play give him a little more freedom he can produce more. They will be stacked at the frontline next season too. with q. milller and quincy acy at the other spots. from the 14,7,1 he posted this season i think he could get it up to around. 16-17 8 and 2 next. He is very mature and really wants to get better which is good. i would like to see him with more confidence though. he is better than anthony randolph at this point in his career
Last season I got crucified with negative points when I said he should not go no 1 (at that stage most had him as no 1 when barnes started slowly). I don't think he will be an all-star talent that everyone was saying.
To Perry's defence, Last season I watched a few more games and I beleive he didn't really get enough of the ball so this season there is room for him to grow statistically....
its going to come down to two words: work ethic
if he wants to be great, he will be great
if he has an anthony randolph kind of work ethic
hes gnna be anthoner anthony randolph
a guy with all the talent in the world, but is just another guy with athletism to offer, and not much else
I see Perry Jones as a 4 in the NBA. That is his ideal position now, and I think it will be when he enters the league, so a team may groom him as their power forward of the future. He needs to improve his rebounding and overall ability to play physically, but he has great potential as a pick and pop big man and should be able to work as an athletic mismatch facing up in the post. I think he will be most successful if he models his game after those of Chris Bosh and KG, rather than Rudy Gay or Tracy McGrady.
I'd love to see the Cavs get their hands on him. At 6'11, he'll be a good fit with Thompson in the long run, even if their heights are the inverse of their positions. Physical freak who has the potential to be a dominating force. No way he goes through the start of his career like Randolph, he's much more talented and has greater maturity. He'll be a Top 5 Pick next year.
Just another wiry and athletic 7fter that relies on out-jumping, out-reaching, and out-running college and high school big men while out-playing his own skill-set until he reaches the NBA or a decent level of competition in the NCAA where they are thoroughly exposed, never get better, and lose entire confidence in their own game.
reminds me a lot of Lamar Odom's game. He has a PG's mentality in a big man's body. Obviousy he's not a lefty, and their shots look much different, but the style of play is a lot the same. I also like the LaMarcus comparison. His shot reminds me a lot of LMA's with the high release and he likes the turnaround.
I feel he would have been one of the first two taken this year... and he should be one of the first 5 taken next year. There's no way I take Sullinger over Perry Jones.
I'm really hoping he's flat out dominant next year, and he definitely has the tools to be just that.
I hope to god he doesnt end up on the CAVS terrible franchise and I hate them lol. Theyr the &$#%#[email protected]! up child of the NBA family. Really Dan Gilbert and Mike Browm? you guys couldnt coach/put a team together to help the best all around player in the league in LBJ win a ring and you had 7 seaons to do so? thats like having a golden egg and not knowing how to have it benefit you straight up. And then theyr surprised when the dude peaces outa there? gimme a break how loyal do you expect someone to be, loyal enough that theyd risk their own inconic greatness just for their states team? &$#%#[email protected]! that shit the Cavs should be terrible for the next 10 years as much as I love kyrie since hes a Dukie I hope he take no extensions and gets outa there and the thompson pick is just theyr idiot decision making like that of "hey lets get an old extremley overpayed antwan jamison, and shot happy guy (mo williams) who doesnt play the point well is just really a scorer, and lets just go ahead and give $9 million a year to shaq at one point he was superman so whose to say that at 50 year old shaq with enough injuries for two guys wont be good and help our king win a ring...
GIMMME A F***** BREAK CAVS FANS YOU SUCKED BEFORE GOT LUCKY WITH YOUR HOMETOWN KID HE GAVE YOU SOME ENJOYMENT AND LEFT FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE SINCE ALL THERE EVER IS IN CLEVELEND IS CLOUDY SKIES AND A TERRIBLE BASKETBALL TEAM
Skill Wise, i think Perry Jones & Renardo Sidney are 2 of the most talented players in the country..Their potential are Limitless,but its all up to them......
Perry Jones -Best Case is a Kevin Garnett or Tracy McGrady....Worst Case is Jonathan Bender
Renardo Sidney-Best Case is a Chris Webber ...Worst Case is a Chris Washburn
I think Perry is a very talented kid with a lot of length and adequate athleticism, he has a very good offensive skill set right now, and I'm sure that will continue to improve. Right now I think he lacks on the defensive end and he's an average rebounder for a guy with his length. That being said, he has a lot of work to do on his game from an IQ and aggressiveness standpoint. He was a pretty effecient player last year, getting dunks good shots etc., but even when Dunn was out with a suspension he didn't take command of games against inferior competition.
I think Perry's current skill set paired with his size, even with his slight frame right now, is enough to make him at least role player if he were stepping in as a rookie this year. I see his potential, but he needs to prove he can take control and if he doesn't I could see him being a guy who could slide to the 10-12 range next spring despite his top 5 potential.
I'm not understanding how you guys compare Jones to Randolph. That don't play much alike at all, besides being thin guys (Randolph is much skinnier though) from Texas they aren't very similar. I'm assuming you guys didn't watch Randolph in college or you didn't watch Jones last year.
@NYballas
What exactly has Jones showed that Randoph didnt in college?
Neither had three point range, Randolph was the more consistant shooter, slightly better rebounder and scorer and more consistant. Jones isn't as fast nor handles like a guard and struggles to guard players on the wing who are guards or forwards. He doesn't have any post moves and relies on his god given physical abilities at this point, also doesn't have that killer instinct. Randolph handled the ball more in college and to be honest he was better than Perry. i can see the comparisions because they both have some handles and are tall and athletic.
I dont think he will ever be McGrady or great just good at best. You know if a player might be great by watching the player and how talented they are and how hard they work. They dont take plays off like Perry. How many guys with his talent and his type of drive ever become great or stars?
I think too many got caught up on his youtube highlights and think that was the player he was instead of just taking it for what it was which was a highlight mix tape of just good things he does when he is playing in a open gym setting with little defense
I saw Randolph in college and checked out his hs tapes and Jones clearly has better handles theres no doubt about that and Ive already said if Jones can just work a bit on his ball control then as far as dribbling goes hes got the handles of a 2 guard or SF. Jones didnt shoot the ball enough from 3 to realistically judge his 3pt capabilities I watched him every chance I had meaning everytime he was on tv I watched him, and most of his shots cam from the baseline, were dunks, driving to the basket shots, or pull ups from freethrow distance/inbetween the 3pt line. There were older more experienced players on Baylor like Dunn who played the perimeter game. But as far as his jumpshot is concerned its a little unorthodox but his arm motions and positining look very good as far as form matters. As I have said everytime Ive discussed Jones on this site and other writersvagree, not bloggers real writers, he straight up did not get enough touches of the ball on offense with Dunn and Acy taking most of the shots. Jones is an alright rebounder thats why Id like to see him play SF in the NBA thats what hes better suited for so I agree with you on that to a degree but hes not a bad rebounder especially for how light he is for his size, and Randolph is now looking to play center so that tells you what his skills were best suited for in the NBA. He was recruited as a SF/PF was drafted as a PF and now looking to play C so while he may have excelled more in college than Jones has so far that doesnt necessarily mean anything for the NBA if we know anything about college players its that while some may excel that doesnt by any means signal their success for the NBA. Hes not a polished post player which is also why Id like to see him work on becoming a SF, but players in college and the NBA each try to add something to their game/improve a part of it forthe next season and being that hes only 19 going on 20 im not worried about that at all. Very few top bigmen prospects have polished post skills thats why they take the longest to develop. Also my own little theory and friends agree, the college game is a bigmans worst enemy(modern college game not old school). College basketball is suited for guards and guard/forwards you may argue this in any way you want, but succsesful NBA big men who were in college did not see success there.Look at every succussful NBA bigman right now all came from another country or were from hs and wer talking the modern game not 20 years ago when shaq was picked. The best bigmen in the NBA who were in college are Carlos Boozer and Al Horford both of which were not good enough to go pro right away. Im too lazy to go any further the rest is too easy il say this much you dont see guys like him succeeding everywhere cause hes a new breed of player that wev been seeing in recent years. Tall guys the size of a post player who can play like a guard.
When I think of highly-touted players known for their 6-9 or 6-10 thin frame and crazy athleticism, but just look genuinely not interested in having an impact on the game at all, I think of Darius Miles. And that's exactly what Perry Jones is. Every time I saw Baylor, I could watch an entire half and not even hear his name mentioned. He was content to finish games with 10 points and just a handful of rebounds. That's absolutely unacceptable for a guy who is 6-11 or whatever, with an insane vertical leap. That's just a matter of desire, and he looks like he doesn't want to do any dirty work, just get some dunks once in awhile.
I understand his skill set is raw and that can take time to develop, but there's no excuse for not rebounding. What did he average, 7 boards? He is another indifferent player who will get picked in the top 10 because of his "upside" and be a total flop in the NBA. He'll be just like Brandan Wright, Jordan Hill, Corey Brewer, etc.
"What exactly has Jones showed that Randoph didnt in college?
Neither had three point range, Randolph was the more consistant shooter, slightly better rebounder and scorer and more consistant. Jones isn't as fast nor handles like a guard and struggles to guard players on the wing who are guards or forwards. He doesn't have any post moves and relies on his god given physical abilities at this point, also doesn't have that killer instinct. Randolph handled the ball more in college and to be honest he was better than Perry. i can see the comparisions because they both have some handles and are tall and athletic."
Jones is bigger, has a position, and more of a work ethic than Randolph. That's why he'll fare better. Jones needs to improve on D, on the glass, and he needs more polish, but Randolph functioned as a SF/PF for LSU. Jones also played with a ridiculously ball-dominant guard in Lace Dunn who was selfish and had a bad year, as well as playing on a team with lacking PG play. Granted, Randolph had Thornton, but Thornton didn't chuck as much as Dunn and LSU had better PG play with Garrett Temple and other guys. I think Jones and Randolph were comparable statistically last year, but their styles and makeups couldn't be further apart. I think Jones will improve next year and those comparisons will be written off.
Randolph work ethic wasn't any less in college then Jones. He actually took less plays off then Jones did.
Also Dunn Took less shots per game then Marcus did
Marcus-15.7
Dunn- 15.1
There styles aren't real close though because Randolph showed more skill in college while Jones just got most his points and rebounds because of his athletic ability and legnth
@J-Nixon is right, Jones and Randolph are on two different spectrums as far as having defined positions. Although this is off topic, the two remind me of 2 college QBs.
Perry Jones III would be Tyrod Taylor, an extremely athletic quarterback who can make any throw, read defenses, and scrambles when needed after taking time to develope decision making.
Anthony Randolph is Cam Newton, a pure athlete playing QB that will always get the highlights and also prosper by having a better team and situation. His stats are sickening because of his athletic plays but not pure QB plays.
Jones III has better skills and work ethic compared to Randolph, just like Taylor does to Cam Newton.
I admire Jones for coming back to Baylor. It's comments in this post that make his return valid. He clearly knew he needed to refine his skills and get better as a prospect instead of riding his lottery hype and playing himself out of the league.
Thats because he wasn't a offensive force last year. Can't blame it all on the guards when you dont have the mind set to take over. He has the ability but he just doesn't have that mind set to be the best player ont he floor or the motor. There have been other bigs who have played with chucking guards but they still did better than Perry because they had that mind set. Maybe this year he will have that mind set. Many freshmen come in thinking they have to take a back seat to a upper classman. The true stars don't like Eric Gordan when he came in knowing D.J White was at Indiana
Jones has better work ethic based on what? from watching them they both have low work ethic and i'd rate Perry's even lower because he took alot of plays off.
Don't be surprised if Q. Miller comes in and puts up better numbers then Perry. He has that mind set that " I am the best player every time i step on the court"
Other than highlight tapes when has Jones showed guard handles?..And if you don't show it in the game its just like you can't do it(3point shot) there's a reason he didn't take alot of three point shots. There's a reason he didn't do those things you see on youtube, in H.S games and college games. In a open gym setting many big men can look liek sf but when i comes to the games that's when you really find out who can do it and who can't. He has shown nothing when it counts as far as being a guard. He's shown bits and pecies as far as being a SF and that has been him getting a rebound dribbling up the floor( while being guarded by a slower big man) and stopping at the free throw line then passing it to a guard or someone who can really handle the ball. He's way less effective as a player when he is away from the basket because he's not a good shooter and his handles are shaky when he is being pressed.
Duncan had pretty good success in college same with Shaq,Demarcus Cousins,Roy Hibber,Brook Lopez
Jones is a PF who has good enough handles to go past other PF, his handles is too shaky to play SF at this point. Like i said before youtube highlights are different from a actualy game and he hasn't shown he is a ideal fit as a SF in a actual game no matter how many people or writer's or you're friends want him to be. Those same people wanted the same thing for Randolph and Bender and other bigs who showed some handles in open gym aau no defense ball. Even the other Jones on that team has better handles and he's about the same height(better shooter as well)
im not referring to any open gym highlights an open gym can make anyone look like a superstar there are few things you can take from an open game that actually translate to a game time situation so Im not talking about that. Ive never said he could be a guard, and obviously hes not gunna run the point on any plays lol he was a freshmen whose not even a 1 or 2 guard on a team filled with good upperclassmen some of which at that position. (Side note thats why I hate this one year of college rule wer limiting hs players to go to a select amount of competitve schools where in many cases theres already older players at their position who maybe are slightly slightly worse as far as college game goes but have "earned their playing time" so we trap these players in college for more than just a year not to mention a season where they dont play much) To be a small forward in the NBA you dont need to be able to bring the ball up and run the point they are very few who do that, you wach too much lebron, as a SF in the NBA you need to be able to shoot and beat the guy off the dribble as far as offense is concerned since defense is a rarity at any position. He has the ability to do both of those very well. And asides from Duncan who was a unique example and very classy as seen with him volunteering to take a salary reduction a few years ago to keep the core group in san antonio the guys you listed aside from Hibbert who I enjoy watchin they were all forced to go to college so those examples go out the window cause they didnt have the opportunity to skip college for the NBA and you coulda thrown out Blake Griffin in that list and Kevin Love to make yourself look better. As for Hibbert he wasnt a top 15 prospect so as far as skipping college is concerned that wasnt an option it was very rare back then for guys not in the top 15 to skip college. And I specifically said in our modern game not 20 years ago when shaq was drafted.
Im done arguing with you since this is an argument that can go on until a year and a half from now pretty much. I started this thread to see if other people thought he would be successful also not to pick apart his game like wer actually scouts and compare him with other failures since there are way more failures than success stories. A similar argument could have been made several years ago when CP3 was coming in and people questioned how well a 6ft pg will be in an NBA which has gotten much taller and looks for their pg to be around 6"3-4.
Exactly and Miller is way more qualified to play the SF then Jones is. Jones is gonna be working on that Block and going on the wing when he has a slow footed PF/C on him.
Terrence Jones is a more advanced Sf then Perry is and he still has work to do as well, At least he has shown the ability to transition there a couple of times in a REAL game
With all that said if he works on his handles and jumper he can eventually become a NBA sf but he's not there yet. And i never see star in him because he doesn't have that mind set that stars have (they come in thinking they are the best and they don't just defer to a chucking upperclass man)
"Jones has better work ethic based on what? from watching them they both have low work ethic and i'd rate Perry's even lower because he took alot of plays off."
Based on Scott Drew calling him a hard worker. No one has ever accused Anthony Randolph of working hard ever. EVER. Don Nelson exactly said the exact opposite. I also don't think Jones is going to stay the same in terms of his skills. Coach Drew has said he's been working on adding different dimensions to his game. I think Jones proved that he's at least a hard worker in the weight room last year because he put on about 10 lbs of muscle, after coming to college weighing about 220 he finished the year at 230. He's probably going to be closer to 235 or 240 by the end of this year too. You can just get a feel that he's going to improve, because he got better as last season progressed. Most players regress when the conference slate starts and he didn't, so that speaks to him improving. He has work to do, but he's promising. More so than a guy like Anthony Randolph.
Thats what you're coach is supposed to say. Rarely do you see a coach say a kid isn't a hard worker when ased by the media. I go by watching him play and seeing how he doesn't always put max or even medium effort. You can tell the hard workers by how they perform. If a player is very talented but his performance is average or even below average at times chances are they aren't a very hard worker and they just get by on there physical gifts. Some of the best players have doen that (Shaq). They are the guys you always say " man he could be so much better and i don't understand why he isn't" or some type of excuse is made like "refs don't let him play,Coach don't let him play, Teammates don't get him the ball"
I'm sure even Big Jones fans will agree he is very talented but they feel he should be doing more than he is doing. I've never watched him in H.S but from what i have read he never dominated 1 game. He put up around 15pts and 10 reb playing against good comp and sometimes bad comp but still never dominated. Even in the Youtube clips in the highights aot of those AAU games he didn't Dominate. Has the sill to do it but does he have the mind set and the drive. Could be the Next Tmac but could also be the Next Randolph or lower level Odom who you say " man he could be so good if...."
"Thats what you're coach is supposed to say. Rarely do you see a coach say a kid isn't a hard worker when ased by the media."
Don Nelson didn't say Anthony Randolph was. Neither did Mike D'Antoni. But I guess since coaches are supposed to say it then it must not be true.
I believe less of what i hear and more of what i see. And watching Perry Jones play doesn't show a kid who is a constant hard worker. He won't be confused with Tyler Hansboro as far as his working hard. Watching someone play seems to show how hard they really work don't you think. If you were scouting a kid and the coach said he always woks hard but when you watched him you saw he was talented but sometimes walked up the court in the first half or didn't box out or jogged down the floor (not saying Perry did all of this all the time) i'd hope you would listen to watch you saw instead of what the coach told you
Hey NYBALLAS, take the shit out of your mouth when your talking about the Cavs. They have youth, flexibility, and a new promising front office/coach combination. You sound like a media hor for the Lebron's an &$#%#[email protected]! defense.
"Watching someone play seems to show how hard they really work don't you think."
I think so. That's why he played better in the conference slate than he did in the non-conference stretches, when most cases prove the opposite. That's something I already talked about in a previous posts. That's why he got bigger and stronger. If you improve as the season wears on, you have to be working hard and improving. I think it was clear that he was improving as the season wore on and I think that speaks to his work ethic, especially in comparison to a guy like Anthony Randolph, who didn't get much better, bigger or anything in his years at LSU, GSW, NYK, or for the T'Wolves. If coaches talk about how hard you don't work like they did with Randolph, as opposed to how hard you do work like they did with Jones, I think it's fair to write off the comparison. He doesn't even play the same type of role as Randolph. The comparison isn't that close to me. I think anyone at Baylor would be happy with the progress he made last year. And that improvement will continue to show next year
He did progress(like most freshmen do naturally) and im sure fans are happy but anyone that knows his skills expect more then what he did and maybe a switch will turn on in his head for him to produce more(history shows it probably wont happen)
Actually he didn't play much better although he had a couple of good games in the conference but after that Texas A&M game he played below his averages in the next 8 games putting up 11.6ppg and 7.6 reb (up from 7.2) and 1blk a game. He actually degressed towards the end of the season scoring wise and progressed just a tad bit rebounding and shot blocking wise
As a whole he played much better in the conference slate than he did in the nonconference slate....That speaks to improvements. Sure he didn't dominate, but he was relatively consistent and he got better as the season wore on. Droughts are not uncommon for Fr., and for his drought to be 10 ppg, 7 rpg and about a block a night he didn't fare so bad after the Texas A&M game. There have been much worse cases of Fr. hitting the Fr. wall than that. Especially since he did well prior.
I'm sure some fans expected him to have a Michael Bealsey-type impact because people on this site expect that. Anyone who saw him play in HS knew he wasn't that type of player though, and I think he did fine for the way the team was made up. He's got to improve, but most Fr. do. I think he's different than Randolph, and that comparison basically stops at them being slim guys from Texas.
"maybe a switch will turn on in his head for him to produce more(history shows it probably wont happen)"
For every Tim Thomas or Johnathan Bender, there is a Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Alridge type who was criticized for their toughness, aggressiveness and motor. I certainly see more Aldridge and Gay-type upside than Thomas or Bender. Those guys settled for jump shots and were wings, Jones just needs more polish to his game and more assertiveness. Those things are easier to come by than letting yourself get out of shape, playing on the perimeter too much, and not working hard
Physically freakish, organic skills, and seems to be a great kid. However, dont see his demeanor as being a 1st option type guy on the next level. Unselfish to a fault and just not assertive enough. Could be a Pippen type with his all around game though and there is nothing wrong with that.