Perry Jones III and Jared Sullinger
Perry Jones III and Jared Sullinger in my opinion need another year of college basketball. Perry Jones III has not improved enough and plays far too timid to move on to the next level and be productive. Jared Sullinger needs to work on his lower body and find more definitive post moves, as well as work on his post defense. Opinions..?
Sullinger game against NW just now was Beast like tho lol. 22 pts. 18 rebs.
Just because he lacks one or two things doesnt mean he's not ready for the nba I may be young but I dont know any centers or pf besides duncan and maybe brook lopez that came to the league in the past decade plus post polished.
Sullinger will do good on the next level If he can improve those areas you spoke of in the coming years and put on some more muscle because after losing weight it seem he doesnt have the same power hes not the same unmovoable object he was freshmen season but he can play longer and move faster So I say he needs to hit the gym and gain more then what he lost. No doubt he should come out every defense is meant to stop him and he still destroys and ppl fail to relize that he maybe the the only nba talent on the team I dont think buford will last long if drafted we see it all the time.
perry jones has shuted me up..atleast for now.
Sullinger doesn't need to stay , he needs to go to the nba right now before his draft stock gets worst . He does need to get stronger though if he wants to be something special in the nba . I kinda see him as a al Jefferson type of guy and his post game is great he doesn't need much more moves but a Rasheed Wallace fade away would suit him well.
Jones needs to leave immediately, because his stock will only drop further if he sticks around at Baylor. His game isn't particularly suited to the college ranks, and he's playing without a pass-first PG to get him good looks. He's still being considered a lottery pick, so I'd leave before another year without a huge leap hurts his stock even more.
Sullinger is the same to me, he's learned all he can in college, the main issue he faces is conditioning, which will be easier to fix in the pro ranks than at OSU. Another year would only hurt his stock more, Sullinger is a steady player who should get to the NBA as soon as possible.
I think that Sullinger needs to go pro just so that he can focus solely on getting his body into the best shape possible. What ever that is for him.
IMO I think they both should have come out last year. Neither of them have really improved their stock and an extra year in the NBA would have given them a chance to learn from the best and play within a pro style offense.
i seriously don't know what to do with sullinger in my draft. i don't know how successful he'll be in the nba. he scores a lot by something like overpowering in the post, awkwardly jumping(barely) into the defender and hooking it in, not smooth at all. i know there are un-athletic successful players like him but im not completely sold on his offensive game translating to the league. still top 10 tho.
reminds me of Carlos Boozer somewhat... The thing about big men in college is it's hard to get good looks... Very few post players get room to display their offensive skills... I've watch a couple of OSU games and teams play them similar to Cincinnati... Zone or Double Sully (or Gates) and force other folks to beat you... You can't over power 2 dudes man...
Perry has that LeBron in him... Meaning he doesn't understand he's the best player on the floor every night... He should demand the ball and live with the results- win, lose, or draw... Yeah some of it is his PG fault BUT it also has a lot to do with his demeanor... 15-20 shots he should take per game... I know that's too many for college but he's really that good...
and well, everyone here is a fan of pj3's potential. he shows a nice stoke on his jumper and FT shot(.684%), is already a freak of nature with his length and mobility and still has room to improve athletically by putting on some more weight. but he's all about inconsistency, one game he plays like a top 3 pick the next 1 he busts out. i think that if the right team and the right coach can get him he can be on to something tho.
also, is there a case to be made that sullinger is a lil rich man's jamychal green? green not being in the site's mock and sullinger being top 10.
Been dominating since HS... He's also more polished than Green and produces more... Not to mention younger... A little?? I would say A LOT...
i personally cant believe people arent high on sullinger as a top 5 pick, lately he's been rippin down boards.. honestly i think he'll have one of the best pro careers out of this entire upcoming class..
in his last 7 games he's been averaging 19pts 9 reb's 0.7blk's 1.5 stl's while shooting like 60% from the field.. honestly if he is chosen behind moultrie or lamb ill be amazed...
point being is, im not a fan of average sized pf's that are not fit, not athletic yet scores by overpowering the defense, plays average defense with average wingspan. i don't see a top 5 pick... at least his jumper shows some promise!
he could be the next big baby davis for all we know
Another year in college does NOT help guys develop neccessarily. If they aren't developing in college, but have strong work ethics then they will develop more in the NBA. Look at all the straight HS to NBA guys that learned excellent fundementals and improved exponentially. It's everyone from Kobe to Jerm. The only exceptions are injury guys like Bender and Livingston! And even then, they're now financially set as opposed to a year of college. Come on!
No way, on either one.
Sullinger is one of the most polished forwards in the NCAA. He's put up 17/10 in two consecutive years while playing on one of the top 15 teams in the NCAA. He's lost weight since last year, and is a top 10 ( probably top 7 or 8) pick in this draft. Another year, IMO, he would risk getting another injury while probably not improving his stock much, and for a guy who has a pretty NBA ready offensive game, I think throwing him in the mix with the big guys is best for his development.
Jones has disappointed, but he's still riding some of that potential and will be a lotto pick this season. If he came back, put up 18 and 10 then it would be worth the gamble, but if he doesn't and puts up 14 and 7 again then the questions will continue to rise and I think he'd be out of the lottery in the 15-20 range. For Perry, going pro isn't because he's super ready, its more stock and self preservation. Another average year or even an injury would seriously derail his chances of being a lottery pick. This season, he's proved he's not top 3 or 4, but he's still going to be in the green room. Next year, he might not be.
Both of these guys need to enter the draft. Sullinger has already stayed a year too late and has probably cost himself a shot at top 5. Jones should come out too. These two guys are only going to hurt their stock if they stay another year.
The thing with Perry Jones is that he actually wants to come back to Baylor and most likely would if his mom wasn't having heart complications that are gonna force him into the draft. A shame too because he seems to really enjoy college and wants to improve as much as possible both on court and off court before making the leap to the league.
Perry don't really need anymore weight he's already really ripped. He just needs to fine tune his outside shot. If he can expand his range to the NBA 3 point line then sky will really be the limit. A consistent jump shot is really all that seperates him from being at the very worse a Paul George type player in the league.
But everybody doubting Jones is going to be pleasently surprised when he hits the league because he's just not being used right at Baylor. It's easy to say somebody should take 15 shots, when they only get the ball on offense like 12 times during the game. There is no reason why Baylor isn't feeding PJ3 the ball more other then the fact they're team is filled with gunners. You got Pierre Jackson who you can't even knock for taking so many shots cuz he's shooting an outrageous % from 3. So is Haslip. Then you got Quincy who himself should be a lottery pick but is relegated to taking smart shots instead of displaying his talents.
Drew isn't hindering his players from being noticed. People aren't cooling on Perry Jones because he doesn't shoot 15 times. Look at Duke, North Carolina, those teams constantly are STACKED and really spread the ball around, yet that doesn't stop people from being on Harrison Barnes or Austin Rivers.
It's what happens when he gets the ball, paired with his overall motor and inability to come up big.
Perry Jones shoots 11 shots per game, that is 3 more than anyone on Baylor's team! They do spread the ball around, but you seem to be painting the picture of poor Perry Jones calling for the ball, wide open and Haislip and Jackson just chucking 3 pointers. Baylor does spread the ball around, but Perry Jones gets more shots than anybody else on the team.
Harrison Barnes shoots 13 shots a game, Thomas Robinson shoots 12.7, Jared Sullinger shoots 11, Brad Beal 10.7 , Moutrie 10.6 when you look at a lot of the high profile players it's not that big of a difference. One maybe two shots per game, some less. Anthony Davis shoots 8 shots a game and averages more points than Perry.
See where I'm going here? You don't need 15 shots per game to get noticed, Perry plays very inconsistantly, disappears, is reluctance to take contact, doesn't play strong around the hoop on a regular basis and for a near 7' footer with very good athletic ability blocks 1 shot per game!
This is not woe is Perry, while everyone else in NCAA who is doing well shoots whenever the hell they want! That is simply untrue.
Sullinger will be a bust if he doesn't work on more than "2" of his NEEDED skills for the next level.. He will not be successful at the next level without improving his post offense, OVERALL defense, toughness, Basketball I.Q.. The list goes on...I'm a fan of Sullinger but he isn't pro ready. He won't show positive results for at least 2-3 years if he comes out now. Perry Jones III needs another year hands down.
And not the actual games... Of all the games Baylor loses only TWO he shot over 10 shots... In the Mizzou lost he was 4-7 with 8 points... I think how far Baylor goes is predictated on Perry Jones... Yes he's reluctant to take contact but he should shoot more... Or at least get more touches... I know damn well I'm no the only one who noticed 5 straight possessions w/o your best player touching the ball?? That's a problem... Rudy Gay used to be the same way...
And Sully will be alright... He's better than what Mike Sweetney was... Also the NBA PF position isn't ruled by 6-10 to 7 foot players anymore... If I was to take an educated guess 6'9 is the average... Which Sully is around 6'8 and 6'9... Not that big of a deal if he's been dominating for a long time...
Yeah, that's because his coach isn't afraid to pull someone who's not being effective. I watched both KU losses and one to Mizzou and the reason they lost wasn't because Jones didn't shoot enough. He wasnt being effective so he was pulled.