Perfect Fit for Cousins
IMO, it's the Toronto Raptors. Hear me out. It seems that what Cousins needs most is a hard ass coach to whip him into shape and a pass-first PG to get him to compete. Jose Calderon is one of the most unselfish players in the league, good for 9 assists and he turns it over less frequently than any PG in history (literally). Dwayne Casey is not only a tough motivator but he's also a defensive-minded coach. Another major reason to go after him? The Raptors have the most trouble of any team in the league acquiring talent through free agency, so if you can get a potential all-star (which he absolutely is, even with the baggage) who's basically on a 3yr/$12M deal? Hmmm...
Yes, the Raptors are very deep with good young big men but I really feel like they should take a chance on him; you can never have too much talent. The competition would also encourage him to give his all (if that's possible, I guess). Next year they'll get a potentially great, hard-nosed 7-footer to play alongside him in Valanciunas.
There's no telling what the Kings will ask for Cousins or if anyone will actually want him. Will he be dumped for a 2nd rd pick like Beasley or dealt for a star like when Randolph was traded for Steve Francis? I'm guessing something in between, either a mid-late first rounder or a serviceable starter. If the Kings want young talent, the Raptors can dangle Ed Davis, Jerryd Bayless, James Johnson; if they're not too greedy, Amir Johnson or Barbosa. If they want a lot, Bargnani (who the Raps would more than willingly give up based on his contract/lack of position and rebounding/wealth of other talent young big men), or Ed Davis could be considered a lot too.
So, in conclusion, when you have a pass first PG like Calderon to make him happy and help him reach his potential, a tough, no nonsense, defensive-minded coach like Casey, plus the general difficulty of acquiring talent, plus all the right pieces to offer while maintaining a potentially awesome core that could be DeRozan, Cousins and Valanciunas, why not go for it?
Also, how great of an F-U would it be if the Kings shipped him off to Canada? Their fans deserve better.
I just don't want Cousins leaving Sac-town. What you said makes a lot of sense, but you don't know how it is to be a sac-town fan and suffering dissapointment from underachieving draft picks. We might actually have something here 'head case' or not. I can't go through this again lol. Let Cousins cool off and we'll see if this blows over.
PS: &$#%#&@! PAUL WESTPAUL!
Sacramento should have drafted Greg Monroe, his doing fine now in Pistons,
i dont think greg monroe can average double digit in scoring in westphal offensive system. he can only duplicate, spencer hawes / jason thompson stats playing under coach westphal system.put jj hickson in detroit piston uniform, he can give you monroe stats there. cousins still a better player over monroe.
20/20 hindsight is nice isn't it?
^^^^Yes it is just ask the pistons(2003)
I would have also taken Monroe at the time we knew Cousins was a head case in college and he was susceptible to weight issues as well. Monroe was a good offensive bigman who could pass and was a model student athlete.
What about Cousins to Minny for Beasley and Randolph?
The Kings can really use a veteran superstar to lead, and Cousins is an attractive piece to acquire that veteran superstar. Collecting more young talent isn't going to them any more good. Maybe they can put a package together to acquire Dwight Howard and hope that he resigns a longterm deal, or try to acquire an all-star level PG. There are plenty of teams that would love a talent like Cousins and hope to develop him.
I have trouble seeing the Kings take take on more young big men from the raptors (Amir Johnson/ Ed Davis/ James Johnson?).
I mean, the Kings already have Jason Thomspson/ JJ Hickson/ Hassan Whiteside. These guys are every bit as good as the Raps' young bigs. This would be a sideways move unless a third team is involved.
I don't know if Cousins is willing to just bang down low instead of roaming the perimeter and taking Bargnani's outside jumpers. If he's willing to actually be a center, then the Raps can potentially have a great three big rotation of Cousins/ Bargnani / Valanciunas in the future to build around. 3 solid bigs is nothing to scoff at.
I had a crazy though earlier regarding a Cousins trade. Demarcus and John Wall are buds right? Anyone think Washington would do javale mcgee for demarcus? Both teams aren't looking too good early on, and i realize Washington most likely covets mcgee, but do you think they would jump on a chance to pick up a unique, potentially dominant player? As a Kings fan I'd be ecstatic if this happened.
Cousins needs the right coach so that's what I would look for. Doug Collins would be a perfect coach for Cousins because Collins has the patience and knowledge to get through to Cousins plus Collins is brutally honest with his players which Cousins would have to respect. And Collins is a great teacher, look what he;s getting out of Hawes this year.
Houston with Kevin Mchale is another great option because they have been begging for a Center and would have the chance to get and mold that player, plus they have enough veteran and young assets to trade for him.
But the Kings are not going to just give him away however if a fair deal comes through that makes sense and helps them they would have to seriously consider it.
what the f is wrong with these player. everyone is trying to join a winning team instead of trying to make the current team better
not every team has a good coach because owners try to win by spending the less money and sometimes hire cheap coaches.
Having immature talent is not uncommon. Westpaul just can't handle him. He's got his entire team not liking his offensive schemes.
I don't see Toronto as a solution.
He needs to go somewhere he feels he can win immediately, or be a big part of their future as the franchise player. Toronto knows he wouldn't stick around, and shouldn't upset their current young core.
Charlotte is a possibility, they are in desperate need of a legitimate first option and Silas is a player's coach. They could offer a Biyombo, Augustin and possibly Maggette, or some other combination of players/picks, so long as they don't give up their first rounder for the upcoming draft.
Cousins would undoubtedly be the best player on that roster, and the prospect of being the first option should be enough to convince him to stay.
If Phoenix are committed to rebuilding, they could offer Gortat for Cousins and say, Donte Green. Gortat is a high calibre C, but Cousins has more upside and would be the first option in Phoenix most likely. He and Robin Lopez could form a nice combination for the future, and the Kings get a veteran C who will relish the opportunity to be a team with upside, instead of going down into rebuilding.
Best chance for him to go somewhere that he wins immediately has to be Boston though. If Boston gave up one of their first rounders and maybe Bass, Cousins could probably be had. It just depends on how detrimental Cousins is to their locker room, but the fact that he was told not to come to the game tonight speaks volumes. Kings might just be better off cleaning house instead of holding out for a better deal, because his value can't be too high after this most recent misdemeanour.
The thing that I hate most about the whole Cousins situation that Kahn might turn up to be right when he said that he sees Cousins as a player who makes success at his 2nd team not the 1st one
Seriously though there is a lot of teams he will fit in
Wizards with his friend Wall,Wolves to replace Darko and play with a pass first PG
NO can start rebuilding with him and Gordon
and as you said the Raptors are also a gr8 fit
Best fit is Charlotte. He would be their savior, fans through false hope, owners through profit margins. Make him the face of the franchise let him score 20-points on 42 percent shooting, and market the hell off of his exaggerated success. Kemba Walker, DeMarcus Cousins, along with potentially the oh so fitting UNC star Harrison Barnes when they draft him high this year would actually be a really good core to build around offensively. Not so sure about defensively.
The four best fits I see are NO, Wash, Cleveland and Houston.
The Hornets just dealt their superstar and it is time for them to rebuild. It's also not a basketball market that gets a lot of pub so Cousins could go there and not catch much media attention, while pairing with Eric Gordon to form a nice G-C core for the future. The Kings get a starting caliber C and the anti-cousins who plays D and won't demand shots. The Kings also have tons of cap space to absorb a contract. Framework: Okafor for Cousins.
Washington is a losing team that needs a shakeup. It will be much easier for them to use their future cap room to attract a wing rather than the two big men (Love/Howard) potentially available. Cousins is already tight with Wall and Flip has been known as a players coach throughout his career. The Kings receive another talented big with work ethic questions. They also receive a likely lotto pick as incentive. Framework: Blatche + protected 2012 1st for Cousins.
Cleveland needs talent everywhere. Cousins could be the rebounding/low post scorer to Tristan Thompson's athletic finisher/defender act. The Kings receive a vet big that can score in a variety of ways and is also an expiring contract. Their main attraction is the Cavs first rounder though, which will have less protections than the Wizard pick. Framework: Antawn Jamison, cash + protected 2012 1st for Cousins.
Houston is the best team on this list but they also lack a true superstar. While Scola and Martin are very good, Cousins has the potential to best either by a good margin. The Rockets also have a need at C and several young pieces to dangle that may only need playing time to blossom. The Kings need a talent infusion on their front line. Framework: Cousins for any 2/3 of Thabeet, Patterson, Marcus Morris, Terrence Williams or top 3 protected 2012 pick.
Demarcus Cousins is an example of whats wrong with young NBA players. He thinks he SHOULD be a superstar just because people tell him he COULD be a superstar. He hasn't shown any sings of becoming a star in this league. He keeps making poor decisions on the field and is pretty selfish. I don't think despite of all his talents that he is a good teamplayer. It's a damn shame because Cousins surely is one of the most talented big man in the NBA.
to give you an idea of how big of a head case he is....had teams not been afraid of him, he wouldve went no less than #2 in the draft. had he had been a "good kid" from high school through college, it is not unimaginable that he couldve went # 1 overall. Wall or not. yet a lot of people thought he was an absolute steal at #5.
"to give you an idea of how big a head case he is".... even at 5 he was condisered by other people as a bust and a futur millstone, whereas monroe was still available.
I disagree that Collins is the right coach for him, but truthfully, I dont know what coach would be right. Collins doesnt put up with a lot of B.S. Also, if you have a sense of entitlement, Collins is the WRONG coach to play for. He doesnt care what you did in college or the pros, if you dont follow his philosophy, you will ride pine. The difference between Collins and guys like Adelman and Westphal is Jodie Meeks starting over Evan Turner. Nothing against Meeks, love him...but the point is, if Collins went by talent....he would be starting Turner and Young. If Collins and Cousins were to clash, Cousins would be sitting out a lot more than one game.
also, I dont think its fair to lump everything on Westphal.
there are two types of coaches, those that let you do what you want and those that dont. Westphal let Cuz do what he wanted, but he still wasnt happy.
as far as the chucker theories...ok, lets say I agree...and there is some validity because Reke and Thornton are scorers....then they draft Jimmer and Isaiah, two additional scorers. then they sign a 6'6" center who is not an offensive threat....meanwhile Jason Thompson's role is diminished. It does kinda send a message about where the scoring load is going to be carried....certainly not by the frontcourt. For that, I can see his frustration. The issue is, his attitude and maturity has been questioned since he was in HS. This is just not a good look for him from a P.R. standpoint and I doubt even his agent can control him....hell he was dumbfounded and actually said he didnt know what was going on.....how do you not???
What about the Celtics? Perhaps what would help Cousins more than anything is a group of veteran players to call him out and keep him in line rather than a disciplinarian coach. This is a grown man (sort of) we're talking about. And it's not like the Celtics don't need a Center. They really have nothing except for old Jermaine O'Neal and Greg Stiemsma, who is averaging 3.3 BPG (But how long will that last?). The Celtics are willing to put any of the "Big 3" (Kind of an obsolete term now, but you know what I mean.) on the trading block, they could make this trade happen. Let's face it; pretty soon, the C's are gonna have to enter rebuilding mode so why not give Rondo something to work with? Besides Jajuan Johnson and E'Twaun Moore, of course. Cousins is a talented big man who, with some discipline (a lot of discipline), could be a star. I wouldn't want him on my team, but I think the Celtics would be a good fit.
you are absolutely right. Cousins was picked over Monroe because of upside, but Monroe was a safe pick.
check this out though....Cousins is not only hurting himself, but he is also hurting his good friend...Reynardo Sidney. after this debacle....no way I touch Sidney....even as a free agent rookie. the only difference between the two is Cousins, although has been overweight before has been able to control his weight a lil better than Sidney. but the entitlement, the fist-fights with teammates, the immaturity....mirror image.
Of course sidney appears now as a timebomb....
But basically nothing really changed : those kind of players have always been high risk high reward profiles. I never really understood why they are so attractive fro GM : they cause you management issues whereas the reward of this development always comes too late : for example sheed was really successfull after his blazers years.
Finally you end developping a player and a man (with all the difficulties involved) and see him bringing success for another team....
Why do the Kings want one of the C's big 3 who would probably retire than actually show up in Sacramento? That would have to be a 3-way deal at the least but truthfully, the Celtics have nothing of value to offer.
Nobody tell me that anyone in that draft was going to take greg monroe over demarcus cousins. That was simply not going to happen, headcase or not, you have take a flyer on someone with as much potential as cousins, especially at the 5th pick. Monroe is a great player, but I don't think any team saw him as a better prospect than cousins.
Toronto is interesting but if we assume they want to keep Bargnani then would Geoff Petrie consider Davis or Johnson as a fair trade value? Cousins's trade value is at an all time low now and a veteran GM like Petrie will not do a fire sale trade just for the sake of it.
DMC is on a rookie deal and the Kings don't have a luxury tax liability so to keep him does not burn a whole in the finances.
If Boston want to start rebuilding then they have picks due and can send that plus JO's expiring deal as a decent package.
As a Phoenix fan I'd like DMC on our roster as Nash and Hill can guide him but I'd want to keep Gortat so maybe Morris or Robin Lopez and or pick combo.
Houston again have assets especially young bigs like Thabeet and Hill so they could offer a reasonable deal.
Charlotte is interesting and has Diaw's expiring deal so the Kings could send DMC and a salary dump but Charlotte would not want to give up a pick so maybe a future right to exchange picks but not this year.
Detroit has been mentioned and they do need size and I also feel that Monroe may be more a PF, Dumars could offer up a decent package built around the younger swingmen if we assume that the Kings would not want Stuckley or Gordon etc. Also with Big Ben at the Pistons, DMC would have a great mentor and Coach Frank would keep him in line.
I think you all forgot the situation between Cousins and Westphal........The two met and started to argue, Cousins said "If you don't want me, trade me" Westphal, then proceeds to go out on his own to the media proclaiming Cousins has demanded for a trade, when he never did. I know Cousins is acting immature, but he's still a kid, no excuse for a head coach to act this way in public and throw a player under the bus, total lack of leadership, shows why he should never have been a head coach, aside from the fact he is a terrible coach. At the end of the day this will cost Westphal his job, even though his crappy record was going to get him fired. Anyways Sac-Town could work, I like Philly or Houston with the two coaches and a solid supporting cast to allow Cousins to get easier looks. Overall, Cousins has not played well this year and needs to pick it up!