[festar35Participant]

So sounds like Indiana are going to go one of 2 directions and that is acquire someone to help PG turn Indiana in to a contender or trade him blowing the whole team/direction up.

If we trade George the deal I want is one with Boston, revolving around Brown and the 2018 pick then just simply some salaries to match. That Brooklyn pick is big, because I look at the other teams that may try for George being Lakers, Sun, Mavs, Magic etc. that pick is potentially getting pushed into the late lottery or even George could get them into the playoffs as the 8th seed is wide open in both conferences.

Lakers don’t have much I like, Ingram seems like a nice player but outside of that Russell, Randle, Clarkson I don’t really want any of them as don’t see equal value.

Suns I would want Booker as he could be an equal talent to PG……maybe but I doubt they offer him up. Haven’t seen enough of Chriss at this early stage of his career, he does show potential.

Mavs think Cuban would give up Barnes and 1st rounder then go all in on free agency to build around PG, having him there would help attract talent but they risk a one year rental with PG free agent at end of 2018.

Magic don’t really have any of that elite talent or prospects Indiana would be looking for.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

Boston has THIS YEAR’S Brooklyn Nets pick (Top 3 LOCK) and Jaylen Brown as Trade Chips, throw in Rozier and this is a great package for Indiana to walk away with…

Los Angelos has a Top 3 pick ATM (although chances are they improve enough to lose this pick to Philadelphia because it’s only Top 3 protected) and Brandon Ingram as Trade Chips, throw in Randle or Russell and this becomes another great package to walk away with…

My major hangup would be, does Boston push all their chips to the table and give up Brown + Brooklyn’s 2017 1st Round Pick to challenge Cleveland and Golden State with a lineup of Thomas/Bradley/Crowder/George/Horford…

Does Magic have enough sway to make the move for Paul George already, does Luke agree with a move that brings in PG13?

Would LA be willing to give up Ingram/Russell and Their 2017 or 2018 Draft pick???

 

If I’m already assuming Philadelphia takes the Laker’s 2017 Draft pick after adding George and a handful of meaningless wins, wouldn’t this be a thought running through the Indiana GM"s head?

Philadelphia owning the rights to LA pick if if lands outside the Top 3 could actually be holding back the Lakers from trading for Paul George, I’d imagine The Pacers would accept a deal for PG13 if they were assured the rights to Ingram, Russell and a Top 3-5 pick in THIS Draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Jackson, Isaac)

Otherwise, why not trade George to Boston for Jaylen Brown and Brooklyn’s Top 3 Pick in 2017? Add a Sf in Browm and a PG like Fultz/Ball or Smith Jr with the assets from Boston, and hopefully they can off load Teague and Ellis to bottom out and add Monk with their own pick…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[negguaryParticipant]

lakers probably the team to get the deal done! According to USA Today that are actively pursuing trade with pacers. Also, this is the type of move magic was bought in for. Magic and Jeannie are on the same page that they need star power and it only starts with one solidified star to sell the purple and gold to another  high level free agent. So this is exactly the type of move magic would make! Don’t think they are high on the draft and development path! 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I think all talks start and end with Boston, no matter how much LA wants him.  They can’t compete with an offer that Boston could put together if they wanted him bad enough.

And on top of that, I don’t know that I would support this move anyways.  Not because Ingram and Russell are so good that I can’t bare to lose them, but because it ultimately does nothing for the Lakers in their current position.

If the Mozgov and Deng contracts weren’t a thing and they had a real possibility to build a team around George than that is one thing.  But that is not the reality that we live in.  Those contracts do exist, and they would make it damn near impossible to put any reasonable pieces around PG.  

Lakers are not a superstar away from anything.  Sure, they are a superstar away from having a superstar, but that doesn’t mean anything.  What incentive would PG have to stick around?  He would basically be playing on Pacers West.  

Lakers need to just stay the course, accumulate enough talent so that adding a piece like PG to them is a good step.  But gutting the very few assets they have to add a superstar, equates to winning the headlines.  Fuck the headlines.  There are no shortcuts that are going to be had here, and no matter what getting PG doesn’t put them anywhere close to the Warriors or the Spurs out west.  I have a hard time believing that it even makes them a guaranteed playoff team.

 

 

 

 

[mcbaileyParticipant]

 As a lifelong Pacers fan, I hope a George for the Boston package deal somehow goes through. I love PG, but the last thing I want is for the team to forfeit its future, invariably fail (who could we possibly get to make us contenders at this point?), and then lose George to free agency anyway. We’ve seen how the all-in approach has worked out in the past, since Brooklyn is the NBA equivalent of Chernobyl at this point.

 

I can’t imagine any scenario under which Paul stays anyway, so if Indy can get anything in this scenario, I’m good with it.

 

 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 @MagicJordan…

I usually agree with 99% of what you post on here but I think your wrong here IMO. 

Paul George (to me) is a top 10-15 player in the league. If you have a chance to get that kind of talent, you do whatever it takes. Are you really that high on Randle, Ingram, or Russell? I dont have a horse in the race, and im not calling any of those players busts by any means, but Id trade all 3 for PG13. 

George wants to be a Laker, Im pretty sure hes from out there and I bet the only reason the Lakers are even in on the race against Boston is because agents work behind the scenes and PG13 wants to be in LA and they probably have some sort of promise. Now this is all speculation but yes, ultimately Boston holds the cards because they have more trade assets than any team I can really remember. 

All in all, I think the lineup of:

1 – Thomas 

2 – Bradley

3/4 – Crowder

4/3 – George

5 – Horford

…is a better lineup than Cleveland and Boston should do whatever it takes to get George. And if im Boston, Butler is my backup plan but your not getting both picks or Crowder for Jimmy. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 No, it’s not that I am that high on them so much as a move like this dooms the Lakers to mediocrity for the forseeable future.  That’s never been good enough for the Lakers.

If this was even 5 years ago, I’d say sure.  But free agents aren’t going to be migrating like they used to, especially ones that move the needle.  I think those days are gone.

So because of the worst contracts in the NBA (Mozgov and Deng), they will have an inability to surround Paul George with even decent talent.  They certainly, at that point wouldn’t have anybody even as good as Miles Turner on the roster.  

Like 8 baby mommas, Lakers were burned by Dwight Howard.  Granted they gave up damaged goods to get him, it’s still a move the Lakers are recovering from.  I’m not convinced that there would be enough in LA to keep George on the roster past next year.  Especially if he misses out on the super designated player contracts like many believe he will.

It’s not so much about the talent going out as it is, there are no moves to be made once we acquire George.  Like none.  They won’t even have assets to use to try to dump the Mozgov and Deng contracts at that point.

 

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 That would free up space.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I wish there was a way to hold off on trading Paul George until the draft lottery was decided. 

As of now, I think Boston can offer the best package for him, but what’s not being mentioned is that Paul George can be a free-agent next summer. If Boston doesn’t feel confident he’ll re-sign, there’s no way they’d make the deal. 

I’ve read that George prefers to play for the Lakers and if he wants, he could force the Pacers’ hand in regards to dealing him to LA or lose him for nothing. If he was smart though, he’d be down with going to BOS. If they were to get George (without giving up their main guys), there’s no doubt in my mind they could beat CLE and challenge GSW. 

 

 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 What kind of package do you think it would take?  I’d prefer to trade the 2018 Brooklyn pick but I’m sure the Pacers will demand the 2017 pick.  I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing happens with PG now but the trade is revisited around the draft.  

[festar35Participant]

The package I would take is fairly simple in the 2017 pick, Brown, Rozier and Johnson ($12mil expiring kind of necessary) for Paul George and Boston can have their pick of Ellis, Stuckey or Miles to go with him. (I think Miles would play well for Stevens and seems like an awesome team guy and he would get far better looks than what he does in Indiana)
Could also take or leave Rozier with likely pick being Ball or Fultz.

Larry Bird is not known for his patience so if he is going in rebuild mode that 2017 pick would have to be part of the deal or I think he simply walks away.

Boston need a guy like George (or Butler) as they have a good team but the talent ain’t getting them past Cleveland and to me the Wizards are a more talented team as well with a young trio of Wall, Beal and Porter. Another lottery pick as high as it is does not help that Championship contention.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

Being able to keep Crowder and Bradley would make it easier to give up the 2017 pick and Brown.  If Bird is impatient wouldn’t he want one of Crowder or Bradley?  George is a better fit than Butler so I’m willing to give up more assets to get him.  Getting CJ Miles would also be a nice pick up in your proposed trade.  

[festar35Participant]

I like Crowder and Bradley, but both are the same age as George and my whole point would be to go younger and develop the team.

Once all the the deals are done etc. I wouldn’t expect Indiana to be truly competitive for 4-5 years when both Crowder and Bradley would be 30-31 years old coming down the other side of their prime and potentially be unhappy in Indiana. Bradley has 1 year left on deal so could see him bolting for a title contender.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The fact that the Pacers most likely aren’t requesting Bradley or Crowder in a trade makes them a better trade partner than the Bulls, who are wanting Crowder.

I agree with the trade you proposed 100%. Personally, I’d also want that kid Guerschon Yabusele too… That may be a little too greedy though I suppose lol. 

[festar35Participant]

If Lakers seem like the team the trade I think would be:

Ingram, Nance, Clarkson, 2017 or 2018 first round pick and 2017 2nd round pick for Paul George.

(Ideally love to offload Ellis’ contract but Indianah would then need to receive one of Russell or Young to work it financially, Randle’s contract is about $1mil too low)

[joe2324Participant]

If I’m on the Celtics, I look at where we are with what we have. We’re very close to getting the #1 seed in    the playoffs and we have the nets pick this year and next which should result in even more young talent. Why make a move now to possibly win a championship when your on track to building a dynasty with all those picks and adding them to a solid team with a good young coach. I would say those picks are off limits.  

[mcbaileyParticipant]

 Nobody thinks the Celtics are much of a threat to the Cavs. The playoff seeding doesn’t really matter, if we’re being honest, and nobody on the team is a lock to even come close to being on the level of George. If Paul was smart, he’d go there and sign an extension, because that team would be good for a very long time. He’s that kind of player. Indy just isn’t a great situation for him anymore because Bird gutted the team and filled it with aging role players and inefficient scorers.

 

I think Boston does a deal for George every day of the week unless they just ask for too much. It’s just if Indy wants to part with George, which is sounding more and more like an improbability. 

 

 

 

 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

True…I guess my point is: you get the superstar, and worry about the other stuff later. I think youre in mediocrity either way, why not swing for the fences. I understand your apprehension considering you follow the team a lot more closely than I do. Id take a team full of scrubs with Paul George over a lot of teams in the NBA and i think once you get someone like him, it makes it a destination again. 

All it would take then is Westbrook or a player like that going to LA to play with George and instantly make you guys contenders or at least a tough playoff team. 

I dont think George is stupid, he knows if he goes to LA it might take some time. But youre where you want to be with an organization who has proved not to be scared to make a move (considering this all goes down lol)

[OhCanada-Participant]

 PG is the only player on the market Boston should target. This guy is a stone cold killer in tournament play and a serious competitor. I also think he is a true superstar and ahead of Butler in terms of talent. When he is at his best he is one kf the best this league has and really jumps into the elite tier of NBA players.

If I’m Indiana I don’t trade him.

 

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