[festar35Participant]

The season isn’t too far away I have no idea who will be the SG for Indiana this season anyone got any ideas? I hope they give the job to George but i’m not sure they will.

[butidonthavemoney]

They won’t.

Depending on where they put Granger, it will be Jones or Dunleavy starting at SG.

[butidonthavemoney]

They won’t.

Depending on where they put Granger, it will be Jones or Dunleavy starting at SG.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

I know he’s a Rookie…But Wtf happen to the Lance is this years Tyreke talk??? Let him play, if he is this years Tyreke trade Granger and start the road to rebuilding

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

I know he’s a Rookie…But Wtf happen to the Lance is this years Tyreke talk??? Let him play, if he is this years Tyreke trade Granger and start the road to rebuilding

[CodySLCParticipant]

Stevenson is a good young player in his own right. But no Tyreke Evens by a long shot. I know Brandon Rush has had some off the court problems, but he also has a good chance and being the starting 2 if he pulls it together after his suspensions up.

[CodySLCParticipant]

Stevenson is a good young player in his own right. But no Tyreke Evens by a long shot. I know Brandon Rush has had some off the court problems, but he also has a good chance and being the starting 2 if he pulls it together after his suspensions up.

[llperez]

its wide open in my book with dunleavy, jones, george, and rush all solid candidates. I think none of them see 30 minutes a game though so they will share the duties. Also, has there been any news on the stephenson situation?

[llperez]

its wide open in my book with dunleavy, jones, george, and rush all solid candidates. I think none of them see 30 minutes a game though so they will share the duties. Also, has there been any news on the stephenson situation?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

I hope the start either Stephenson, or better yet George and let Stephenson come off the bench to fill in for both guard spots.

Collison
George
Granger
Hansbrough
Hibbert
Is a long lineup with a tough front court, but they would be even more dangerous if they started:

Collison
Born Ready
George
Granger
Hibbert

I like this lineup more

[Mr. 19134Participant]

I hope the start either Stephenson, or better yet George and let Stephenson come off the bench to fill in for both guard spots.

Collison
George
Granger
Hansbrough
Hibbert
Is a long lineup with a tough front court, but they would be even more dangerous if they started:

Collison
Born Ready
George
Granger
Hibbert

I like this lineup more

[omphalosParticipant]

It really depends on what happens off the court. I really think if Stephenson is cleared and allowed to play he’ll be the starting 2 by the end of the season with George coming off the bench as an energy guy while he develops more, Stephenson seems to have the more NBA ready skillset.

Indiana are a team I’m really rooting for the make progress this season, but a lot of it will come down to Danny Granger stepping up as leader and playing consistently good D. There’s no Gay, Odom or others to step up and play for him on this team.

[omphalosParticipant]

It really depends on what happens off the court. I really think if Stephenson is cleared and allowed to play he’ll be the starting 2 by the end of the season with George coming off the bench as an energy guy while he develops more, Stephenson seems to have the more NBA ready skillset.

Indiana are a team I’m really rooting for the make progress this season, but a lot of it will come down to Danny Granger stepping up as leader and playing consistently good D. There’s no Gay, Odom or others to step up and play for him on this team.

[NYK2010Participant]

It’ll be Jones most likely even if someone else gets more playing time.
They might do what Denver did and have him start the 1st and 3rd qtrs.

[NYK2010Participant]

It’ll be Jones most likely even if someone else gets more playing time.
They might do what Denver did and have him start the 1st and 3rd qtrs.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Forget about whos starting at SG, what about whos starting at PF.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Forget about whos starting at SG, what about whos starting at PF.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Tyler Hansbrough is going to start power forward that didn’t draft him in the lottery then trade away Murphy for nothing. Danny Granger measures out at 6’7.5″ meaning he’s a legit 6’9 in sneakers by NBA Standards and has a 7’2 wingspan. His no jump, not max vert, but not jump vert is around 31″ but combined with his length it gives him a total no jump max reach of 11’2″ in comparison Carl Landry and Paul Milsap both have 11’2″ no step vert total reaches. This is a good stat in indicating how a high a player can get off the ground for a rebound because you usually never get a running start to grab a rebound meaning its all about your reach and no step vert. I give you them numbers to prove to you that Danny Granger’s size is perfect to play a stretch 4 in Jim O’Brians offense which is very similar to the one the Magic run. So if Tyler aint ready to start which I think he is, or if he aint playing well the Pacers would be best suited starting a young and athletic lineup who can all shoot, dribble, pass, and defend:

Collison
Born Ready
George
Granger
Hibbert

With Dunleavy coming off the bench being able to fill on for 3 positions and Tyler coming off the bench bring energy and hustly to the second unit down low Indiana fans IMO have alot of reason for optimism. Jim O’Brians a philly guy he likes to run on offense a drive and kick system using stretch four’s hoping he can get players open 3 point look, and that the other players will be able to grab an offensive rebound if not. That lineup right there gives him the best chance of doing that. Granger, George, and Collison can all hit the three, especially Dunleavy when he comes in. And Collison and and Stephenson can definitely get to the buck or kick it out if nothings there.

Anybody disagree?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Tyler Hansbrough is going to start power forward that didn’t draft him in the lottery then trade away Murphy for nothing. Danny Granger measures out at 6’7.5″ meaning he’s a legit 6’9 in sneakers by NBA Standards and has a 7’2 wingspan. His no jump, not max vert, but not jump vert is around 31″ but combined with his length it gives him a total no jump max reach of 11’2″ in comparison Carl Landry and Paul Milsap both have 11’2″ no step vert total reaches. This is a good stat in indicating how a high a player can get off the ground for a rebound because you usually never get a running start to grab a rebound meaning its all about your reach and no step vert. I give you them numbers to prove to you that Danny Granger’s size is perfect to play a stretch 4 in Jim O’Brians offense which is very similar to the one the Magic run. So if Tyler aint ready to start which I think he is, or if he aint playing well the Pacers would be best suited starting a young and athletic lineup who can all shoot, dribble, pass, and defend:

Collison
Born Ready
George
Granger
Hibbert

With Dunleavy coming off the bench being able to fill on for 3 positions and Tyler coming off the bench bring energy and hustly to the second unit down low Indiana fans IMO have alot of reason for optimism. Jim O’Brians a philly guy he likes to run on offense a drive and kick system using stretch four’s hoping he can get players open 3 point look, and that the other players will be able to grab an offensive rebound if not. That lineup right there gives him the best chance of doing that. Granger, George, and Collison can all hit the three, especially Dunleavy when he comes in. And Collison and and Stephenson can definitely get to the buck or kick it out if nothings there.

Anybody disagree?

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

I would like to see George get an early shot. Rumor is he was their hardest worker during some of the conditioning workouts this summer. I think a young player like him needs experience asap and it could pay huge dividends to play him even if it mean taking a step back at first. But with that said, theres no way he gets the start over a healthy Dunleavy in my mind. Key word being healthy.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

I would like to see George get an early shot. Rumor is he was their hardest worker during some of the conditioning workouts this summer. I think a young player like him needs experience asap and it could pay huge dividends to play him even if it mean taking a step back at first. But with that said, theres no way he gets the start over a healthy Dunleavy in my mind. Key word being healthy.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Wow I forgot that the Pacers have acquired James Posey, and I still can’t get use to Dahntay Jones being on that team. I just looked up their Roster and this actually looks like a pretty ingtriguing group of guys (Apologies in advance for using pretty and guys in the same sentence.)

Brandon Rush is the X-Factor he would no doubt be there starting two guard if he gets his head together and makes progress. He did the same thing in college got just a little bit better each year but nothing to say he is a changed player. So it comes down to who they think theyre future is and I don’t think Rush is in there plans hence the reason I didn’t use him in my projected lineups. Earl Watson, Jeff Foster are good bench players…and how is TJ Ford still on their roster for some reason I though he was shipped during that 4 team Complicatia of a trade. anyways I stand by my small lineup as thinking is the best way to go for the Pacers. I believe in playing you 5 best players. And if anything would change it would be starting Jones of Stephenson untill he’s ready for the job which won’t be long. But I think I found my team in 2K! Collison, Born Ready, George, Granger (yawn), Hibbert with Jones whose a dunking freak too. I like Magnum Rolle too but he will probably suck in a video game.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Wow I forgot that the Pacers have acquired James Posey, and I still can’t get use to Dahntay Jones being on that team. I just looked up their Roster and this actually looks like a pretty ingtriguing group of guys (Apologies in advance for using pretty and guys in the same sentence.)

Brandon Rush is the X-Factor he would no doubt be there starting two guard if he gets his head together and makes progress. He did the same thing in college got just a little bit better each year but nothing to say he is a changed player. So it comes down to who they think theyre future is and I don’t think Rush is in there plans hence the reason I didn’t use him in my projected lineups. Earl Watson, Jeff Foster are good bench players…and how is TJ Ford still on their roster for some reason I though he was shipped during that 4 team Complicatia of a trade. anyways I stand by my small lineup as thinking is the best way to go for the Pacers. I believe in playing you 5 best players. And if anything would change it would be starting Jones of Stephenson untill he’s ready for the job which won’t be long. But I think I found my team in 2K! Collison, Born Ready, George, Granger (yawn), Hibbert with Jones whose a dunking freak too. I like Magnum Rolle too but he will probably suck in a video game.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

Lance Stephenson was never Tyreke. Reke is much more dynamic, quicker, and in better shape. As a Pacers fan I was happy when they drafted Lance because I thought he could be productive enough to become a tradeable asset before he got into any more trouble. Now thats out.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

Lance Stephenson was never Tyreke. Reke is much more dynamic, quicker, and in better shape. As a Pacers fan I was happy when they drafted Lance because I thought he could be productive enough to become a tradeable asset before he got into any more trouble. Now thats out.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

@hiphopismylife…..besides basketball its mine too but neways…

I believe they should start George over a healthy Dunleavey, because George is there future, there should be no doubt about how high they are on him after passing up several big men all easily better then Tyler, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Larry Sanders, and them big men fit the type of defense O’Brians like to run which is zone sometimes but whatever the setting OBrians loves big long shot blockers who can ignite a fastbreak so I doubt it was his descision to draft George but Bird. With that being said Jim is notoriously a rookie hater so it is going to be interesting.

THe reason i would start George over Dunleavy is because Dunleavy can player 3 positions off the bench well, he can play both guard spots and probably both forward spots he is 6’9 with a basketball IQ higher then Eminem before Recovery, and he can really dribble, pass, and shoot. But in reality Dahntay Jones will probably start because he plays better defense then them.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

@hiphopismylife…..besides basketball its mine too but neways…

I believe they should start George over a healthy Dunleavey, because George is there future, there should be no doubt about how high they are on him after passing up several big men all easily better then Tyler, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Larry Sanders, and them big men fit the type of defense O’Brians like to run which is zone sometimes but whatever the setting OBrians loves big long shot blockers who can ignite a fastbreak so I doubt it was his descision to draft George but Bird. With that being said Jim is notoriously a rookie hater so it is going to be interesting.

THe reason i would start George over Dunleavy is because Dunleavy can player 3 positions off the bench well, he can play both guard spots and probably both forward spots he is 6’9 with a basketball IQ higher then Eminem before Recovery, and he can really dribble, pass, and shoot. But in reality Dahntay Jones will probably start because he plays better defense then them.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

hiphopismylife you’ll be happy to kno that Lance Stephenson and Tyreke Evans had virtually the same high school hype, in fact Stephenson more a way more highly touted High School playing even getting the cover of numerous Mags including Slam comparing him to LeBron when he was just a sophomore. Like It’s crazy that I’m from Philly and knew about Stephenson before I knew about ‘Reke…Probably because Born Ready went to the same High School, Lincoln, as Marbury and Telfair and became the first player in New York to lead his high school to 4 straight titles and surpassed Telfairs scoring record in the process which in dramatic fashion he broke it in the championship game of title number 4. But despite being that good he wasn’t able to make the US-U18 team because of chemistry issues.

‘Reke tho he has always been known around the city since he was in grade school too, never got the nation attention of scouts untill his sophomore year at American Christian Academy thats when the Kobe Bryant (who played high about a half hour away) comparisons began being the talk of the town. ‘Reke got into trouble too in high school after one of his cousins was shot ‘Reke was apprehended and under investigation for being the driver of a car involved in a drive by…?…By his own admission he was driving but didn’t have any control over his boys actions and was unaware he was going to shoot and in classic Philly fashion his boy manned up and took all the blame letting ‘Reke off who was cleared to play in the McDonalds all American Game where he won MVP.

In 2006 a documentary featuring the top 8 High School players in the nation was being filmed and both Born Ready and ‘Reke were featured in the film Born Ready being the youngest player in the film.

Even more similar then their troubled yet publicized High School career, and the fact they look like, because they do, and besides they play alike, because they do, the are both scoring guards who use their strength to bully defenders into the lane. But lets take a look at the tape:

Tyreke Evans: 6’4″w/o shoes 221 lbs 6’11 wngspn 8’8″ stndreach 7.1 bdy fat 34″ mxvt 7 bp 11.81 lne agiltiy 3.17 crt sprnt
Born Ready :6’4.5″w/oshoes227 lbs 6’10.5′ wgsn 8’7″ stndreach 9.3 bdy fat 33’ mxvt 10 bp 11.39 lne agility 3.38 crt sprnt

As you can see both “Reke and Born Ready have almost identical measurements, Reke a lil shorter but his wingspan is a littler long, Reke got a lower body fat but Born Ready puts up more on the Bench Press, Born Ready’s slower in the 3/4 court sprint but got Reke beat in the lane agility.

With that said tho Lance Stephenson is not as good as Tyreke Evens because Evans has a higher basketball I.Q and more moves, not to mention he is just a better shooter and passer. But Lance Stephenson is no slouch and even on the NBA level just like with Tyreke last year, guards are just not gonna be able to keep Born Ready out of the lane when he really wants to get there, and he has the strength, length and body control to finish once he gets there and draw the foul.
It begs to question what kind of Freshman year would Lance Stephenson had if he went to Kentucky and John Wall went somewhere else? I think Born Ready would of found himself in the lottery I dunno what do ya’ll think?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

hiphopismylife you’ll be happy to kno that Lance Stephenson and Tyreke Evans had virtually the same high school hype, in fact Stephenson more a way more highly touted High School playing even getting the cover of numerous Mags including Slam comparing him to LeBron when he was just a sophomore. Like It’s crazy that I’m from Philly and knew about Stephenson before I knew about ‘Reke…Probably because Born Ready went to the same High School, Lincoln, as Marbury and Telfair and became the first player in New York to lead his high school to 4 straight titles and surpassed Telfairs scoring record in the process which in dramatic fashion he broke it in the championship game of title number 4. But despite being that good he wasn’t able to make the US-U18 team because of chemistry issues.

‘Reke tho he has always been known around the city since he was in grade school too, never got the nation attention of scouts untill his sophomore year at American Christian Academy thats when the Kobe Bryant (who played high about a half hour away) comparisons began being the talk of the town. ‘Reke got into trouble too in high school after one of his cousins was shot ‘Reke was apprehended and under investigation for being the driver of a car involved in a drive by…?…By his own admission he was driving but didn’t have any control over his boys actions and was unaware he was going to shoot and in classic Philly fashion his boy manned up and took all the blame letting ‘Reke off who was cleared to play in the McDonalds all American Game where he won MVP.

In 2006 a documentary featuring the top 8 High School players in the nation was being filmed and both Born Ready and ‘Reke were featured in the film Born Ready being the youngest player in the film.

Even more similar then their troubled yet publicized High School career, and the fact they look like, because they do, and besides they play alike, because they do, the are both scoring guards who use their strength to bully defenders into the lane. But lets take a look at the tape:

Tyreke Evans: 6’4″w/o shoes 221 lbs 6’11 wngspn 8’8″ stndreach 7.1 bdy fat 34″ mxvt 7 bp 11.81 lne agiltiy 3.17 crt sprnt
Born Ready :6’4.5″w/oshoes227 lbs 6’10.5′ wgsn 8’7″ stndreach 9.3 bdy fat 33’ mxvt 10 bp 11.39 lne agility 3.38 crt sprnt

As you can see both “Reke and Born Ready have almost identical measurements, Reke a lil shorter but his wingspan is a littler long, Reke got a lower body fat but Born Ready puts up more on the Bench Press, Born Ready’s slower in the 3/4 court sprint but got Reke beat in the lane agility.

With that said tho Lance Stephenson is not as good as Tyreke Evens because Evans has a higher basketball I.Q and more moves, not to mention he is just a better shooter and passer. But Lance Stephenson is no slouch and even on the NBA level just like with Tyreke last year, guards are just not gonna be able to keep Born Ready out of the lane when he really wants to get there, and he has the strength, length and body control to finish once he gets there and draw the foul.
It begs to question what kind of Freshman year would Lance Stephenson had if he went to Kentucky and John Wall went somewhere else? I think Born Ready would of found himself in the lottery I dunno what do ya’ll think?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Sorry for the crazy long post I may start another topic comparing Reke And Stephenson because they’re similarities always intrigued me and Born Ready’s game is tailored made for the NBA so he won’t struggling playing in this style of ball, because there is nobody to take off the dribble in a 2-3 zone.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Sorry for the crazy long post I may start another topic comparing Reke And Stephenson because they’re similarities always intrigued me and Born Ready’s game is tailored made for the NBA so he won’t struggling playing in this style of ball, because there is nobody to take off the dribble in a 2-3 zone.

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

doesnt deserve to start
he had character issues comming into the league
and he proved he still has thos issues when he was beating up on his girl

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

doesnt deserve to start
he had character issues comming into the league
and he proved he still has thos issues when he was beating up on his girl

[JoeWolf1]

Rush is only suspended for a couple games for smoking weed. I think he’s going to end up being their starting shooting guard next season. He is exactly what they need, a very good perimeter defender, good size and the ability to hit open jumpers. He is a better player than Lance and George right now, and if Rush is going to be penalized for smoking some weed, I don’t see how Lance isn’t going to be for throwing his girlfriend down a flight of stairs.

Some of you guys have Rush on the 3rd team behind two rookies? As a starter last year he averaged 10 points 4.5 rebs, .7 steals and .8 blocks (3rd among guards) and only 1.1 TO (2 rookies like Lance and George would turn the ball over way more) as well as shooting over 40% from the 3 point line. He may get traded or outplayed down the line, by George or Lance, but he’s the better player now. He won’t start opening day because of the suspension, but I think he’ll be their starter for most of the season.

[JoeWolf1]

Rush is only suspended for a couple games for smoking weed. I think he’s going to end up being their starting shooting guard next season. He is exactly what they need, a very good perimeter defender, good size and the ability to hit open jumpers. He is a better player than Lance and George right now, and if Rush is going to be penalized for smoking some weed, I don’t see how Lance isn’t going to be for throwing his girlfriend down a flight of stairs.

Some of you guys have Rush on the 3rd team behind two rookies? As a starter last year he averaged 10 points 4.5 rebs, .7 steals and .8 blocks (3rd among guards) and only 1.1 TO (2 rookies like Lance and George would turn the ball over way more) as well as shooting over 40% from the 3 point line. He may get traded or outplayed down the line, by George or Lance, but he’s the better player now. He won’t start opening day because of the suspension, but I think he’ll be their starter for most of the season.

[JNixonParticipant]

Paul George isn’t ready to start. He’s too raw right now. He should be brought along as a rotational player, probably along 15-20 mpg.

I think Dahntay Jones or Dunleavy should start at SG, but I’d go with Jones as they need someone who can defend on the perimeter in the starting lineup, whether it’s for limited time or extended time. If Jones starts, he’d be a starter playing limited time. If Dunleavy starts, he would probably see extended time (25-30 mpg). Also, Rush will factor in the starting role when he serves suspension.

The starting PF spot will be between Granger and Hansbrough, and possibly an outside shot for Josh McRoberts. I tend to think Granger will start though, at least more games at PF than Hansbrough, even though Hansbrough will be a starter a good bit too. That PF spot for them is a weakness though. None of the players in the fold are true starters at PF because either they are probably out of position (Granger), or they are backup material (Hansbrough and McRoberts).

[JNixonParticipant]

Paul George isn’t ready to start. He’s too raw right now. He should be brought along as a rotational player, probably along 15-20 mpg.

I think Dahntay Jones or Dunleavy should start at SG, but I’d go with Jones as they need someone who can defend on the perimeter in the starting lineup, whether it’s for limited time or extended time. If Jones starts, he’d be a starter playing limited time. If Dunleavy starts, he would probably see extended time (25-30 mpg). Also, Rush will factor in the starting role when he serves suspension.

The starting PF spot will be between Granger and Hansbrough, and possibly an outside shot for Josh McRoberts. I tend to think Granger will start though, at least more games at PF than Hansbrough, even though Hansbrough will be a starter a good bit too. That PF spot for them is a weakness though. None of the players in the fold are true starters at PF because either they are probably out of position (Granger), or they are backup material (Hansbrough and McRoberts).

[JoeWolf1]

I heard Jeff Foster at PF….heres the article

With Troy Murphy being traded to the Nets and Tyler Hansbrough’s inner-ear problems still giving him some trouble, it’s possible Josh McRoberts may be the de-facto starting power forward for the Pacers this season.

But Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star wrote that center Jeff Foster may get the gig because McRoberts isn’t quite ready to start.

“Veteran Jeff Foster could fit that role because the Pacers need somebody that doesn’t want to score on the court,” he wrote. “But Foster is 33 years old and he’s coming off back surgery. Foster likes to throw his body around on the court so you have to hope he can handle the grind of an 82-game season.”

Though the Pacers solved their long-standing point guard problem this summer by trading for Darren Collison, it came at the expense of a quality starting power forward in Murphy.

And with little in the way of reliability right now in his absence, the team may struggle with production at power froward this season.

Yet, it’s possible Indiana could swing a deal at some point to get more talent at the position.

[JoeWolf1]

I heard Jeff Foster at PF….heres the article

With Troy Murphy being traded to the Nets and Tyler Hansbrough’s inner-ear problems still giving him some trouble, it’s possible Josh McRoberts may be the de-facto starting power forward for the Pacers this season.

But Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star wrote that center Jeff Foster may get the gig because McRoberts isn’t quite ready to start.

“Veteran Jeff Foster could fit that role because the Pacers need somebody that doesn’t want to score on the court,” he wrote. “But Foster is 33 years old and he’s coming off back surgery. Foster likes to throw his body around on the court so you have to hope he can handle the grind of an 82-game season.”

Though the Pacers solved their long-standing point guard problem this summer by trading for Darren Collison, it came at the expense of a quality starting power forward in Murphy.

And with little in the way of reliability right now in his absence, the team may struggle with production at power froward this season.

Yet, it’s possible Indiana could swing a deal at some point to get more talent at the position.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

I cant lie 19134 you came correct with the stats lol..first with the Pacers..I do agree 100% that they should invest in George and start him right away. Too often the guys who are busts are the ones who don’t get a chance. I say let him show what he can do. Im just not so sure that they will. Back to Lance and Tyreke. I’m really not surprised you heard about Lance before Tyreke because he had major buzz as an 8th grader, which would have made Reke a freshman. Even though I remember him being the number one player in the class that far back he still hadn’t fully developed. Back then he was about 6’2 and skinny. Lance even in eighth grade was listed at 6’3 and 190 pounds, and I was at ABCD camp when he went up against OJ Mayo, which really put him on the map nationally. The problem is we all know buzz can be misleading(Taylor King was once ranked number one in his class). Even though Lance was a celebrity by the end of high school, no major publication had him ranked as the number one player. He had simply developed faster and by their senior year guys like Xavier Henry and John Wall had caught up to him physically. The same way that OJ Mayo was the most famous player in the class of ’07, but by the end had been surpassed in the minds of SOME(before you OJ fans go off) scouts by Eric Gordon and Derrick Rose. Also, high school becomes less relevant when we have college to judge from. Lance averaged 12 and 5 on a pretty average UC squad while Tyreke averaged 17, 5, and 4 while only losing one game after being moved to the point on a good Memphis team. The only case I could make for Lance is that he is as good as Tyreke at dominating inferior high school competition, if not better. But we saw that once he he lost that LeBron-like physical advantage over his opponents, he was far less effective adn at times couldn’t get his shot off. Tyreke depends way less on strength, which he does have and more on his great handle and shiftiness, I say theres no comparison. Im exhausted I dont know if I even responded to everything you said lol. Keep it going man you know your stuff

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

I cant lie 19134 you came correct with the stats lol..first with the Pacers..I do agree 100% that they should invest in George and start him right away. Too often the guys who are busts are the ones who don’t get a chance. I say let him show what he can do. Im just not so sure that they will. Back to Lance and Tyreke. I’m really not surprised you heard about Lance before Tyreke because he had major buzz as an 8th grader, which would have made Reke a freshman. Even though I remember him being the number one player in the class that far back he still hadn’t fully developed. Back then he was about 6’2 and skinny. Lance even in eighth grade was listed at 6’3 and 190 pounds, and I was at ABCD camp when he went up against OJ Mayo, which really put him on the map nationally. The problem is we all know buzz can be misleading(Taylor King was once ranked number one in his class). Even though Lance was a celebrity by the end of high school, no major publication had him ranked as the number one player. He had simply developed faster and by their senior year guys like Xavier Henry and John Wall had caught up to him physically. The same way that OJ Mayo was the most famous player in the class of ’07, but by the end had been surpassed in the minds of SOME(before you OJ fans go off) scouts by Eric Gordon and Derrick Rose. Also, high school becomes less relevant when we have college to judge from. Lance averaged 12 and 5 on a pretty average UC squad while Tyreke averaged 17, 5, and 4 while only losing one game after being moved to the point on a good Memphis team. The only case I could make for Lance is that he is as good as Tyreke at dominating inferior high school competition, if not better. But we saw that once he he lost that LeBron-like physical advantage over his opponents, he was far less effective adn at times couldn’t get his shot off. Tyreke depends way less on strength, which he does have and more on his great handle and shiftiness, I say theres no comparison. Im exhausted I dont know if I even responded to everything you said lol. Keep it going man you know your stuff

[JNixonParticipant]

I think Lance Stephenson would’ve seen a near level of effectiveness on Cincy if he was given the reigns to play PG. That was a coaching error by Coach Cronin, who isn’t a very good coach. He played Deonta Vaughn, a SG trapped in a chubby PG’s body, at PG and as the season wore on Vaughn shot poorly and was relatively ineffective. Stephenson’s stats were modest because he’s clearly more effective with the ball in his hands, and he was an off ball player for Cincy. I think there is a comparison between Evans and Stephenson, although Stephenson is definitely a little less talented and polished.

Also, George isn’t ready to start. He will be able to play, but if you force feed him time you wouldn’t be given yourself a chance to field your best team to win. Give him 15-20 mpg and I GUARANTEE it won’t hurt his development. He doesn’t need to be playing extended minutes.

[JNixonParticipant]

I think Lance Stephenson would’ve seen a near level of effectiveness on Cincy if he was given the reigns to play PG. That was a coaching error by Coach Cronin, who isn’t a very good coach. He played Deonta Vaughn, a SG trapped in a chubby PG’s body, at PG and as the season wore on Vaughn shot poorly and was relatively ineffective. Stephenson’s stats were modest because he’s clearly more effective with the ball in his hands, and he was an off ball player for Cincy. I think there is a comparison between Evans and Stephenson, although Stephenson is definitely a little less talented and polished.

Also, George isn’t ready to start. He will be able to play, but if you force feed him time you wouldn’t be given yourself a chance to field your best team to win. Give him 15-20 mpg and I GUARANTEE it won’t hurt his development. He doesn’t need to be playing extended minutes.

[JoeWolf1]

Yeah, A lot of busts are brought along too quickly and their confidence gets shot, here are plenty of stars that were brought along slowly, Kobe, Dirk, Tracy McGrady, Danny Granger, Zach Randolph, are a few guys that come to mind right off the top of my head

[JoeWolf1]

Yeah, A lot of busts are brought along too quickly and their confidence gets shot, here are plenty of stars that were brought along slowly, Kobe, Dirk, Tracy McGrady, Danny Granger, Zach Randolph, are a few guys that come to mind right off the top of my head

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

You’re right George doesn’t HAVE to start since he is so young. I like those comparisons joewolf because there could be some more turnover within the frnachise so theres no need to being him along too fast. Im just glad larry Bird finally took a chance on a player and dont want him plastered on the bench. But jnixon I saw Lance play last year many times and I just dont see where he could have reached anywhere near Tyreke’s effectiveness. As a pg his numbers would have been stronger but he would have hurt his teammates’ production even more than he did at sg. From high school to the McDonald’s game to college, his biggest weakness to me has been an inablity to play with other talent without keeping their games down, not good for a pg. Also you cannot have your point guard/leader be the guy picking up fouls and getting chippy with the other team’s players. I just dont think his game translates well to a winning cause past high school where he could have his way with the opponents. He really struggled with guys his own size last year.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

You’re right George doesn’t HAVE to start since he is so young. I like those comparisons joewolf because there could be some more turnover within the frnachise so theres no need to being him along too fast. Im just glad larry Bird finally took a chance on a player and dont want him plastered on the bench. But jnixon I saw Lance play last year many times and I just dont see where he could have reached anywhere near Tyreke’s effectiveness. As a pg his numbers would have been stronger but he would have hurt his teammates’ production even more than he did at sg. From high school to the McDonald’s game to college, his biggest weakness to me has been an inablity to play with other talent without keeping their games down, not good for a pg. Also you cannot have your point guard/leader be the guy picking up fouls and getting chippy with the other team’s players. I just dont think his game translates well to a winning cause past high school where he could have his way with the opponents. He really struggled with guys his own size last year.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

He strugggled with guys his size and zone defenses because he excelled in the Summer League where the court was more open and he could just muscle his way to the basket. Plus his ball handling has came a long way another thing that Reke was always great at that Lance was sometimes shaky. Lance got the moves just not the control. I really think that he will do well in the pro’s however and make a lot of people look stupid for passing him up. And I agree that George don’t need to start it won’t hurt his development as long as he gets around 20 minutes a game, but I don’t see any reason not to either. Sure he may not be ready quite yet but he has enough length and athleticism to get him by and the rest of his skills catch up. Plus he can contribute on offense by getting out in transition and hitting spot up threes. Plus his passing ability is better then people think. Him and Collison developing a great chemistry together is integral to the future of Indiana and I agree with JNixon too that Granger should be the starting power forward on that team. Granger is also a good shot block and if he plays power forward he has the type of talent to average 2 blocks again just by helping from the weak side. I compare George’s situation to that of DDR’s last year

[Mr. 19134Participant]

He strugggled with guys his size and zone defenses because he excelled in the Summer League where the court was more open and he could just muscle his way to the basket. Plus his ball handling has came a long way another thing that Reke was always great at that Lance was sometimes shaky. Lance got the moves just not the control. I really think that he will do well in the pro’s however and make a lot of people look stupid for passing him up. And I agree that George don’t need to start it won’t hurt his development as long as he gets around 20 minutes a game, but I don’t see any reason not to either. Sure he may not be ready quite yet but he has enough length and athleticism to get him by and the rest of his skills catch up. Plus he can contribute on offense by getting out in transition and hitting spot up threes. Plus his passing ability is better then people think. Him and Collison developing a great chemistry together is integral to the future of Indiana and I agree with JNixon too that Granger should be the starting power forward on that team. Granger is also a good shot block and if he plays power forward he has the type of talent to average 2 blocks again just by helping from the weak side. I compare George’s situation to that of DDR’s last year

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

I think Lance can be very productive. Im with you on that. Maybe im just not stressing how high I am on Tyreke. 20 5 5 is serious business. I just don’t see Lance being anything near that.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

I think Lance can be very productive. Im with you on that. Maybe im just not stressing how high I am on Tyreke. 20 5 5 is serious business. I just don’t see Lance being anything near that.

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