Im sorry to burst bubbles but can someone explain why in the world are the Pelicans and the Raptors getting SO much hype on here? The Pels moves have been panicky and probably have cost them a shot at truly contending a few years from now. The Holiday trade was stupid because the pick they gave up was only top 5 protected in a what I call a "franchise"draft. Holiday is talented, but not elite. If davis misses 25+ games this team doesnt win 40 games. Lakers will make the playoffs. They had some of the worst luck with injuries and Howard (not all his fault btw) clearly wreaked their chemistry. Bryant will be back before valentine's day. They are old not dead. Their best players are better than N.O's best players, period. As for toronto, everyone is pinning their chances on j-val's summer league performance. Seriously? He is improved but come on. No one on that team is anywhere close to as good as kyrie, a healthy bynum, j. wall, or even josh smith! I admit that toronto has a chance, but it's clearly an outside chance. People dont realize playoff teams dont drastically change year to year...
..and I'd add the Wizzards. Even if healthy their frontcourt is slow and aging plus their draft pick (Porter) is clearly overrated and already looks like a big reach as No.3 in Draft'13.
The Wizards after the all-star break with everyone healthy was like six games over 500...
I don't say they were not but that was with Orlando tanking, Pistons,Cavs and Bobcats ridiculously weak and also tanking. I don't think you consider the fact that Cavs,Pistons and the Raptors have build stronger teams and will be playoff contenders.... So my point and prediction is that Wizzards will fight for the 8th seed nothing more than that. And Im sayin they are overrated not a bottom ranked lottery team. Their maximum for the upcoming season is to get swept by the Heat in the first round of the playoffs.
Pelicans have a good team going. Jrue Holiday is an All-Star pointguard, Eric Gordan(if he isnt traded) is a great scoring guard if healthy, which I concede is a big if, Tyreke CAN be a great distributing combo guard who can finish at the rack. Aminu is a good defender at his position, and can run the floor with the rest of the young runners on this team, and doesnt need a whole lot of shots to be happy, which is a perfect fit on this team. Anthony Davis is a young stud who is already a great defender on the pick and roll and block shots with the best of them, and will only improve as time goes on, and could become a 20 and 10 guy in a few years. Ryan Anderson can spread the floor for Eric Gordan, Tyreke and Jrue to slash to the basket, and they picked up a couple good college guys out of Free Agency and the Draft in Jeff Withey, who could develop into a niche bench big man who can come in and block shots, and Pierre Jackson, who is a great athlete with good range and could end up becoming a solid 2nd/3rd string point guard. They have a very good team going forward and I wouldnt be surprised to see them in the playoffs sooner rather then later.
I think your dead wrong about the pelicans Jrue Holiday is a 23 year old allstar point guard while he isn't a top 5 pg he can compete with anyone. The trade was smart their are really only 5 real potential franchise faces in the draft Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart and Harrison and the pick is top 5 protected so we won't miss out on those guys.Then obviously if Davis gets hurt we will struggle but to say if Davis gets injured isn't a reason to say a team is overhyped a lot of teams will struggle without their best player think of Chris Paul or Tony Parker getting injured. Then you bring up the lakers outside of kobe there's nobody better on that roster Holiday > 39 year old Nash Davis > Gasol IMO Tyreke Evans > Nick Young Ryan Anderson > Jordon Hill. I just think your worried my pelicans will take your lakers playoff spot.
yea jrue holiday is not gonna make the all star team again for a while. last year's all star guards for the west were, kobe, chris paul, james harden, tony parker, and westbrook. Holiday isn't making it past these guys unless Kobe is out past the voting which is not gonna happen. Even still, Holiday isn't even the next guy in line as that will be Stephen Curry. Holiday made it last year because Rose was out and DWill was playing bad but I think we would all agree that Rose and Dwill are both better than Holiday?
You know who else is an "all star" point guard? Devin Harris. Can we save the all star point guard term for like you know like actual all star point guards?
It doesn't matter if he earns All Star birth or not over those guys - he's still likely to be the same ability wise. If not better seeing as he is still only 23 years old.
The fact is, he has reached that level of play, so he is a big commodity.
My beef with the Pelicans is that they have 3 guards who are very good with the ball in their hands, and mediocre guys at SF & Centre positions.
Raptors have a decent following here because pretty much all Canadian members will have some level of support for their national team.
Overrated? I don't think any Raptor fan thinks this team is anything more than mediocre. They have a fair chance at a playoff spot in a very week East. That is about as far as it goes for them.
JV is the real deal so at least there is that to be happy with. Not sure where they become overrated.
A lot of guys love the Jazz on this forum, but they're pretty real about team expectations and generally knowledgable guys.
I'd say the most overrated team on this site, at the moment, is Toronto. They're a better squad than they were last year, and Jonas is certainly improved, but this is maybe a 33 win team. Hansbrough, Daye, Augustine, and Novak are all solid role players, but they don't take Toronto over the hump. I get that they were 17-16 with Rudy Gay as a Raptor, but the last 5 in a row were against playoff teams resting key players at the end of the regualr season. Most teams could beat last year's Bulls squad starting Nazr Mohammad or Boston with PP playing 14 minutes.
No, they won't be flat out bad, I think Jonas and Terrance Ross will be exciting players to watch develop, but they're still behind Washington and Cleveland in my mind and I feel Toronto will be about a 33 win team.
Again, not wanting to exagerate my expectations for the Raptors in any way... They won 34 last season when their own division was fairly strong and they started 4-19. I think they have a ceiling of 40 wins ( more likely 35-37). Slightly better and more experienced than last year - weaker east - especially Atlantic. Still have major depth issues. (No one in Toronoto is getting hyped up over Daye or Augustine - except for the fact that they were very cheep.
If I was to put money on it, I'd agree they are behind Cleveland and likely Washington as well.
As a fan, I do think having Ujiri has upped expectations a little.
Just don't think considdering a team as one of several teams who MIGHT have a chance at the playoffs is really overrating anything.
I get that Casey is a defensive guy, but despite his faults, they'll miss Bargs scoring. Gay is their #1 option now, and he's not efficient in that role and who's your #2 option? Lowry? Jonas? I just don't see where they're gonna get enough points to be a playoff team.
You forgetting Demar? Averaged 18 ppg last year and 16.7 ppg the year before. That's a pretty good 2nd option to me. Demar will be the raptors second option with Gay as their first. While some say he's overpaid and he might be but one thing he can do is score, he's an athletic slasher and finished pretty well at the rim and his mid range has become very good.
I just see Toronto as a much better constructed team this season to compliment Casey and the team first defensive approach.
The bigs can run and score in transition. Demar / Gay / Ross / Lowry all score best in transition.
Offensively they will be going with JV and Amir in the pick and roll much more this year in the half court.
Remember how Ujiri's Denver team worked last season as a collective as far as scoring was concerned. I imagine that is the reason why he didn't dismantle the Raptors out of the gate.
And the player they will really miss this year on the offensive end will be Calderon. Hopefully Lowry can learn to work the pick and roll half as efficiently as Jose did. Luckily Novak should make up for the loss of the three point threat.
I'd say Pistons. Bringing in Jennings and Smith sounds good on paper, but they you have to think about the situation. Who on the Pistons is going to space the floor? Jennings? Stuckey? KCP is a good shooter but in today's NBA you have to have more than 1 shooter.
This team has a lot of big names, but I don't think they mesh well together. A lot of people on this site have them as a potential 8-5 seed, but I think if anything they will be an 8 seed.
How are they going to space the floor?
I gave Joe Wolf a thumbs up!
I am not sure why people think the lakers will be better next year, they lose the Rebound leader, and their starting SG is coming off a ACL inj. I like the pick ups but.. not better then what they had last year.
As for My Jazz, there should be alot of love for them, their potential starting line up could average just over 22 years old, but we are realistic about what we think this team can do, but will be fun to watch!
"and their starting SG is coming off a ACL inj."
Kobe tore his achilles, he didn't do anything to his ACL... Knowing Kobe and how he's always played through pain and injuries, I'm sure he'll be back quick. He's actually already shattering each time table they give him for his comeback. I'm not saying the Lakers will be any good though.
The Jazz are going to have an intriguing starting 5, I can't wait to see what they do. (as long as they stop refusing to play their young players)
As much as i love Kyrie i don't know who the 2nd option is in Cleveland, Bynum? Good luck, i don't think Bynum will ever be motivated without Kobe there to kick him in the a#$, HUGE question mark. For all of Kyrie's talent he hasn't shown he can stay healthy on any level, not that i don't love his game but if Bynum cannot fill that 2nd scorer option then Kyrie will have to do to much which may affect his health. Saying Waiters can be the second option is like knocking Raptor fans for saying they will make the playoffs because of JV's improvement, which by the way Waiters did not show in SL. Given the best C in the East is HIbbert and there are still pretty decent guards in the East, my money is on the Raptors!
What scoring exactly? The Raptors were a better team both offensively and defensively when Bumgagni wasn't on the floor. Can't miss what you don't have!
As a Jazz fan, I have two trains of thought, one I'm OK if they struggle and win 30 to 35 games because this years draft is so strong and could/should make it so the Jazz can get another young player to help progress towards being contenders but I worry that losing will play with their minds and confidence, the Jazz FO have tried to not throw their young players to the wolves by keeping veteran until Favors, Hayward and Kanter have had some experience and I think that will prove helpful but those young players still have to prove themselves , time will tell, this season will be interesting, watching young players develop will have to be the reward, winning probably won't be.
The jazz are also in a good spot in that they can pretty much take anyone in the draft as long as it isnt a short point guard. They have young players at every position. so anyone they get will either start or be a sixth or seventh man
Ok so I get double digit negs for saying the pels and raps are overrated then other posters make points at least halfway backing my position up and get +1s? WTF? Lol...
I think quite a lot of people here give negs too much attention... relax,and just say what you think. I gave you +1 and think you should continue to post threads with no worries about the negs.
NOLA: they have T. Evans now, so Evans will take down that team too.
because what we say is true, and it hurts other peoples feelings!
Go ahead and neg it will show i am right!