I know it's still fairly early in terms of doing mock drafts, but I have 3 guys in particular that are going much too soon in my opinion, and I feel strongly that these players won't go as high as their mock draft position suggests.
Thomas Robinson at #2-I'm nitpicking with my first pick because Robinson is probably top 5 material, but I have no idea why Robinson has jumped over Michael Kidd Gilchrist at the number 2 spot. Yes, he is very athletic, and yes he is a great rebounder, and yes he brings great energy, but he's a little undersized at 6-9 and doesn't a pro-ready offensive game because his post game needs refinement and he needs to work on spotting up. By the time draft day comes, I definitely see MKG gonig over Robinosn and possibly Andre Drummond because his upside is so much higher than that of Robinson.
Arnett Moultrie at #8-He has good height at 6-11, good athleticism, and posted good numbers, but his all-around game suggests that he should be taken late lottery-late teens. My biggest issue with him is his demeanor. His effort level has been questioned, and that can be evident during games, but perhaps even more troubling is how he called out his teammates during their late season slide and failed to step up when his team needed him. His defense can be lackluster, which can be attributed to his lack of motor, and he fails to make big defensive plays (only .8 BLK and .8 STL) Lastly, I have an issue with Moultrie's weight which is listed at 230 pounds, which suggests he might not be quite ready to take on the rigors of playing in the paint in the NBA.
Herb Pope at #36-Now we move on to the 2nd round and this is the singlemost overrated person in the mock draft in my opinion, considering I don't think he should even be drafted let alone early 2nd. I have no idea what's attractive to an NBA team about an undersized power forward at 6-8 that is 23 years old and has what appears to be a serious heart condition. He has some offensive ability (although he never had over 20 points in conference ability), but will most likely be a defensive liability due to his lack of size and athletic ability. The best case scenario I see for him is a team giving him a late 2nd round flier because of his rebounding ability, but I think even that might be a bit of a stretch considering the depth in this year's draft. Good story overcoming his heart condition, but not an NBA draft pick in my opinion.
Those are who I believe are placed too high in the mock draft, who do you believe are the most overrated players in the draft?
You just dissed on Herb Pope.
Dude's quite possibly the best rebounder in the draft, as well as a strong scorer with a good jumper. And he put up his numbers in the Big East.
If puting up good numbers while playing in the Big East and being projected as a one domensional player in the NBA equates to being a draft pick, then my boy Austin Freeman would have heard his name called last year, but he didn't. And last year's draft is nowhere near as talented as this year's.
If I am a team I don't want the 2nd pick , I am not convinced of MKG , Robinson , Barnes , or Drummond being worthy of it. If you don't get the first pick I think you are better off getting the 5th pick and drafting who is left after that unless you are Charlotte. Then if you don't get the 1st pick I think you see MJ try and sell the Bobcats next season just to get out from under the team.
Pope had 20+ points 7 times in his first 10 games against non conference opponents. He only scored 20 points one more time the rest of the season and it was against Stony Brook in his second to last game. He only averaged 12 against big east competition.....
He really is a good rebounder though but realistically I dont see him contributing much if anything at the next level. He might make a rotation as a rebounder off the bench but I see him being a D-Leaguer for life. Thats just me though.
I actually wrote up a forum on how he and draymond green were both playing awesome early on and carrying their team on their backs but Pope and Seton Hall just couldnt keep it up in conference play
I saw Arnett play in person many times when he was at UTEP. The guy would flat out disappear in games and his effort wasn't always there. His numbers this past season were really good though and he is a first round talent. I agree though he isn't a top 10 player because of his on-court demeanor.
the authors of this site are higher on moultrie than all the other draft websites... it is what it is... thats their perogative.. I dont think anyone is really speaking seriously with teams right now so at this point is is all speculation...
I thought The criticism of T-rob, that his game is not "pro-ready" was a very intelligent and neutral was to put it. Personally, I am always weary of the sophmore/junior that has a breakout year, but couldn't do much when they started in college.. usually their bodies and athleticism have taken a leap forward and theya re able to dominate weaker (physically) opponents. Of course, when they come to the league this becomes harder...unless they are blake griffin...Derrick Turner, Evan Williams, Kemba Walker, James Harden, Shelden Williams ... in case you are wondering who I am talking about... And I am not saying that any of these players are busts or that T-Rob will be a bust, but so much of his game revolves around being stronger and more athletic than his opponent and that is just not going to be the case when he gets into the league. I like him as a player but, I would not be supprised if Drummond or Barnes hears their name called second because of their potential or NBA ready aspects to their game...
I personally think Damien Lillard is the most overrated player in the mock hadn't seen enough of him to say he's a lottery pick and who has he played against at weber state, who's to say he's better then cj mocullum and before he decided to come back wasn't even that high in the mock
agree totally about Arnett Moultrie, the most overrated player in this draft, i don't see him being very successful in the NBA, and not because of talent, it just that he's soft, has lackadaisical mentality and lacking awareness and alertness! for that regard remind me some Charlie Villanueva...
I was watching the championship game again last night and it was cleasrly evident that he could not score on J. Whitney in the post nor succcessfully take him off the dribble. I also think his ball handling skills are a bit overated, he can definately put it on the floor and do a side dribble or two against an opposing college bigman of lessr mobility but 'handle' is different . Garnett who he often compared to could handle the ball almost guard like. I think hes still probs the best talent available but player on a stacked team like Kentucky hides alot of flaws I think. Are we looking at Ajinca the US system version (meaning Hs and college)
Just a few thoughts. Hes still number one but I wonder if he really a cant miss pick. Remember were talking number 1 here , franchise changer( hopefully)
You see exactly what I see. As is the case in today's time the hype is swallowing up common sense. Steve Kerr said on Colin Cowherd that he is more skilled now than KG is RIGHT NOW. Laughable. You are saying that an 18 year old is more skilled NOW than a HOF'er who has all NBA teams up and down his mantle? Larry Brown said he compares Anthony Davis talent wise to Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem... Again laughable. This guy averaged 14ppg and 11 rebounds on mostly lob dunks and put backs. Defensively he is amazing. But the hype surrounding him is getting out of control. To me he reminds me of Marcus Camby except not as good at this stage. Marcus Camby was an incredible college basketball player who played just like Davis except better. Would love to see how Camby would be rated if he were coming out now in a big man starved world.
I agree with Arnett Moultrie being overrated. I have him going 17th in my mock draft.
I think Meyers Leonard is overrated and has a good chance of being a bust. He lacks maturity and his demeanor on the court can be horrible at times. He should've used his 7"1 size to take over games in the post. Instead he settled for too many jumpshots. I can see him possilbly being the next Byron Mullens
Anthony Davis he is truly a franchise changer type player thanks to his phisical attributes and skillset combine with ultimate great character, he has the ideal competitiveness, the ideal mentality and feel, the ideal understanding of how to handle himself and knowingness of how to approach the game for making his team successful, it's not coincidence Kentucky finally become a champion in his first year there, although they were young team and although they had talanted groups year after year... his influence is much bigger than the statistics and much more than only immediate observation of the game, he is also a glue, someone who making his teamates better in so many levels.
Wilt had more bombastic numbers and was more flashy than Bill Russell which had more limitations, but Russell is greater player and more winner, cause he was more fundamental, smarter and tougher minded and that is the type athlete Anthony Davis!
I know a lot of people on here like Royce White, but personally, I feel 22 is too high for him. He is undersized from a length perspective at the four, and I don't think he will score down low easily in the NBA or defend the 4 well. On the other hand, as a 3, I think he would clog up floor spacing with his lack of shooting ability and struggle on defense.
I just don't think he is good enough to play point forward in the NBA. He already was extremely TO prone, averaging nearly 4 per game, going against college 4s. Against NBA small forwards, I can't see him having the same success.
Apparently people got mad at my comments about the guys that will likely fall in the 2-5 range , here is the best and worst scenarios I can see for them. I just expect the second pick to be a fringe number 1 option or a good number 2 option and I don't see any of these guys other than Drummond ever being that and he is a big "If" due to his inconsistency and motor.
MKG- best: Igoudala worst:Tony Allen or Pietrus are any of those guys in most drafts worthy of the 2nd pick? I don't think so.
T-Rob- best: stronger Antawn Jamison or David West worst: Patrick Patterson , still don't think any of those guys are worthy of the 2nd pick in most drafts.
Barnes- best: Rudy Gay worst: right handed Morris Peterson neither I feel are worth the 2nd pick
Drummond: best: bigger and stronger Amare worst: Deandre Jordan and I may be being a bit generous on the worst for him
Those are crazy comparison. I think them guys you are comparing them to don't make sense. I think they have way more upside then them guys you naming. Its a toss up for Andre and Barnes being the next Rudy Gay and Amare. Mkg will be really good especially if he ever gets a reliable jumper.
Ok you say you don't like guys listed, somebody has to go number 2 who you picking?
Austin Rivers will turn out to be a good player but right now I don't think he has the strength to go up against SG at the next level... And can't see him playing pg not really worth a top 10 pick
Barnes will go early but his game has Marvin Williams written all over it