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Otto Porter a lock for top 3 pick?

CBSSports.com is reporting that the sophomore SF out of Georgetown, Otto Porter, is already a lock for the top 3, and he will not work out for any teams other than Cleveland, Orlando, and Washington. Sources close to the situation in the NBA have confirmed that they have heard similar things from NBA executives.

What do you guys make of this? If you guys are like me, I've never had Porter fall out of the top 3, so it comes as no surprise to me. He'll more than likely end up in Washington.


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There is a good chance he

There is a good chance he goes in the top 3, but all this is coming from his agent because he declined to work out for the Bobcats who obviously pick 4th. He expects to go top 3 and that most likely happens, but I would not call it a lock by any means.

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Lock!

I think there's no way he falls past the Wizards at #3. I think Cavs might even give him a decent look as well, but I just don't see him falling past #3.

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Otto Porter just doesn't want

Otto Porter just doesn't want to go to Charlotte.

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if Jordan lets Cho do his job

Charlotte wouldn't take Porter anyways. MKG and Taylor were drafted at the 3 last year.

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But when has a Charlotte

But when has a Charlotte draft strategy ever made sense?

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I cant see him getting past

I cant see him getting past the Wizards if this draft goes as predicted but if something crazy happens, like the Magic decide to take Burk and Noel is left on the board for the Wiz, I could see him sliding to the Suns or Pelicans. He would never get past there though..

I think that since he declined to workout for the Hornets (Bobcats) they will pass on him out of spite.. I see Jordan being like that..

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I wouldnt say so mainly

I wouldnt say so mainly because of what Ive heard recently about Wall's request for a "pick-and-pop" guy so its possible Bennett could end up at #3 with Noel/Mclemore in the top two so no its not a lock.

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You make a really good point,

You make a really good point, but I hear Porter is still #1 on Washington's big board with Bennett at #2. I think if Porter goes #2 due to a trade by Orlando or if Cleveland goes rouge and drafts him #1 that Bennett is certainly the Wizards' guy.

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Wizards

It would be very exciting to see Porter go to Washington. I am no Wizards fan, but I like seeing new talent blossom in the league, and the Wizards would have a very interesting trio of Wall, Beal, Porter. This is easy to say, b/c Porter is now the only rookie of the 3, but he definitely seems like the biggest long shot of the 3 to reach his FULL potential. But IF Porter can reach his full NBA potential, I REALLY would like the new look spurs. It would pretty much be a young "Big 3" but instead of a $100 million dollar dinosaur at PF, you have Pg, Sg, Sf.

I always thought a teams dominate players should be a mix of front and back court players. This draft is HUGE for the Wizards, b/c they really are one good player and solid role players away from being stiff competition. But if those back court guys pan out (meaning Porter is drafted), and they have some big dudes who gobble boards, it would be very interesting. Since I have no fan interest in the team I wont make bold predictions, but they would definitely be a team to be reckoned with if this draft pans out....and J Wall stays in the country's capital.

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Lock.

Lock.

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He went to Georgetown and has

He went to Georgetown and has all the ability and smarts to make everybody forget they wasted to pretty good picks 2 years ago on Vesely and Singleton. It just makes to much sense.

Plus I think PHX and N.O. need wing help so bad that they would draft him sight unseen.

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Only thing I think keeps him

Only thing I think keeps him out of the top 3 is if there is a trade, I know Minnesota is wanting to move up and can dangle D. Williams to get in the top 3.

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It really is incredibly

It really is incredibly insulting to claim Porter is a 3 and D guy without star potential as the CBS guy does. Georgetown doesn't isolate players, so Porter didn't go one-on-one a ton, but he scored in the post, ran the floor, moved off the ball to get free on the perimeter and at the rim, crashed the offensive glass, was a smart passer, could shoot, and defended. Apparently, doing just about everything well is just underwhelming to some.

It amazes me how the playoffs can run for two and a half months and people who cover the league fail to learn anything about winning basketball in that time.

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Tourney

Did you see how pathetic he looked at any point during GTown's short tourney run??? How overwhelmed he looked when he was expected to lead HIS team, and lack of skills one-on-one to take over. Yes he plays well without the ball, rebounds, hustles etc. but I think the label of "lack of star potential" right now is pretty fitting unless you can explain how you become a star when your awful with the ball in your hands. Sort of similar to MKG in my opinion, just because they don't pass the "star potential" test out of college, but that's why they are still going to be taken so high. Their lagging skills such as attacking/jump shot are easier to improve than hustle, passing, and off-ball movement.

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Maybe Porter struggled

Maybe Porter struggled shooting during the first round of the tourney, but it was still better than the performances of Trey Burke, Ben McLemore, and Anthony Bennett during the first round of the tournament. And his one-on-one skills are better than Oladipo, McLemore, and Caldwell-Pope, the other wings projected to go top 10.

And Porter is hardly "awful" with the ball in his hands. His dribble is a little too high and he lacks a good left hand, but he is an outstanding passer and shooter who can score in the post and knows his limitations. I'd rather the ball was in his hands than Muhammad's, who is the one wing always praised for their one-on-one game.

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I havent heard much of any

I havent heard much of any praise for Bazz lately, but ya I agree with ball in Porters hands > Bazz. Again, "awful" was probably too harsh and it is only one trait, but still the discussion is about being a top 3 pick so I am not going to compare him to players that are simply considered lesser caliber players.

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He had a bad game. It

He had a bad game. It happens. There are a ton of NBA players whose college careers ended with bad games. Harrison Barnes stopped making shots in February. Paul George closed his college career going 16-53 in his final few games. Eric Gordon was terrible down the stretch and in the tournament. James Harden ended his career with three straight duds. I can keep going with Jrue Holiday, Andre Drummond, etc.

If you judge people off one game, then a lot of dumb thoughts are going to be expressed about LeBron James, as there have been before when he has an off night. Nobody remembers when Michael Jordan went 3-18 in a playoff game when the Bulls were already down 0-2 to the Knicks because Chicago won the series. Kobe went 6-24 in Game 7 against Boston only a few years back, but that is basically forgotten too thanks to Metta. Everybody has bad games.

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One game is a tourney run to

One game is a tourney run to gather major information from? I hate to say it, but G-Town's offense is so slowed down and half court oriented that a team like FGCU caught them totally off guard and John Thompson didnt make the proper adjustments.

What about 18.1 ppg 8.25 rpg 3.4 apg 1.4 bpg 2.25 spg atainst ranked teams including NCAA Champion Louisville, Final 4 team Syracuse 3 times, Cody Zellers' Indiana Hoosiers and Shabazz's UCLA Bruins. His numbers against the best teams in the country were higher than his season averages. One game against a run and gun team doesn't trump what he did when Victor Oladipo was trying to stop him.

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One Game???

Yes basing Porter of that one tournament game is not fair and the description tourney run was bad. But his weakness' during that game were on full display, so we are going to just discount that? Harrison Barnes may have had a bad tourney run, but his offensive ability is soooo much more advanced and better than Porters it is not even funny, Porter does have a more well rounded "better" overall game coming out of college. Yes GTown does nothing to help showcase their backcourt players with their style of play. I was just not impressed with Porter and the ball in his hands, plain and simple. Porter is better w/ the ball in his hands than KCP correct. Problem is I never said he wasn't so that seems irrelevant, especially b/c to my knowledge KCP is not considered a top 3 pick, which is the basis of this post. McLemore I beleive has better skills with the ball in his hands and more skills that translate to utilizing the ball in his hands.

Also the fact anyone brought up or compared Burke's performance and how he struggled down the stretch in the tourney to Porters first round struggles is absolutely insane. Burke was the PG for one of the most dynamic offenses' in the tournament and shot the lights out against Kansas w/ no regard where the 3 point line was. Burke had an awful 1st round game, which actually made it a close game. From their against VCU (who was supposed to be a challenge) he posted 18/7, 23/10 against Kansas, 15/7 against Florida. Porter posted 13 points 11 boards and 3 assits, against Florida....Gulf Coast! Sure very complete stat line for Porter, but I do not find that impressive or any signs of star potential, which is what my post is about. Not whether or not he is a talented player worthy of a top 3 pick. Please do not compare Burkes national championship run to Porters tourney attempt....smh

Porter's performance against top teams were very impressive, but I still see no reason to believe he has star potential. I guess we will wait and see.

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Burke had a bad game but

Burke had a bad game but unlike Porter he had a good team to bail him out of that first round. Burke wouldn't have had a nice tournament run if he was surrounded by Georgetown's supporting cast in that first round game. Great players with star potential have bad games. Porter actually wasn't even bad against FGCU and I didn't see his "weaknesses on display". He played decently, definitely not one of his better games but he was the only bright spot on the floor for Georgetown. Georgetown was just not a very good basketball team. He carried his team all season by himself. When he plays even a mediocre game, like against FGCU, Georgetown loses. He literally was a one man wrecking crew this season to get that team a number 2 seed. If anything his mediocre first round game showed everyone just how much of a star he had to be all season to bring that team anywhere near a number 1 seed.

He has the POTENTIAL to become a star. Does not mean he will be a sure fire star in the NBA but saying he has zero chance for stardom is incorrect. No one in this draft is a sure fire all star so drafting an efficient, 20 year old with potential would not be throwing away a top 3 pick. Porter has potential that is being overlooked because he is such a polished player already. Scouts tend to overlook polished players because they assume they are near their peak with very little room for improvement. Unfortunately people are forgetting that as a freshman Porter was the "raw player" with gigantic potential and now that he improved more than almost any player in college from one season to the next, he's a polished player with low upside. These perspectives are constantly changing, it's not an exact science and Porter does have plenty of room for growth as a 20 year old man with a frame that can add lots of muscle. He's very young still and just realizing what he is capable of on the basketball court. He has very nice physical tools and very good basketball instincts. I don't see how he has no chance to improve even more and become a star eventually.

Saying Harrison Barnes had much more advanced offensive ability in college shows me that you really haven't seen much of Porter at all. Barnes was not a good ballhandler in college and really struggled creating shots for himself and teammates. He was pretty one dimensional player and his strength was his jumpshot. He averaged 1 assist in his sophomore season against 2 turnovers. Porter averaged more assists, less turnovers, more rebounds, shot better percentages from the field, three point line, and free throw line. Porter was incredibly efficient offensively and at times was the point forward for Georgetown's offense.

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Porter

Pretty confused as to why a guy with Tayshaun Prince as his ceiling is considered a top 3 lock. Nothing wrong with Prince, but I'd shoot higher with a top pick.

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Lock means 100% he's going

Lock means 100% he's going top 3. No, he isn't a lock.

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People ding Porter for

People ding Porter for lacking star potential, but is there any player in this draft with dramatically more upside? I agree with BTPH: Porter versatile offensive and defensive game is being overlooked simply because he isn't viewed as a go-to guy. Who in this draft projects as a go-to scorer? Maybe there is a chance that Bennett becomes an elite iso scorer, but that is a long shot.

Porter just averaged a very efficient 16 ppg as a 19 year old sophomore for a slow-paced Georgetown team that shared the ball really well. He has a lot of room to grow both physically and skill wise. He has already shown significant improvement in three point shot between his freshman and sophomore years, and continued improvement seems likely. It is probably to Porter's credit that the use of a comparison to a player who was a key starter for a championship team is seen as a negative.

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on mine he is mock at #1 for

on mine he is mock at #1 for about two weeks now.

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