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Oscar Robertson gets in on the LeBron James talk...

"Yes. LeBron James is in a class of his own." - Oscar Robertson in reply to the question, "Is LeBron James better than Michael Jordan?"

That was his response during an interview while discussing Charles Barkley's comments that LeBron would never be better than Michael Jordan due to him joining the Dwayne Wade and the Heat.

I don't have the link to the interview. I just watched a piece of it on ESPN First Take.

Weigh in. Discuss. Is LeBron James better than Michael Jordan already?


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yeah, another thread has the

yeah, another thread has the link to it. I believe jordan has to be regarded as the goat simply becasue he has very little to no ammunition to use against him. He won 6 for 6 titles and was the mvp every time and probably could have gotten another one or two had he not retired. Kobe has had plenty of bad games in the big games and had shaq for a number of years. Lebron hasnt won anything yet. But if they all played in the same time in their primes, i truly believe the differences between the 3 would be very miniscule and they could one up each other on any given day.

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LLPerez, I completely agree

LLPerez, I completely agree with that, Jordan is the G.O.A.T. because of his incredible talent, but also because of his ability to come up big time and time again. But agree that any one of Jordan, Kobe or Lebron could take it to the other on any given night.

p.s. You had better enjoy that point I just gave you, because we will both be losing several.

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Kobe plays more like Jordan

Kobe plays more like Jordan than LBJ..Lebron's game is similar to Magic's game..But Lebron has athletic skills that are comparible to jORDAN'S..

And to have people say you have the playing style of Magic & the athleticism of Jordan..Really does put you in a class of your own....

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I'm sorry, but LeBron James

I'm sorry, but LeBron James can't even get a seat in the back row of Michael Jordan's class.

IF we're talking about being big and athletic, then yea sure... LeBron is in a class of his own. BUT if we're talking about being a basketball player, NO way is he in a class of his own.

And NO he's not better than Jordan right now. He doesn't have the will to dominate like Jordan did. He doesn't have the killer instinct Jordan had. It's not even close. He doesn't have the complete game Jordan had either... And I'm talking on both ends of the floor.

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I feel like he has magics

I feel like he has magics head for the game and dominiques athleticism. his athleticsim is different from jordans and bryants. kobe and jordan are both lengthy and skinny. lebron is a freight train when attacking the basket more like nique or the mailman but faster. I dont know i feel like saying jordans athleticism doesnt really cover it.

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Let me make this abundantly

Let me make this abundantly clear, I do not think that Lebron will ever surpass Jordan. But, if there is any active player who can do it, it is him. This is why I think it's possible:

1. Kobe is handicapped by how similar he is to MJ. He does all the same things, it's just the overall package is a tiny bit less successful. The key phrase there being "a tiny bit." But the fact that he is a similarly sized 2 guard with similar athleticism, who plays in much the same way, makes it very difficult for him to surpass Jordan. In essence, their games are too much alike.

2. Lebron has an advantage in that he doesn't really play all that much like Jordan. He is more of a facilitator, who can score a ton of points, which he has coninuely done, than like MJ, a pure scorer who can also make his teammates better. He also is possibly the first person in NBA history to surpass Jordan's athleticism.

In summary, Lebron has the chance to pave the way for a new type of super athletic point forward, who can also score at will. Kobe on the other hand is at a disadvantage, because he has to live up to a nearly impossible standard.

Also, I will probably get killed for this, but at least statistically and in terms of results, Lebron's first 7 years in the league seem to closely parallel Jordan's. They were both the best, most talented players in the league, struggling to win championships with supporting casts that weren't up to par. It is doubtful that the second half of his career will parallel Jordan's as well, but it is possible.

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But Indiana basketball, I

But Indiana basketball, I don't think it is fair to compare him to the Championship winning, prime Jordan. Instead, we ought to compare him to the young Jordan, and I think their careers definitely have similar trajectories up to this point.

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It is a loaded question

I can see where many are coming from. There is little to no possibility that LeBron's career will play out as magnificently as Jordan's did. Hence, to me, Michael Jordan is the greatest player to have ever played in the NBA. But, I like what I'm Your Father said as far as not comparing current LeBron James to championship mode Michael Jordan. We honestly do not how much better LeBron James might get, and he is incredibly different than Michael Jordan as a player. But, in some ways, over his first seven years, Michael Jordan is kind of what comes to mind, hence all of the comparisons. Kobe is another player who it might be difficult for LeBron to catch as well, since I think his skill set as a player is more than likely unmatched by possibly even Michael Jordan. But, I do agree with Indiana Basketball in that LeBron does have a lot to prove. He has physical and athletic tools that are second to none who have played the game, but he has to win, it is kind of the standard of greatness that he must live up too.

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LBJ is not better than Jordan now or will he ever be...

Do we not remember MJ hitting game winners in College...winning National Championships and shortly into his NBA career taking the torch from Magic and Bird by force...LBJ has had a great career but he's not in MJ's league as far as having the total package of skills and determination to be the best... Jordan would have never left the Bulls to join Clyde's Blazers...Hakeem's Rockets... Ewing's Knicks... Malone's Jazz...Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers

he mad it a point to stand his ground and destoy his competition every game...LBJ is trying to piggy back his way to the Top...using Wade and Bosh (2 other top ten players...and Wade is arguably a top 3 Player...)

He his the Best athlete in the game with 6'10 265 pounds of freak of nature size and speed...he'll put up great numbers any time he hits the floor...but he'll never be the Player Jordan was...now let the Minuses pour in

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LBJ is not better than Jordan now or will he ever be...

Do we not remember MJ hitting game winners in College...winning National Championships and shortly into his NBA career taking the torch from Magic and Bird by force...LBJ has had a great career but he's not in MJ's league as far as having the total package of skills and determination to be the best... Jordan would have never left the Bulls to join Clyde's Blazers...Hakeem's Rockets... Ewing's Knicks... Malone's Jazz...Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers

he mad it a point to stand his ground and destoy his competition every game...LBJ is trying to piggy back his way to the Top...using Wade and Bosh (2 other top ten players...and Wade is arguably a top 3 Player...)

He his the Best athlete in the game with 6'10 265 pounds of freak of nature size and speed...he'll put up great numbers any time he hits the floor...but he'll never be the Player Jordan was...now let the Minuses pour in

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LBJ is not better than Jordan now or will he ever be...

Do we not remember MJ hitting game winners in College...winning National Championships and shortly into his NBA career taking the torch from Magic and Bird by force...LBJ has had a great career but he's not in MJ's league as far as having the total package of skills and determination to be the best... Jordan would have never left the Bulls to join Clyde's Blazers...Hakeem's Rockets... Ewing's Knicks... Malone's Jazz...Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers

he mad it a point to stand his ground and destoy his competition every game...LBJ is trying to piggy back his way to the Top...using Wade and Bosh (2 other top ten players...and Wade is arguably a top 3 Player...)

He his the Best athlete in the game with 6'10 265 pounds of freak of nature size and speed...he'll put up great numbers any time he hits the floor...but he'll never be the Player Jordan was...now let the Minuses pour in

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LBJ is not better than Jordan now or will he ever be...

Do we not remember MJ hitting game winners in College...winning National Championships and shortly into his NBA career taking the torch from Magic and Bird by force...LBJ has had a great career but he's not in MJ's league as far as having the total package of skills and determination to be the best... Jordan would have never left the Bulls to join Clyde's Blazers...Hakeem's Rockets... Ewing's Knicks... Malone's Jazz...Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers

he mad it a point to stand his ground and destoy his competition every game...LBJ is trying to piggy back his way to the Top...using Wade and Bosh (2 other top ten players...and Wade is arguably a top 3 Player...)

He his the Best athlete in the game with 6'10 265 pounds of freak of nature size and speed...he'll put up great numbers any time he hits the floor...but he'll never be the Player Jordan was...now let the Minuses pour in

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LBJ is not better than Jordan now or will he ever be...

Do we not remember MJ hitting game winners in College...winning National Championships and shortly into his NBA career taking the torch from Magic and Bird by force...LBJ has had a great career but he's not in MJ's league as far as having the total package of skills and determination to be the best... Jordan would have never left the Bulls to join Clyde's Blazers...Hakeem's Rockets... Ewing's Knicks... Malone's Jazz...Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers

he mad it a point to stand his ground and destoy his competition every game...LBJ is trying to piggy back his way to the Top...using Wade and Bosh (2 other top ten players...and Wade is arguably a top 3 Player...)

He his the Best athlete in the game with 6'10 265 pounds of freak of nature size and speed...he'll put up great numbers any time he hits the floor...but he'll never be the Player Jordan was...now let the Minuses pour in

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"He his the Best athlete in

"He his the Best athlete in the game with 6'10 265 pounds of freak of nature size and speed..."

Huh????

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I hate how ppl act like

I hate how ppl act like Jordan had no help, yeah he's the G.O.A.T, but he had Pippen who's a hall of famer and in his last three championships had Rodman and from watching that lakers-celtics match up last year rebounds are critical. The most underrated person Jordan had was Phil, before Phil Jackson Jordan was just considered a great scorer, but the media was saying his style of play would not win any championships. When he bought into the triangle offense that he was skeptical of at first he started winning championships.

Phil Jackson has 11 rings for a reason, I don't think Jordan would have won as many championships without him

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Scarecrow I see your point

Scarecrow I see your point about Jordan being clutch before the championships, but Lebron has been also. As I said on another thread, He averaged 38 9 and 7 against Orlando, is that not coming up big? He has also led the NBA in game winners over the past couple years, is that not coming up big?

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yeah, jordan had plenty of

yeah, jordan had plenty of help. The year after he retired in 1993-94, the bulls inserted pete myers into the starting lineup who was a career 5ppg scorer. Pete started all 82 games in jordans place and scored like 7 a game and the bulls still won 55 games and advanced to the second round of the playoffs. They always had an unbelieveable defensive team.

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Do not get

How people who are saying Jordan is better than LeBron think they will be minused? I think the clear consensus is that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of All-Time, but LeBron James has been a great player up to this point, is possibly nearing his prime and has more career left. Michael Jordan is still better though, and I think that LeBron will have to be absolutely ridiculous to surpass him, which I do not see happening. Minus me now?

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hes an idiot... he needs to

hes an idiot... he needs to shut his mouth, def. lebron has like 3 rings by now, and like 3 scoring titles

get the hell outta here robertson... dude is to dumb!!!!!!!!!!!

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- Determination -

- Determination
- Confidence
- Leadership
- Drive
- Will
- Killer instinct. Jordan was a killer.
- Clutch gene. IF you search the definition of clutch gene, you'll find a picture of Jordan.
- Hunger to prove people wrong and just be the greatest.

Jordan had ALL of those things, plus an insane amount of athleticism and skill to go along with it. I just don't see how anybody can declare LeBron better than Jordan. Robertson said LeBron was better than Jordan right now. That's absurd. I've seen LeBron pass up game winning shots. I've seen LeBron look scared at the line during the clutch. Other than being a physical marvel, I don't see how he's even close to Jordan.

And to me Robertson is a bitter man who's probably still mad at the fact Jordan passed him up a long time ago. So now he's shifting his support over to a player that reminds him of himself.

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If he wins as many titles as

If he wins as many titles as MJ and puts up near triple double numbers I can say he's maybe equal. I think his talent level is as close as we have ever seen to being the best. We have never seen someone as athletic as this guy with this skillset and size. If he just won 1 title and plays like h does now for a while I'd say he's in the top 10

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he put up pretty much the

he put up pretty much the best single season ever besides oscars triple double season last year... so id gotta go with oscar there... but hes still gotta win 6..

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Its funny,but when i was in

Its funny,but when i was in high school, Oscar was invited to speak to our team before he were to play in a tournament..Someone asked him what he thought about Micheal Jordan? Oscar said he loved Jordan's determination and competiveness and Jordan was the best player he ever saw.But then he shocked all of us by calling Jordan a Cocky Ignorant SOB, becuz he heard someone say Jordan said that he was overrated and David Thompson was a better player then him....

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I guess it's payback time for

I guess it's payback time for Oscar.

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LeBron's athleticism and

LeBron's athleticism and overall abilities surpasses MJ, but MJ's boy of work cannot be denied. LeBron's "weaknesses" is his D, mid range game, and free throw shooting. Considering how hard it is to play defense now, I would give him a very, very small pass on D although his on ball D could be more intense. His mindset and drive is the main thing that is different from MJ. If MJ had LeBron's body and athleticism, he would have been even more of a beast. If LeBron had MJ's mindset, he probably would have won a championship last year. MJ is the greatest player of all time, but LeBron really could be the greatest. LeBron just needs some championships along with the video game stats he puts up. I don't think there has ever been a player that is an unstoppable driver (literally), scorer, and an elite passer.

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&$#%#&@! oscar robertson

&$#%#&@! oscar robertson seriously!!!...

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MikeyV Were you referring to

MikeyV

Were you referring to me?

If you were, I thought I was going to lose points because I suggested that Kobe and Lebron could both hang, with MJ. My point being that they probably have just about as much talent, and thus would have a chance to outduel him on any given night. I have found in the past that even suggesting that someone could beat Jordan has lost me many points.

What I was trying to say was that Jordan wasn't God, he had bad games just like Kobe and Lebron. What made him the G.O.A.T. was that Kobe/Lebron type talent, combined with the highest intensity we have ever seen.

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True

Yeah, just your comment at the top, but I very much agree with you guys, Kobe and LeBron are not as far behind MJ as players on any given night in their primes. It is just Michael's consitency throughout his career and his ability to lead his team to levels nobody really thought an individual player could go to, that is what makes him the best. His storybook career is just something that I do not think can be emulated, also throw in the fact that neither Kobe nor LeBron has ever separated themselves from the next best player the way Michael did for about 10 years.

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It will depend on what Lebron

It will depend on what Lebron can accomplish when his career is up because honestly Lebron is a freak of nature in the terms of being genetically gifted to be the best basketball player ever. MJ is GOAT mostly off reputation and yes he was good but to sit here and say no one can be better than him is ridiculous. No one will ever duplicate his impact on the league but there will be players better than MJ. It is natural progression.

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Its hilarious how Indiana

Its hilarious how Indiana Basketball has said all of he exact same things they said on ESPN. like word for word.

Needless to say Skip Bayless said them, Skip Freakin Bayless.

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Lebron is not better than MJ or Kobe...

They'll never be another Jordan, Kobe or Lebron

Lebron's height and weight have to come into play too when comparring the 3 players...Mand Kobe are 6'6 Guards and Lebron is possibly 6'10 and 275 pounds....

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MJ

Are people actually comparing MJ and Lebron right now? I can understand Kobe against MJ, even though I think MJ is quite a bit above him. I will say that Lebron should be better than Jordan when it's all said and done, but he won't be. He's bigger and stronger than MJ, but he's missing the will to destroy people every night. I think this will likely be an amazing year for Lebron because he has so much motivation from all directions, but I'm not sure he will be able to keep that up forever. Lebron is the only player in the NBA that can get to the basket every time he wants, but he refuses to do so. The guy is bigger than almost anyone that guards him and he refuses to post up. If we are talking about taking the last shot in a game, there are probably quite a few guys I choose ahead of Lebron in the league. People talk about how athletic guys are now, but you can't handcheck like in MJs day and guys draw touch fouls left and right on the perimeter. Even with these athletic freaks how many of the guys in todays game would you consider great defenders? Artest and Battier are two of the better ones ones , but neither are athletic and their best days of defending are way behind them. A lot of guys that are considered the better defenders are living off reputation and the others tend to do a lot of gambling that would have gotten them destroyed in Jordan's day because guys had refined skills. Guys like Javelle McGee and Julian Wright don't don't get on the court because they can jump high or they can do a little bit of everything, but none of it they can do well.

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@Jammin-LemonOther than

@Jammin-Lemon

Other than LeBron not being able to get a seat in the backrow of Jordan's class, you'll have to tell me what I said word for word. It's common sense what Jordan had that LeBron doesn't, and vice versa. People tend to agree and disagree on the same things for the most part.

I'll tell you what's hilarious... What's hilarious is how you recently said Allen Iverson was a better all-time point guard than John Stockton and Jason Kidd!

What's hilarious is how you said that if LeBron James retired today, he'd be arguably the greatest ever.

What's hilarious is how you said Cleveland was the best team in the NBA last season and predicted them to get through the East, beat the Lakers and win it all... You said Boston was "too old" to beat Cleveland, however... When Boston beat Cleveland, you went full circle saying Boston had the better team and that LeBron's supporting cast was never good to begin with.

What's hilarious is how you were critical of Kobe after missing the game winning shot vs OKC (Pau rebounded and tipped in) in the playoffs last season, despite Kobe having 32 points and making half of his shots. After Kobe missed the shot, you said "Pau should look to lead the team offensively from here on out" lol. You said the Lakers couldn't beat San Antonio, Orlando and Cleveland lol.

Let's not talk about what's hilarious, because I could go down the list on you.

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wow

^^^ wow... that's all I can say

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Iverson was a better PLAYER not Pg than Stockton and Kidd

Neither of the 3 have rings so we can't go by that, and if we just were taking one over the other, who wouldn't take Iverson over Kidd and Stockton...Neither Jason or John could score 50 points, get 10 assist or 10 steals on any given night on any given defender...What are Stockton and Kidd's career highs in points and steals...I bet Iverson has them in that stat...AI was never a Pure Point Guard like Kidd and Stockton and has never had a Malone,Dirk or even Kenyon Martin, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson...He didn't have the teamates to average more assists but he still nearly averaged 7 or 8 for his career...AI is a better player than Kidd or Stockton...not a better PG but pound for pound basketball skill...AI wins the cake

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And Lebron isn't the best player in the NBA today...

The Top players is Kobe...The There's Wade...The There's Duncan( we all forget about Duncan...there is npo better big man in the league better than Duncan...he consistantly wins and plays at the highest level...how many more rings does he have then Lebron...the Spurs are a dynasty and it's all because of the man in Middle...This is from the all time biggest Garnett fan ever... )...Lebron and Anthony make up the 4th and 5th spots...Durant is trying to force his way into the conversation...So if Lebron is arguably not even the best player in the NBA today, how is he arguably the best player ever if he retires today

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All of your posts came

All of your posts came straight from Skip Bayless' mouth. If you guys seen it on ESPN you know that im right.

Now lets blow through your list:

I'll tell you what's hilarious... What's hilarious is how you recently said Allen Iverson was a better all-time point guard than John Stockton and Jason Kidd!

-Ummm, I said he is a better player, which he is...I barely consider AI a pg so I didn't say a better pg... Maybe you can find that quote because I absolutely didn't say that. But as for the discussion, Kidd was not a better player than Iverson and that has been proven throughout the years. Stockton has had a great career, but since they both never won a title you can judge simply off base the argument off basketball, and Iverson, in my opinion was he best player in the game at one point which stockton nevr was.

What's hilarious is how you said that if LeBron James retired today, he'd be arguably the greatest ever.

-He would. By me. And if he had won a championship in Cle. he would have been the GOAT to me instantly. But of course, he has too many haters to ever be considered the GOAT by the general public.

What's hilarious is how you said Cleveland was the best team in the NBA last season and predicted them to get through the East, beat the Lakers and win it all... You said Boston was "too old" to beat Cleveland, however... When Boston beat Cleveland, you went full circle saying Boston had the better team and that LeBron's supporting cast was never good to begin with.

-Thats not hilarious. I was a fan, so therefore I thought/wanted them to win. Im not gonna say "oh yea their gonna ge killed by Boston"...Go ask Dnyce how the Lakers are gonna do this year...or ask LLperez if the Lakers are gonna win..watch what they say. Tell us how you think Eric Gordon will do this year, and lets see what you say.

What's hilarious is how you were critical of Kobe after missing the game winning shot vs OKC (Pau rebounded and tipped in) in the playoffs last season, despite Kobe having 32 points and making half of his shots. After Kobe missed the shot, you said "Pau should look to lead the team offensively from here on out" lol. You said the Lakers couldn't beat San Antonio, Orlando and Cleveland lol.

-Because he is not this never miss in the clutch player Kobe fans claim him to be. He is vry good in the clutch but lets not act like he is some 4th qrt god. He choked in arguably the biggest game of his life in game 7, and I don't care what anyone says, he absolutey did. He missed game winners in TWO other games where teammates had to save his ass. So thats three games in one playoffs that he was not clutch in crunch time. And one game was as big as they get!

Let's not talk about what's hilarious, because I could go down the list on you.

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"I was only ranking SG's

"I was only ranking SG's THATS IT...my bad, I should hae said that...

That means, Magic, Oscar, Iverson, Thomas are all excluded...

MY SG LIST

Jordan

Kobe

West

Wade

Thompson

PG's

Magic

Oscar

Iverson

Stockton

Kidd

Keep in mind that this is strictly off the top of my head!!!" - Jammin-Lemon

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NOW... I thought you said "I

NOW...

I thought you said "I barely consider AI a pg so I didn't say a better pg..." lol? In the post I just posted above from another thread you said, "I was only ranking SG's THATS IT...my bad, I should hae said that... That means, Magic, Oscar, Iverson, Thomas are all excluded."

So if you barely consider Iverson a point guard and you also exclude him when ranking shooting guards, what in the hell do you consider him lol?

And then above, the evidence is there... You have Iverson ranked ahead of John Stockton and Jason Kidd as a point guard.

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And if you read through any

And if you read through any post I've ever made about Michael Jordan vs Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, you'll see I've always said the same thing. I think Michael Jordan is better than LeBron James for basically the same reasons I think he's also better than Kobe Bryant, plus or minus a few details here and there. I literally post the same exact thing every time this comes up.

And I'll tell you how I think Eric Gordon will do this year. I think he'll have a better season and the Clippers will be much improved, but I still have them sitting outside of the playoffs. While other people have said they think Gordon can be a legit first option later on down the line, I've said he's a second option at best. I've been super critical of Gordon. Just recently I said that he wouldn't reach his potential until he improved his handle, mid-range game and stopped waiting for somebody else to make something happen in the fourth quarter.

It's one thing to root for your team and have high expectations, but it's another to literally come FULL circle. You said Cleveland had the best team in the league at the beginning, mid-point and ending of the regular season. You said they'd win it all and you didn't see how an "old" team like Boston could beat them. THEN once Boston did beat them, you started saying how LeBron's supporting cast wasn't good and how they were NEVER a good team. Tell me how in the world that makes sense?

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Iverson is a combo guard, so

Iverson is a combo guard, so you can pretty much list him a one or 2. I usually just associate him with the pg position,... Of course he is not the better pure/pass first pg than Stockton or Kidd, but as a player at that postion he is better.

And you know damn well how thinking your team will win makes sense.

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So nooowww you just associate

So nooowww you just associate him with the point guard position lol... After *just* saying you barely consider him a point guard. O.K.

You're right. I'm through arguing with you. Are you still a Cavs fan, or do you strictly root for the Heat now?

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Sorry had to laugh at this on

Sorry had to laugh at this on another site someone said:

"Funny thing is that Oscar is 100% correct in saying that LeBron is in a class of his own. We haven't seen a player like him ever. The thing is, Jordan is in another class as well. I fully expect people to take what he said out of context and turn this into some MJ/LeBron debate."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMOw2kXHNCM

Oscar was asked if MJ was better than Lebron.
He said Lebron is in a class of his own. @IndianaBasketball He never directly said yes, he didn't say psh...

Oscar Robertson - "Of course he'll never be Jordan. [Is] Barkley trying to say that LeBron isn't as good as Michael Jordan? .. come on!"

Reporter - "What do you think?"

Oscar Robertson - "LeBron is in a class of his own"

And Oscar is 100% correct in saying that LeBron is in a class of his own. We haven't seen a player like him ever. The thing is, Jordan is in another class as well. Jordan is more speed and Lebron is more power.

But of course media and fans want to mince words and Oscar should have known people would take what he said out of context and turn this into some MJ/LeBron debate.

People might say well he should have just said that MJ is better, but that would be like crowning him the GOAT. Let's not forget that Oscar was the best guard of his generation and guys like him do not pay compliments too often.

LBJ/MJ size/style/areas of dominance are so different why people even compare the two is mind-boggling. Just conversation filler I guess.

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Scarecrow Lebron is not 6'10

Scarecrow Lebron is not 6'10 -_-

6'10,265 those are Dwight Howards number

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Jammin-Lemon you got b*tch

Jammin-Lemon you got b*tch slapped in this thread.

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Lebron is closer to 6'10 than 6'9...and I bet a stack he's 270

Lebron is a freak of nature...but he's not a top ten player of all time yet...it's hard too see him or Wade crack a top ten playing together...alone yes they would have gotten serious consideration but now it's like they lessen each other's legacy...In Cleveland LBJ could have become a mountain, it was almost scripted to make him one...He was Paul Bunyon, he was the Ohio River..They literally call it Wade County down in MIA...and they love him forever for helping bring James to south beach...but if you were talking top 10 all players and Wade's name comes up, you'll have a lot of people say " well first he had Shaq, then he gets Lebron and Bosh, i don't know..." Lebron had the talent to lay down a legacy that would be unmatched in a lot of aspects but where he failed was to join Wade to lay down the legacy...sure Jordan had Pippen and Kobe had Shaq...but there seemed to be a natural blend of their talents...Wade and Lebron are basiclly the same players in different positions...and of course LBJ is 6'9 or 6'10 and well over 250 pounds...I would have loved for Bosh to sign in Miami and Lebron his own team( I wanted him to stay home in Cleveland and be Paul Bunyon)

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Is it appropraite to say that

Is it appropraite to say that MJ is a better winner but Lebron a better player ? or is "better player" defined as winning aswell?

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