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Orlando picked a hell of a right moment to start rebuilding!

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Orlando picked a hell of a right moment to start rebuilding!

Let's face it, there is no team that can overthrow the NBA "Final Four" Teams of the upcoming playoffs. The lakers, the thunder, the heat and the Knicks will most likely be those final four teams for a long time to come... So any team at the bottom of the league is highly discouraged to build a contender by contracting all sorts of playoff performing free agents. What these teams should do is rebuild ala thunder, so through drafting rookies.

The reason why the magic are lucky is because of Timing, they find themselves in a position to draft in the lottery for a good 3-4 years. And these 3-4 years are crammed with franchise changing talent. Almost every draft year has Franchise player calliber talent. This upcoming one has Shabazz Muhammed, Nerlens Noel. The next one has the great Jabari Parker, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, Andrew Harrison. The one after has Andrew Wiggins, Jahlil Okhafor, Cliff Alexander, Tius Jones, Emmanuel Mudiay, and a potential "next shaq" Dakari JOhnson. All these drafts are deep too, with a lot of late bloomers, and big potential players.

Now I'm not asking you all to hate on this, I'm not a Magic fan, but bear with me optimistically through the eyes of a magic fan. Say this year we draft a lottery pick in Kentavius Caldwell Pope who is a scoring shooting guard with no fear. We give him a year to have to handle a certain responsibility on the Magic offense, immediately making him a starter at the risk of losing games. All that is required is for him to develope... For 1 year. The next year, the Magic are luckier, they find themselves with a worse win ranking because of trading some talent including ryan anderson to a developing team to get draft picks (lottery level because developing team), they get a higher lottery pick, let's say top 5, but with luck, get to draft 2nd and Choose the most likely pick Julius Randle (if JP goes first) along with who I believe would have a higher ranking Isaiah Austin, from the RYan Anderson trade or something... 2 great players who will have great seasons but will really start winning after their second season together. This is where the Magic Capitalize! Start them both along with Pope, to forge a type of chemistry, but to allow them to make mistakes to learn and to fead into the bad ranking to yet again aquire a great pick in the class of 2015. That year they may draft Mudiay who is basically a more passing orriented Tyreke Evans. What a lineup they could have!

Well this basically goes to any team at the bottom of the league. The Bobcats this year could draft Shabazz Muhammed if they get 1st pick, and have a Muhammed, Gilchrist duo... The cavs have the potential of landing Noel. etc

What do you think?


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Knicks in the Final Four?

Of teams fighting for a playoff spot in the East maybe. Stopped reading after that.

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The Knicks???? Did you follow

The Knicks???? Did you follow their off season at all or were you too busy going to see Magic Mike for the seventh time?

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I don't know how the Knicks

I don't know how the Knicks could be listed into the final four. The Celtics, Spurs, and Pacers are better and so is a healthy Bulls team. The Nets and Sixers after their offseason moves are likely right up there with the Knicks. If the Knicks can figure out playing together on the offensive end of the ball and committ to play defense as a team they may in a few years get to be considered a "final four team", but they surely aren't there right now.

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I gave you a point. I almost

I gave you a point. I almost took it away for you saying that the Knicks are the 4th team of the Big Four basically. I think it is the Celtics, but you are definitely right in that there are some super teams at the top... and everyone else. So if you aren't the Lakers, Heat, Thunder, or maybe the Celtics it is time to regroup.

I do think the 2013 draft looks good at the top. Nerlens Noel could be the next great Orlando big man, Cody Zeller is a good big man who can score to go along with Andrew Nicholson and Moe Harkless, James McAdoo is promising although not really what Orlando needs, and Shabazz Mohammed could be a really good NBA shooting guard -- a position that Orlando could also use.

They do have DECENT talent though. Some young guys too. Almost similar to the Rockets. How are Andrew Nicholson, Moe Harkless, Kyle O'Quinn, and Aflalo (to go along with Big Baby, JJ Reddick and Jameer Nelson) all that different than the Rockets' young guys? I am not sure the chemistry will be there, but they aren't any worse than say, the Bucks who some think are a sleeper pick for the 8th seed.

I think getting Nerlens Noel would be good for them. He could anchor the inside for a nice young core. Or Shabazz Mohammed could be their signature go-to guy at the 2 guard spot.

In another thread I commented that outside of Lakers, Heat, Thunder, and Celtics every other team should be looking ahead to 2013-2014. With some lottery luck, the Magic could be on the right track going into the '14 season.

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Nerlens Noel is so overhyped

Nerlens Noel is so overhyped its not funny. He has literally zero offensive skills. He can barely catch a ball. Even Dwight when he first came in had some semblance of a garbageman offence, but Nerlens cant do even that too much degree of skill. He hasnt even played a game in college, and people are saying he is anthony davis mach 2. Davis had skills of a guard, and could play some post. Nerlens is just another overhyped big guy with hops, less Anthony Davis, more Deandre Jordan.

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the 76ers will be the second

the 76ers will be the second best team in the east

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Knicks are definitely not the

Knicks are definitely not the 4th best team. Very hard to agree with you after reading that.

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The Knicks are a top four

The Knicks are a top four team???? I didn't know Spike Lee posted here!

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Why are you guys taking the

Why are you guys taking the smallest part of his thread and making a big deal about it?

His point is that the Magic are bad at the right time. I agree with him. If you're going to pick a time to be awful, the time is now. The draft looks loaded for the next several years.

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You're right good point. The

You're right good point. The Magic weren't a good team even with Dwight Howard and simply swapping Howard for Bynum wouldn't fix the problem it would only elongate it for one more season. Otis Smith saddled the Magic with a slew of bad contracts that kept them in the playoffs from the 3-6 seed, but not much else. Smtih also didn't have a great track record in the draft although he draft Courtney Lee. It would have been difficult for the Magic to beat Miami, Boston, or Indiana and also the Bulls once Rose returns (as long as he's healthy) so attempting to keep patching a sinking boat didn't make much sense.

The Magic will start over now, they got some young players with potential, but they'll still need to clear the roster of the large contracts of mediocre players. Good luck to them.

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To be honest, there is no

To be honest, there is no team in the east other than Miami, that can beat the Knicks aside from maybe Boston or Chicago. Boston is a nursing home, and Chicago is overrated. New York would beat Chicago during the playoffs 4-2, 4-1. You are in denial if you think otherwise. Derrick Rose isn't as good as he is labeled. He is amazing and a freak of nature and easily a top 6, but let me just tell you that he is alone, whilst Melo has Amare who can finish both Noah and Boozer, the defensive player of the year in Chandler as well as a very serious supporting cast. And to those who talked smack about their playoff performance this year, they had to play Miami in the first round. If they didn't have to face miami until conference finals, they would beat any other team, including a chicago with a healthy rose. And I'm not an Orlando Magic fan, as a matter of fact I'm a bandwagon fan, and proud of it, i don't care about being a loyal fan to a team, cuz im not from the states, I don't care what city they play, I just wanna watch good basketball. And the magic provide none of the latter. My favorite players to watch are Lebron, Kobe, Kevin Durant and John Wall. And I find your comments about I stopped reading after I reached the "and Knicks" part really immature, I might have made a mistake, I might be wrong, but that doesn't make the rest of the post wrong.

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Re: And I find your comments...

Yes, it does make the rest of the post wrong. You are starting from an obviously wrong point, how can you arrive at the right conclusion from the wrong starting point?

I will go so far as to say the Magic may be better than the Knicks this year.

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And my complete and utter

And my complete and utter lack of respect for you grows.

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Huge knicks fan

I plan on being obnoxious if they can put it together this year, but you can't just count Boston out like that... maybe when they are down three games in a series and trail by 15 w/ 2 mins left... but not before the playoffs start

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^ that's an embarrassing post

^ that's an embarrassing post on so many levels.

A healthy Drose sweeps New York by himself.

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@Tiberius. Have you just

@Tiberius. Have you just completely forgotten about the Pacers and Nets as well? Chicago with a healthy Rose walks all over the Knicks bud.

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Nets

Will be in the eastern conference finals. Brahe Knicks do have a chance just like everyone else though, ad having star power always helps. If the Knicks were in the ECF would any of you be surprised?

And it's a very good time to rebuild (main point of post) my only problem is the magic got pretty much te same deal that they would have gotten with the rockets, but had Jeremy Lamb instead of more harklass

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everybody always talks about

everybody always talks about building trough the draft like the tunder did. on paper this sounds great: get a few top 5 draft picks do a good job with your scouting and after three drafts you have a great team. but i think you need to realize how difficult that is. the thunder went awfully lucky! they got durant in 07 westbrook in 08 and harden in 09. and all of those picks were home runs. each of those guys fully reached their potential! and they have a great chemistry! they did a great job! but the job they did was an excepiton not the norm. the reality for most teams is called haseem thabeet, kwame brown, eddy curry, oj mayo, michael beasley, jeff green, marvin williams just to give a few examples. and while some of them maybe okay players none of them is on harden, westbrook or durants level. it just is much more likely to get one of those from time to time than the westbrooks or durants. if it would be easy to do, everybody would be doing it. but in fact it is almost impossible to have three drafts in a row like the thunder had.

that leads me to the orlando point of view. on paper it sounds nice. next three drafts:

2013 nerlens noel (potential great defensive player of the year)

2014 julius randle (potential the good version of zach randolph)

2015 andrew wiggins (potential kobe/T-Mac)

that makes for a hell of a team. and i hope for each of those guys that they max out their potential. but what if not? nerlens noel (earl carrer tyson chandler) julius randle (early carrer zach randolph) andrew wiggins (bigger oj mayo)

so that does not sound that great and while i hope that each of them is succesful it is more likely that one or two won´t be as great... and please don´t bash my comparisons i know they aren´t really good but i was trying to make examples...

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For 2013 its looking like

For 2013 its looking like Noel is playing his way out of the 1st pick. Hes been horrible and is too raw. It will be Shabbazz or Zeller. 2014 i think Wiggins will reclassify so you will have a stacked top of the draft when you include Parker Randle Wiggins Gordon Harrison brothers James Young Hezonja etc.

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everybody always talks about

sorry i was double posting...

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Why do people keep counting

Why do people keep counting out the damn Spurs? Until yesterday they were still better than the Lakers. No way in hell you can put the Knicks ahead of them.

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lazarus that was hilarious

lazarus that was hilarious hahaha

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Oh yeah dang I completely

Oh yeah dang I completely forgot about the pacers! My bad! And no, just because my beginning is wrong, doesn't mean the rest is wrong, as a matter of fact, the two aren't even on the same topic. So props to you raybeas for once again demonstrating a fallacy in logic, as well as an ignorant response. You judged a book by its cover by deducing the accuracy of the main arguement after reading an unrelated opening statement (unrelated). You're like Bill O'reilley you are! The first is part is about rankings, the second part is about rebuilding. I wonder how many thumbs down I'm going to get from this comment...

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