[Huesy7Participant]

 

I’m from Australia so the possiblilty of getting Dante Exum to my favourite team is pretty sweet. But with our number 12 pick who should we get? 

I think the magic are in need of a point guard (Dante) and a power forward. But by the 12th pick all of the elite PFs will probably be gone (Randle, Vonleh, Gordon) and the next tier of PFs is a pretty big step down to Adrien Payne.

If the elite PFs are gone who should the magic draft?

Or should they shock everyone and select a PF at 4 and then a PG at 12 such as Ennis, Payton or LaVine?

 

 

[Captain LParticipant]

 As an Aussy you should know better than most of us if Exum is too good to pass on, if he isn’t anything special then Orlando should take (on their board) a PF like Randle or Vonleh and then they could take Ennis , Payton, or LaVine, all three of those point guards have different strengths but all 3 could be available at 12. 

[Captain LParticipant]

 As an Aussy you should know better than most of us if Exum is too good to pass on, if he isn’t anything special then Orlando should take (on their board) a PF like Randle or Vonleh and then they could take Ennis , Payton, or LaVine, all three of those point guards have different strengths but all 3 could be available at 12. 

[JoacoddrParticipant]

If they can’t get anyone of the elite PF (Gordon could be the most likely to fall to 12) i think they should look to trade down to a range where they could get Adrien Payne and the same time trying to get a late first round pick or an early second round pick

[JoacoddrParticipant]

If they can’t get anyone of the elite PF (Gordon could be the most likely to fall to 12) i think they should look to trade down to a range where they could get Adrien Payne and the same time trying to get a late first round pick or an early second round pick

[BallinmvpParticipant]

 If they take exum and the other PF’s are gone then I think they need someone to space the floor. Stauskas, Young, McDermott could be in play.

[BallinmvpParticipant]

 If they take exum and the other PF’s are gone then I think they need someone to space the floor. Stauskas, Young, McDermott could be in play.

[arowsky205Participant]

#12 is not a reach for Payne. He also fills their need of a floor spacer. I think he’s be the ideal pick if they get a PG at 4.

[arowsky205Participant]

#12 is not a reach for Payne. He also fills their need of a floor spacer. I think he’s be the ideal pick if they get a PG at 4.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I’m higher on Payne than most. Despite him being older I feel as though he will be a Lottery selection. Throughout the NCAA Tournament up until now I had him in the Late Lottery range, and right now I have him slated to Orlando.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I’m higher on Payne than most. Despite him being older I feel as though he will be a Lottery selection. Throughout the NCAA Tournament up until now I had him in the Late Lottery range, and right now I have him slated to Orlando.

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 I think Exum goes at pick 4.

Lock that in, unless there is a shock and the top 3 doesn’t go with the players everyone assumes will be taken there.

Then pick 12, Magic get their pick of a shooter or a swingman or a power forward.  Stauskas/McDermott/Young or Saric with some more size, Payne could work although he is similar to Nicholson.  Anderson could be a point power forward, which would work well with the two young combo-guards there ( Oladipo, Exum).

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 I think Exum goes at pick 4.

Lock that in, unless there is a shock and the top 3 doesn’t go with the players everyone assumes will be taken there.

Then pick 12, Magic get their pick of a shooter or a swingman or a power forward.  Stauskas/McDermott/Young or Saric with some more size, Payne could work although he is similar to Nicholson.  Anderson could be a point power forward, which would work well with the two young combo-guards there ( Oladipo, Exum).

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 Here’s my thinking. Orlando’s young starting lineup of Oladipo, Harkless, Harris, and Vucevic really struggles to shoot and score the ball. You can have all the defense you  want but unless you have some scoring/shooting you will never win games. Teams will score on any defense no matter how good it is. So you gotta score at some point. I think having balanced scoring from both inside and outside is best, but you also need the defense to offset that. Orlando has the defense already now they just need some scoring. So this draft the Magic should really focus on getting a PG and PF that can shoot/score. If he can play defense well too then that is just an added bonus. But if not, oh well, the Magic have the defense to compete already in Oladipo, Harkless, and Harris. 

Everybody is putting Exum or Smart at the 4 and that’s not a bad pick. But I think they can do better. Both Exum and Smart are not good shooters, but great passers and defenders. Oladipo can defend with his athleticism and score if he gets in the lane, but he is not a good outside shooter. Both Exum and Smart get their points by driving in the lane as does Oladipo so it would really clog up the paint I think if the Magic drafted one of those two at the 4th spot. Everyone just puts Exum or Smart because they know the Magic needed a PG and they wanted to get Smart last year before he decided to stay in school. Yes, both Exum and Smart would be good picks just because the Magic are in so desperate need of a PG that any will do, but if you really want to excel I’d wait until the 12th pick to get one.

I think there is more value at Point with the 12th pick then there is with the 4th especially for a team like the Magic who needs a point guard that can shoot well, pass well, and really knows how to play within the team. A PG like Ennis I think would be perfect for them. He can shoot, pass, defend (when called upon) but most of all, he really plays a team brand of basketball that I think the Magic will appreciate and ever young player will benefit from it. We all saw how much of better basketball team the Jazz looked when Burke was finally healthy. Everything just clicked and they were winning games. Thats what I think that can happen with the Magic if they select Ennis at 12. I think he is very comparable to Trey Burke or Mike Conley. With Exum or Smart, yes they will do well, but when they need to score, they might not be able to depend on Exum or Smart to do that. You can with Ennis. When the Jazz needed points this year, they were able to depend on Burke to get them. That’s a leadership ability that you just can’t teach. Sure, Oladipo has that, but he gets it by getting in the lane as do Exum and Smart. I think they would excel if they had someone who could get you some points from the outside instead of just in the lane. 

Like I said there is a lot more value for the point at 12 then at 4. At 12 you can choose from Lavine, Ennis, Payton, and Napier (if you consider him a lottery pick, I don’t) But at 4 all you got to choose from is Exum and Smart. Of those 6 I think Ennis is the best for them. This allows the Magic to select from the quality of bigs there are available at 4. (Randle, Vonleh or Gordon, I think Randle is the best fit, but Vonleh could work too it all depends on workouts) 

Look at these two young lineups, and you tell me which one is better. I think you will see my point.

1. Exum
2. Oladipo
3. McDermott
4. Harris
5. Vucevic

A lot of defense there with Oladipo, Exum, Harris and Vucevic, but only one player can really shoot/score in that lineup (McDermott) Opposing teams can just key in on McDermott, protect the lane really well and you’ve got them beat. The lane will be really clogged up with Exum, Oladipo, Harris and Vucevic. The same goes if Smart is selected at 4 instead of Exum.

or:

1. Ennis
2. Oladipo
3. Harris
4. Randle
5. Vucevic

Now you have a shooter in the backcourt with Ennis and still some good passing and defense. And then you have the bulldozer (Randle) down low with Harris, Oladipo, and Vucevic to balance it out defensively. That lineup I think is really balanced, while the top one looks like a bunch of players just placed together with no thought to team concept or makeup. I find that balanced lineups are much better then just lineups with guys just thrown wherever with no concept or makeup. I think there were 4 teams this who fell victom to this kind of poorly constructed lineup. The Kings, Pelicans, Cavs and Pistons. Three of those teams thought they could make the playoffs with their poorly balanced lineups and they fell way short. The top lineup, I see as a danger lineup that could be very similar to the Kings, Pelicans, Cavs, and Pistons lineups this year, that really held them back. But the bottom one, I see much more wins and very close to how the Grizzlies match up against teams. (I believe that’s the team the Jazz are trying to model their lineup after and the Magic should do the same)

 

 

  

 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 Here’s my thinking. Orlando’s young starting lineup of Oladipo, Harkless, Harris, and Vucevic really struggles to shoot and score the ball. You can have all the defense you  want but unless you have some scoring/shooting you will never win games. Teams will score on any defense no matter how good it is. So you gotta score at some point. I think having balanced scoring from both inside and outside is best, but you also need the defense to offset that. Orlando has the defense already now they just need some scoring. So this draft the Magic should really focus on getting a PG and PF that can shoot/score. If he can play defense well too then that is just an added bonus. But if not, oh well, the Magic have the defense to compete already in Oladipo, Harkless, and Harris. 

Everybody is putting Exum or Smart at the 4 and that’s not a bad pick. But I think they can do better. Both Exum and Smart are not good shooters, but great passers and defenders. Oladipo can defend with his athleticism and score if he gets in the lane, but he is not a good outside shooter. Both Exum and Smart get their points by driving in the lane as does Oladipo so it would really clog up the paint I think if the Magic drafted one of those two at the 4th spot. Everyone just puts Exum or Smart because they know the Magic needed a PG and they wanted to get Smart last year before he decided to stay in school. Yes, both Exum and Smart would be good picks just because the Magic are in so desperate need of a PG that any will do, but if you really want to excel I’d wait until the 12th pick to get one.

I think there is more value at Point with the 12th pick then there is with the 4th especially for a team like the Magic who needs a point guard that can shoot well, pass well, and really knows how to play within the team. A PG like Ennis I think would be perfect for them. He can shoot, pass, defend (when called upon) but most of all, he really plays a team brand of basketball that I think the Magic will appreciate and ever young player will benefit from it. We all saw how much of better basketball team the Jazz looked when Burke was finally healthy. Everything just clicked and they were winning games. Thats what I think that can happen with the Magic if they select Ennis at 12. I think he is very comparable to Trey Burke or Mike Conley. With Exum or Smart, yes they will do well, but when they need to score, they might not be able to depend on Exum or Smart to do that. You can with Ennis. When the Jazz needed points this year, they were able to depend on Burke to get them. That’s a leadership ability that you just can’t teach. Sure, Oladipo has that, but he gets it by getting in the lane as do Exum and Smart. I think they would excel if they had someone who could get you some points from the outside instead of just in the lane. 

Like I said there is a lot more value for the point at 12 then at 4. At 12 you can choose from Lavine, Ennis, Payton, and Napier (if you consider him a lottery pick, I don’t) But at 4 all you got to choose from is Exum and Smart. Of those 6 I think Ennis is the best for them. This allows the Magic to select from the quality of bigs there are available at 4. (Randle, Vonleh or Gordon, I think Randle is the best fit, but Vonleh could work too it all depends on workouts) 

Look at these two young lineups, and you tell me which one is better. I think you will see my point.

1. Exum
2. Oladipo
3. McDermott
4. Harris
5. Vucevic

A lot of defense there with Oladipo, Exum, Harris and Vucevic, but only one player can really shoot/score in that lineup (McDermott) Opposing teams can just key in on McDermott, protect the lane really well and you’ve got them beat. The lane will be really clogged up with Exum, Oladipo, Harris and Vucevic. The same goes if Smart is selected at 4 instead of Exum.

or:

1. Ennis
2. Oladipo
3. Harris
4. Randle
5. Vucevic

Now you have a shooter in the backcourt with Ennis and still some good passing and defense. And then you have the bulldozer (Randle) down low with Harris, Oladipo, and Vucevic to balance it out defensively. That lineup I think is really balanced, while the top one looks like a bunch of players just placed together with no thought to team concept or makeup. I find that balanced lineups are much better then just lineups with guys just thrown wherever with no concept or makeup. I think there were 4 teams this who fell victom to this kind of poorly constructed lineup. The Kings, Pelicans, Cavs and Pistons. Three of those teams thought they could make the playoffs with their poorly balanced lineups and they fell way short. The top lineup, I see as a danger lineup that could be very similar to the Kings, Pelicans, Cavs, and Pistons lineups this year, that really held them back. But the bottom one, I see much more wins and very close to how the Grizzlies match up against teams. (I believe that’s the team the Jazz are trying to model their lineup after and the Magic should do the same)

 

 

  

 

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