Once Coveted HS prospects...now fringe NBA prospects.....if that
Joe Jackson(#5 PG in HS)- 13.7 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 4.8 APG this year and has boosted his 3pt% from 30% as a freshman to 48% as a junior...had a monster game today with 17pts,10ast,9rebs,6stls in a win over UAB....Jackson's main concerns were his frame and jumpshot, seems he's fixed the latter, but still no mock has him on their boards for 13 or 14.
LeBryan Nash(Top 5 player overall in the country in HS)- All his numbers have went down from his freshman year slightly but his FG percentage has jumped up from 39% to 45%, thats due possibly to Marcus Smart finding him easy baskets. He 2 had a great game today 24pts,5rebs 10-12 from the field, Nash's problem is his lack of size,ball handling and inability to shoot the 3 what so ever. Is only projected as a secound rounder for 2014, when he once was touted as a one and done prospect by some.
CJ Leslie(#4 PF in the country in HS)- Leslie is having the best season in his career at NC State averaging career his in points(15.2), rebounds(7.7) FG%(53%) and FT%(61%) Terrible performance today only 5pts,3boards, as he couldn't use his athleticism to his advantage. Leslie's lack of skill might have hurt his chances of being an NBA player, he needs to refine his entire skill package and stop relying on his freakish athleticism, he's projected 2nd rounder for this year, and it might be best he leave as each year scouts find more and more holes in his game for the once sure fire NBA player.
Ian Miller(#5 PG in the country by scout.com) Miller's career at Florida State hasn't been close to what anyone thought it would be by now, but the sad part about it is, many didn't think Miller would still be at FSU let alone still looking like an average D1 player. Miller's numbers are down again this year(5pts,1rebs,2ast after a solid season last year(10pts,2rebs,1ast), Miller's great athleticism and big frame brought him many comparisons to Russell Westbrook and he even was projected as a top 5 player on some mock drafts, but now it seems as if Miller will never crack the NBA, due to maybe the wrong system at FSU.
Trey Ziegler(#4 SG in the country by rivals) Ziegler looked like he might could crack the NBA after commiting to Central Michigan and playing for his father and posting averages like 16.4 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.1 APG as a freshman and 15.8 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.5 APG as a sophomore. But his dad got fired after his sophomore year and Burke decided to head to Pitt where it looks like the High Major level is a bit too much for him, as his averages have dropped mightly hard to 4.1 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.3 APG.
Myck Kabongo(#3 PG in the country) Kabongo was heavily compared to Rondo, because of his lightning speed and quickness, long wingspan, ability to find teammates, inability to shoot, and skinny frame, he was projected as a possible one and done, and no longer than 2 year player. Well Kabongo's first season at Texas went ok as he averaged 9.6 PPG and 5.2 APG, scouts said he needed to come back refine his game and body some more and he'd be lottery possibly, well Kabongo had to sit 20+ games and that brought his stock down, since he's been back he looks like an NBA player and is averaging 17.0 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 5.4 APG and all his shooting numbers have went up, but will 7-12 games be enough for him to prove his worth as Texas will not make the tourney, or will he have to come back to school for another year?
Was going to add a few more, but didn't want the read to be too long!
thats the way the cookie crumbles. none of those guys will be stars in the league but Miller would be my bet out of all of them to be able to make the highest climb back up the draft ladder. if he can get healthy, he can do it. its reported that he has barely practiced with the team all year. the flipside to that is, he is a scorer and FSU is a low scoring team that uses primitive offensive schemes.
Abdul Gaddy!!! I think that ACL injury hurt his career.
Damn, I forgot about Abdul Gaddy, I wasn't even thinking of him with the second group I was going to add, but on the flip side alot of scouts said he didn't have the athleticism needed to be an NBA PG anyways, but he def should be on this list.
Do you think Laquinton Ross is in that group too?
you are absolutely right about Snaer but the unusual thing about him is, he will enter the draft as primarily a defensive prospect when he came out of school highly touted for being a big time scorer.
No Laquinton Ross wouldn't be in the list he was only rated a 4star basically and I cant find a website that even had him top 10 at his position in HS.
Most guys I look at, were guys who were rated top 5-8 at their position AND had alot of people(Fans,Scouts,etc...) projecting them NBA players after a year or 2....which is also why I didn't include Michael Snaer from FSU, yes he was the #2 rated SG in his class but he was never projected a lottery type NBA player since I can remember.
Another guy that should be on here is Elijah Johnson from Kansas.
Elijah's problem may be mental. I was sure he would breakout this year....but apparently, he doesnt know how to use that wonderful athletic ability. Aside from that 39 point outburst...he has hardly been mentioned in any other discussions.
Well this is just an example of why NBA owners and front office people helped to bar players coming to the NBA from High School. You certainly see guys who are amazing and it wouldn't matter when they came out like a Lebron James, but a good number of players who jumped to the NBA from high school wouldn't have gone as high in the draft or even been drafted if they had to go to college. Most high school players don't face top quality competition on a regular basis, but any guy who goes to a major college will face tough competition often.
Strickland is a good one but he also falls under the injury bug but even without that he still wasn't much of an NBA proscpect in my eyes.
Adonis Thomas maybe as well. He had an NBA body as a high schooler.
I felt this way about Kemba Walker for his first two season but had a HUGE year his junior year and the rest is history.
Kenny Boynton & Mike Rosario
Yea Adonis possibly as well.
Dont forget I said I was going to make a longer list, I just didn't want the read to long.
ETC...were all going to make the list or 2nd list.
Reggie Bullock. Was #10 on Rivals, I see him potentially getting drafted 2nd round maybe next year, but still not an elite player.
the plays or lack thereof ran for Bullock in UNC's offense are pathetic. he has also lost some explosiveness from injuries too....still, he is a dead-eye shooter with size, a great rebounder and solid defender. lacks handle to allow him to get separation on his jumper. if he truly learned how to play right, he could be a less athletic version of Rip Hamilton. still, he hasnt become as good as Wayne Ellington was at UNC, and Bullock came in with the reputation as a bigger and better version of Ellington.
Patrick Young has not progressed at all as a player, was highly touted high school player some compared him to Al Horford back then.
Dexter Strickland is good. Everyone was saying he was the next Westbrook or Francis i remember. He was an explosive athlete. But injuries have killed him.
no, injuries havent killed him as much as he plays for Roy Williams and his game never developed. he could never shoot a jumper without fading away and he should not be playing SG, not even now. he should be the PG (and he is not that bad at it) and Paige should back him up but get close to equal minutes. he leads the ACC in assist to turnover and he actually plays much better at PG when Paige is not in the game. the injuries have effected him some as he used to be relentless at attacking the basket. he is a 6'2" guard that doesnt have a reliable jumpshot and plays SG more than he does PG.
I remember thinking Patric Young was going to be a beast. The dude was ripped and looked like he was going to be a stud.
I thought about Patric Young, but I still think he will be a 1st rounder.
Gaddy (and Kenny Boynton alike) were big time HS players and recruits but never intruiging NBA prospects. But if you want to go verbatim with your thread title....
Mouphtaou Yarou - raw offensively and never really broke out
Wally Judge - horrible production
Alex Oriakhi - dont think he worked on his game much and fell out of favor at UConn
Milton Jennings - perhaps overated? maybe. bad college choice? definitely.
Mfon Udofia - regressed each year
Dexter Strickland - remember him in Elite 24? forced to play SG but not really a good shooter
Ryan Harrow - this guy is really disappointing to me because although he can score, his PG instincts are not what I thought coming out of HS
Stacey Poole Jr - a 4 star recruit who now averages walk-on numbers (1.5ppg, 1.6rpg)
I was going off the thread title but as FastandFurious said, if you are going by top 5-8 position or 5-star recruits then obviously some of the guys I mentioned can be removed.
Tony Woods! 5 star prospect and 3rd ranked center behind BJ Mullens and get this....his Wake Forest teammate Ty Walker, lol. I remember at one time this site had him in the lotto and a better prospect than Aminu. Of course Aminu had skills to drool over, but I thought Woods would be a no-brainer to make a rotation because he had a knack for offensive rebounding. Big and athletic...he is a major disappointment to me as a rebounder. He should be avg double digits. File him under headcases...right next to Jelan Kendrick and Wally Judge.
This is why I tell the young men that I coach that these rankings mean absolutely nothing. Your success does not depend on a ranking but the work you put in. It is also based upon the system/coach that you play in and for. Sometimes guys don't hit their stride because they choose the wrong system for their talents. Sometimes guys get to college and stop working. There are many kids who are great at basketball at the high school level but do not love the game or love to compete. These individuals are found out in the ultra competitive college basketball. So again those rankings mean nothing. In a typical class the top 2 or 3 players in that class is easy to dissect and then from there it's just a crap shoot of what scout sees them and in what setting. They are now ranking 5th and 6th graders and these kids are basing their worth as a player on rankings on kids who are not close to being done growing or in some cases the kid who is considered great at that age is absolutely done growing and will be passed by other growing kids.
Norvel Pelle, a 5 star center prospect, now playing at Iona I think. This guy was Rivals #1 and only 5 star center prospect in 2011.
Rakeem Christmas eeeeesh
Angelo Chol also
You cant completely shut the doors on these guys. While rare(er) you still get the 4 year guy(Lillard) that can still be a stud in the L. Or at least be a contribuitor(someone?)
I wouldn't put Nick Johnson in this category. He wasn't a mcdonalds or jordan all american and he's playing great as of late. I don't think many people expected him to be a sure fire NBA player.