[juves4783Participant]

i realize hypothetical trades usually are responded with negatives but here is an idea that i’ve been thinking about…

okc trades reggie jackson, perry jones, kendrick perkins, #21 to sacramento for #8, jason thompson and jason terry

what this does for okc?

okc uses the #8 pick on zach lavine, super high ceiling with potential to be a star.  moving perkins opens up minutes for steven adams and tibor pleiss.  and they get something in return for reggie jackson who’s stock is at a high.

what this does for sac?

sac gets a proven pg with good size, perimeter defense and still has decent potential for improvement on offense.  they get rid of jason thompson’s ridiculous contract.  perkins adds some toughness to the frontcourt, can mentor cousins and is only there for a minimum of 1 year.  perry jones is a throw in to see what kind of potential he has.

new look okc: westbrook, lamb, durant, ibaka, adams

bench: terry, lavine, albrines (last years’ 2nd round pick if he has reasonable opt out), roberson, collison, thompson, pleiss and #29 pick (best available prospect)

new look sac: jackson, mclemore, gay (who i’m assuming will stay), landry, cousins

bench: mccallum, outlaw, perry jones, derrick williams, reggie evans, perkins and #21 pick (backup sg – hairston, wilcox, adams).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

The Thunder have Westbrook and Reggie Jackson, why would they need the same skillset with Zach Lavine?  Jeremy Lamb is good too, and he is a shooting guard. 

I think if they traded up they would go with a power forward to put next to Serge Ibaka in small ball lineups.  What about Noah Vonleh or Julius Randle on the Thunder if one of those guys falls? 

What about Nik Stuaskas as a shooter for the Thunder, a fourth option behind KEVIN!, Russell, and Serge?  He could be their new James Harden.

They should probably stay at 21 and 29.  Draft DeAndre Daniels at 21 as a backup small forward and small ball 4.  He can be a 3 point shooter and rebounder off the bench in the Robert Horry mold.  He also has great measurements like Kawhi Leonard.  Daniels can give Durant a rest, or they can play both of them together, giving Serge Ibaka a rest. 

At 29, maybe they should go with a low post scorer who can also rebound.  Jarnell Stokes is a good option at power forward.  He can bully his way inside, but he also has some range, a crafty offensive game, and pretty good athleticism for his size.  He can learn some tricks from Nick Collison and Kendrick Perkins.  Serge, Adams, and Stokes would give them 3 quality young players inside.  … Daniels would give them a stretch four option and a guy who can give Durant a rest. 

I even think the Thunder should look at Aaron Craft as an undrafted free agent.  He is tough, crafty, and a good floor general.  He could allow Russell to play off the ball, or run the second unit all by himself. 

21 might be a bit high for DeAndre Daniels and 29 might be a bit high for Jarnell Stokes (I have no idea why he isn’t a first rounder), but both would help round out the rotation. 

[juves4783Participant]

hmm…guessing you aren’t really high on lavine then.  the point of the trade is to move jackson while his stock is high and replace him with a guy with even more potential.  the other point is to try to free up some minutes for all these guys they are drafting.  

 

[juves4783Participant]

hmm…guessing you aren’t really high on lavine then.  the point of the trade is to move jackson while his stock is high and replace him with a guy with even more potential.  the other point is to try to free up some minutes for all these guys they are drafting.  

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

The Thunder have Westbrook and Reggie Jackson, why would they need the same skillset with Zach Lavine?  Jeremy Lamb is good too, and he is a shooting guard. 

I think if they traded up they would go with a power forward to put next to Serge Ibaka in small ball lineups.  What about Noah Vonleh or Julius Randle on the Thunder if one of those guys falls? 

What about Nik Stuaskas as a shooter for the Thunder, a fourth option behind KEVIN!, Russell, and Serge?  He could be their new James Harden.

They should probably stay at 21 and 29.  Draft DeAndre Daniels at 21 as a backup small forward and small ball 4.  He can be a 3 point shooter and rebounder off the bench in the Robert Horry mold.  He also has great measurements like Kawhi Leonard.  Daniels can give Durant a rest, or they can play both of them together, giving Serge Ibaka a rest. 

At 29, maybe they should go with a low post scorer who can also rebound.  Jarnell Stokes is a good option at power forward.  He can bully his way inside, but he also has some range, a crafty offensive game, and pretty good athleticism for his size.  He can learn some tricks from Nick Collison and Kendrick Perkins.  Serge, Adams, and Stokes would give them 3 quality young players inside.  … Daniels would give them a stretch four option and a guy who can give Durant a rest. 

I even think the Thunder should look at Aaron Craft as an undrafted free agent.  He is tough, crafty, and a good floor general.  He could allow Russell to play off the ball, or run the second unit all by himself. 

21 might be a bit high for DeAndre Daniels and 29 might be a bit high for Jarnell Stokes (I have no idea why he isn’t a first rounder), but both would help round out the rotation. 

[justadream916Participant]

 what about going after isaih thomas in the off season a sign and trade for reggie jackson seem more realistic  . what about a 3 way trade with magic and bucks(pistons or hornets) 

orl-Kendrick Perkins 21 AND 29 Perry jones 

thunder-arron affalo and ersan illysova 

bucks -jeremey lamb 

i think the thunder should move on from the young movement , also the bucks as a partner will depend on what they do on draft night

Thunder new line up PG westbrook  SG Affalo SF durant PF serge C Adams bench-PGSG reggie jackson – SG/SF/PF Caron Buttler -Derrick Fisher (if he come back ) PF/C Ersan 

the magic and bucks will still build through the draft 

[ThunderHog35Participant]

that trade isn’t possible….the money doesn’t work and there’s not really a good way to make it work.

I like the idea of Affalo though but it’s been a popular idea passed around for some time now.  Another intriguing piece might be Gordan Hayward if they could do a sign and trade with the Jazz.  That would be trading within the division and thus not very likely….

 

 

[justadream916Participant]

It actually does work once thabo thabeet contract is up

[justadream916Participant]

It actually does work once thabo thabeet contract is up

[ThunderHog35Participant]

that trade isn’t possible….the money doesn’t work and there’s not really a good way to make it work.

I like the idea of Affalo though but it’s been a popular idea passed around for some time now.  Another intriguing piece might be Gordan Hayward if they could do a sign and trade with the Jazz.  That would be trading within the division and thus not very likely….

 

 

[justadream916Participant]

 what about going after isaih thomas in the off season a sign and trade for reggie jackson seem more realistic  . what about a 3 way trade with magic and bucks(pistons or hornets) 

orl-Kendrick Perkins 21 AND 29 Perry jones 

thunder-arron affalo and ersan illysova 

bucks -jeremey lamb 

i think the thunder should move on from the young movement , also the bucks as a partner will depend on what they do on draft night

Thunder new line up PG westbrook  SG Affalo SF durant PF serge C Adams bench-PGSG reggie jackson – SG/SF/PF Caron Buttler -Derrick Fisher (if he come back ) PF/C Ersan 

the magic and bucks will still build through the draft 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

It’s not that I am not high on Lavine, it’s that between Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, and Jeremy Lamb, they have that skillset covered.  I am still holding out hope for Perry Jones, too.  I can also see them getting value at 21. 

Without Reggie Jackson’s monster game 4, the Thunder could very well have lost that series to Memphis.

Jason Thompson wouldn’t really add anything, Jason Terry is basically done right, and Kendrick Perkins gives the Thunder a guy who plays Zach Randolph really well which is worth something.

If Aaron Gordon is on the board though, I think you roll the dice.  AG would give them ANOTHER freakishly athletic player.  Put him on the front line with Durant and Ibaka and they are dunking and blocking EVERYTHING.  Gordon would do enough I think to be their fourth scorer, and could play enough 3 to give Durant some rest.  With Itchy and Scratchy (I mean Durant and Westbrook) taking a ton of shots, Gordon would help since he can get points off of hustle, athleticism, and rebounding. 

A backcourt of Russell Westbrook and Jeremy Lamb with a front court rotation of Kevin Durant, Serge Ibaka, Steven Adams, and Aaron Gordon should be illegal. 

The only way I do this trade is if Aaron Gordon is still on the board.  AG gives them what they need out of their 4th option.  He can play the 3 or the 4 so you can do a bunch of interesting lineups with him.  They lose Reggie Jackson, but they get Jason Terry to help replace some of Reggie and Fisher’s production.  Jason Thompson moves down the depth chart, but they still have the 29th pick to go after another piece — either a tenacious defender with 3 point range (are those guys out there?), or what I would then do is trade down to 32 and 39 with Philly.  Get a defensive type like KJ McDaniels or DeAndre Kane, or a 3 (and potential) D guy like DeAndre Daniels, and then a Euro Stash guy with the other pick.  DeAndre Daniels would give them their Caron Butler replacement while DeAndre Kane could give them a defensive, energy guy at the 2 who can also play some point.  They could put Kane in Reggie Jackson’s role.  If they wanted to replace Kendrick Perkins, then they could go with Patric Young, a guy who could turn into a more athletic version of the scowling veteran.

 

[juves4783Participant]

look…i think you are missing the point of this trade.  it’s not about the jason thompson’s and kendrick perkin’s of the world.  it is purely a financial move.  at the end of next season, reggie jackson will be a restricted free agent and the thunder will have $49M committed to just westbrook, durant and ibaka.  in order to prevent losing him for nothing, trade him while his stock is red hot.  now if you want an aaron gordon, that is fine.  i prefer to a scorer like lavine over a stat stuffer like gordon.  

[juves4783Participant]

look…i think you are missing the point of this trade.  it’s not about the jason thompson’s and kendrick perkin’s of the world.  it is purely a financial move.  at the end of next season, reggie jackson will be a restricted free agent and the thunder will have $49M committed to just westbrook, durant and ibaka.  in order to prevent losing him for nothing, trade him while his stock is red hot.  now if you want an aaron gordon, that is fine.  i prefer to a scorer like lavine over a stat stuffer like gordon.  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

It’s not that I am not high on Lavine, it’s that between Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, and Jeremy Lamb, they have that skillset covered.  I am still holding out hope for Perry Jones, too.  I can also see them getting value at 21. 

Without Reggie Jackson’s monster game 4, the Thunder could very well have lost that series to Memphis.

Jason Thompson wouldn’t really add anything, Jason Terry is basically done right, and Kendrick Perkins gives the Thunder a guy who plays Zach Randolph really well which is worth something.

If Aaron Gordon is on the board though, I think you roll the dice.  AG would give them ANOTHER freakishly athletic player.  Put him on the front line with Durant and Ibaka and they are dunking and blocking EVERYTHING.  Gordon would do enough I think to be their fourth scorer, and could play enough 3 to give Durant some rest.  With Itchy and Scratchy (I mean Durant and Westbrook) taking a ton of shots, Gordon would help since he can get points off of hustle, athleticism, and rebounding. 

A backcourt of Russell Westbrook and Jeremy Lamb with a front court rotation of Kevin Durant, Serge Ibaka, Steven Adams, and Aaron Gordon should be illegal. 

The only way I do this trade is if Aaron Gordon is still on the board.  AG gives them what they need out of their 4th option.  He can play the 3 or the 4 so you can do a bunch of interesting lineups with him.  They lose Reggie Jackson, but they get Jason Terry to help replace some of Reggie and Fisher’s production.  Jason Thompson moves down the depth chart, but they still have the 29th pick to go after another piece — either a tenacious defender with 3 point range (are those guys out there?), or what I would then do is trade down to 32 and 39 with Philly.  Get a defensive type like KJ McDaniels or DeAndre Kane, or a 3 (and potential) D guy like DeAndre Daniels, and then a Euro Stash guy with the other pick.  DeAndre Daniels would give them their Caron Butler replacement while DeAndre Kane could give them a defensive, energy guy at the 2 who can also play some point.  They could put Kane in Reggie Jackson’s role.  If they wanted to replace Kendrick Perkins, then they could go with Patric Young, a guy who could turn into a more athletic version of the scowling veteran.

 

[mixtape2003Participant]

they would prob have to give 21 and 29 to move up to 8th, wouldn’t be a bad trade if they was not in a win now mode and you wanna keep jackson for security with Westbrook knees. Maybe like the prev comment get back thomas in the trade?

[mixtape2003Participant]

they would prob have to give 21 and 29 to move up to 8th, wouldn’t be a bad trade if they was not in a win now mode and you wanna keep jackson for security with Westbrook knees. Maybe like the prev comment get back thomas in the trade?

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 The Thunder are in win-now mode. They’d rather have the much more ready Reggie Jackson to help them win now than to have their back-up PG be just Derek Fisher and have to wait at least 2-3 years for LaVine to develop

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 The Thunder are in win-now mode. They’d rather have the much more ready Reggie Jackson to help them win now than to have their back-up PG be just Derek Fisher and have to wait at least 2-3 years for LaVine to develop

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Whilst I understand the logic of selling high on Reggie, I don’t think LaVine’s their guy in the draft. He’s not developed enough to get minutes from Scott Brooks, notorious for not muddling up his rotations for rookies. Lavine would go down to the Dleague just like Lamb did, most likely drop 20 a night and be a stud, get called up every now and again, and not get any burn. He just isn’t developed enough as a player to come in and play the role that you are envisioning him of playing, a scorer. I think it will be a year or two in before he starts to comfortably put points up, I think they would look else where if they were to grab the #8 pick. Perhaps Aaron Gordon if they want a glue guy, maybe (sort of) reach for Doug or Stauskas if they want a ready to go now sharpshooter? 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Whilst I understand the logic of selling high on Reggie, I don’t think LaVine’s their guy in the draft. He’s not developed enough to get minutes from Scott Brooks, notorious for not muddling up his rotations for rookies. Lavine would go down to the Dleague just like Lamb did, most likely drop 20 a night and be a stud, get called up every now and again, and not get any burn. He just isn’t developed enough as a player to come in and play the role that you are envisioning him of playing, a scorer. I think it will be a year or two in before he starts to comfortably put points up, I think they would look else where if they were to grab the #8 pick. Perhaps Aaron Gordon if they want a glue guy, maybe (sort of) reach for Doug or Stauskas if they want a ready to go now sharpshooter? 

[juves4783Participant]

i agree with you totally.  i’m not envisioning lavine blowing up the scoreboards right away.  i don’t really expect him to get much run at all for a year or two.  my theory is basically, sell reggie jackson high.  hope lavine turns into a star.  if durant were to leave town in a couple years, you have a star there waiting on the backburner.  and that is assuming lavine is as good as advertised.

now, you and fearthestache also makes a good point about the "winning now" approach.     

 

[juves4783Participant]

i agree with you totally.  i’m not envisioning lavine blowing up the scoreboards right away.  i don’t really expect him to get much run at all for a year or two.  my theory is basically, sell reggie jackson high.  hope lavine turns into a star.  if durant were to leave town in a couple years, you have a star there waiting on the backburner.  and that is assuming lavine is as good as advertised.

now, you and fearthestache also makes a good point about the "winning now" approach.     

 

[CavFanPRParticipant]

The Thunder need to amnesty Perkins and sign Spencer Hawes.

[CavFanPRParticipant]

The Thunder need to amnesty Perkins and sign Spencer Hawes.

[mike_r232Participant]

 Need to keep in mind that amnestying Perkins does not mean that the Thunder would now have his $9.15 to spend on free agents.  After amnestying him, they would still have $58.8 million on the books for next season.  Even with the expected large jump in the salary cap of $63.2 (reportedly), you would have $4.4 million left.  This also does not account for any rookies that they would have to sign.  So, essentially, around $3.5 million in the best case scenario.  Hawes would be a cool fit here, but I expect that he garners a higher value than OKC can offer him.

[mike_r232Participant]

 Need to keep in mind that amnestying Perkins does not mean that the Thunder would now have his $9.15 to spend on free agents.  After amnestying him, they would still have $58.8 million on the books for next season.  Even with the expected large jump in the salary cap of $63.2 (reportedly), you would have $4.4 million left.  This also does not account for any rookies that they would have to sign.  So, essentially, around $3.5 million in the best case scenario.  Hawes would be a cool fit here, but I expect that he garners a higher value than OKC can offer him.

[The QParticipant]

 at 21 they should take a guy like Wilcox to stretch the floor. 

 

If McGary’s back checks out him at 29 would be a solid move as well. 

 

 

[The QParticipant]

 at 21 they should take a guy like Wilcox to stretch the floor. 

 

If McGary’s back checks out him at 29 would be a solid move as well. 

 

 

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