the official 2012 usa basketball team
ok I am snowed in so I will basically be posting interesting basketball topics all day. Anyway I was thinking today if everybody in the nba is injury free and is willing to play for team usa in the summer of 2012 who do you think will be on the roster? Give me some of your ideas, give me your starting 5, yout official 12 man squad and your 3 injury reserve players, so it should total out to a 15 man roster if you were Coach K what would your team be made up of ? Let me know and give an explanation this will be very interesting there are so many talented players in the NBA it will be a very tough cut I myself had a very tough time figuring out my roster and even after I post this I will probably change my mind and regret what I put because there are alot of young guys breaking out and taking there game to the next level and who knows how much better they will be by the summer of 2012. anyway here is my official 2012 usa roster.
starting 5- pg.Deron Williams, sg.Kobe Bryant,sf/pf. Lebron James,sf/pf. Kevin Durant, C.Dwight Howard
Off the Bench - sg. Dwyane Wade, sf/pf Carmelo Anthony, pg/sg Derrick Rose, pf/c. Amare Stoudamire, pg. Chris Paul, pf/c. Chris Bosh, sg. Eric Gordon
Reserves- pg. Russel Westbrook, pf. Blake Griffin, sg. Joe Johnson, possibly a healthy Andrew Bynum
My explanation will be in the post below
um whats the difference between the bench and the reserves? do you mean alternates in case of an injury??
I still think that team definitely needs another 3-point marksman, even with Eric Gordon. I'd try to find some way to get Danny Granger in there.
great point I did want to add another pure 3 point shooter but I did not know who I should cut out
Lets start with the starting 5, I eventually chose Deron Williams to start over D rose I was torn because I love D rose but Williams would be a better fit for the other 4 guys that are starting. Right now Williams has better vision and is overall a more pure point guard he would compliment those guys alot better. Also Williams has a proven reliable knock down jumpshot and I think that is big when it comes to fiba play where teams like to pack it in and play zone against the US due to the supreme speed and athleticism, although Rose's shot is improving every year. But Bottom line Deron Williams is more experienced you could go either way but I like him starting and I will explain why I like D rose off the bench. Kobe "black mamba" Bryant would be my starting shooting guard. The fact is he can do it all enough said! when he wants to he can be an amazing harrasing, under your skin, in your shorts on the ball defender and I know he's getting older so dont use tht excuse to not start him. Next to start as my small foward/power foward is Lebron James c'mon do I even have to explain myself? King James is way more physically and athletically more dominant then any other fiba player out there. My 4th starter who I would play at small foward/power foward depending on defensive matchups is Kevin Durant his game is perfectly fit for fiba basketball hes 6'10 can shoot dribble and score in many different ways he showed he was the best player in this lats tournament, he works hard and is always getting better imagine how he is going to be by the summer of 2012 SCARY! And of course my starting Center would be Dwight Howard, why would you not want him to be your starting center? I wouldn't even need him to average more then 4 points just block shots and grab every rebound in sight with this team. He is the best off the ball defender in the world and with the star kind of players on this team I wouldnt need him to score on anything but lobs, dumpoffs, and putbacks.
Explanation on my bench coming next
Dwyane Wade would be my 6th man off the bench the only reason why I did no start him is I felt Kobe had the edge on perimiter shooting also I would have him come off the bench because he has shown in the 2008 olympics that he provides alot of explosion and energy. Anyway Dwyane can do it all offensively and he can be a great lockdown defende on and off the ball, he is an excellent spark off the bench. Carmelo Anthony would also come off the bench on my team, you could argue to start him over KD but melo would be a great scoring punch off the bench he fits the fiba game perfectley at a solid 6'8 he can somewhat effectively guard smaller power fowards, he is a matchup NIGHTMARE! Another player coming off the bench would be Derrick pooh Rose I feel bad that he is not starting because I constantly feel like he is getting better in every aspect of his game such as his defense, perimiter shooting and court vision. Who knows how good this guy is going to be by the summer of 2012 hes another one thats going to be scary he might become the undisputed number one pg in the world he definitley has all the physical tools. But I do have a legit reason on why I would have him come off the bench my main reason is the same as why D wade is not starting I feel like he would be a great explosive player off the bench he would be a great spark especially in a fast paced game. Amare Stoudamire I would always want this man on my team he is a hard worker he has that reliable mid range to almost 3 point line jumpshot. He is explosive, aggreesive, you need a player like this not just off the bench but on your team. The only reason Chris Paul Is not starting is because I like bigger point guards I really dont have a legit reason I love his game I think he would be great off the bench just playing his role and gettting everobody involved there might not be anyone in the world at getting the best out of there players like cp3 can, he also can be a pesty on the ball defender that can get plent of steals. Chris Bosh just made the cut I really wanted Blake Griffin on here I'll tell you why later but chris bosh would be good on this team I made because he is versatile can block shots rebound and hit the open jumper. Finally my last player is Eric money Gordon you absolutely need a knockdown shooter someone who can come off the bench cold and light it up and thats exactly what he can do if the team is struggling from the outside or dares to play zone just throw him in there and its over
Blake Griffin I wanted him on this team so bad love his game love his toughness and how aggresive he is. Also he is getting better he's a gym rat works on his game. He is another guy who will be scary by the summer of 2012 especially if he continues to improve on his skill level post game etc. My man Russel Westbrook feel so bad to leave him off but there are so much great point guards out there you could have a legit argument on why he should be there and I wouldnt disagree Im just going based on who I feel would be a better fit and russel was just not apart that plan, but he is just flat out beast and will be scary good. Joe Johnson was close to making the team, would have used him as a knockdown shooter, he is also a underrated on the ball defender , love his game just not enough to make this team.
I wanna hear people's teams and reason why they picked certain players, please come up with your team and focus on explaining why you made your team and do not just focus on nitpicking and criticizing my team. I am open for debate but I just dont want it to get crazy. This convo is for people who know basketball if you do not know ball do not bother to write something stupid. Where are all my real basketball junkies let me know how you feel fellas
I hope they don't have the same team as they had during the FIBA tournmane this past summer in Turkey. The games I watched they looked like a one man team being carried by Durant. He was on fire a few games. I thought Odom also played well at times, and Westbrook was either hot or ice cold. A lot of the other NBA "stars" looked absolutely lost at times, is the International game that different? I think the team needs some pure shooters, that was their weakness this summer. They had Stephen Curry on the team, but he didn't play too well.
I think the problem was besides chauncey and lamar the team was really inexperienced the fiba game is alot different, also when you have a team full of good players its hard for some guys that are used to getting as many shots a they want to fit a certain role you need them to play, somebody has to sacrifice not everyone can average 20
Kyle Korver is money catching in a spot up situation or coming off screens. Plus, he is only 29, so not as old as I originally thought and a team orientated guy, which goes without saying playing for Jerry Sloan in Utah for the majority of his career. I think he would be a good addition to the team.
yea his shot is stuck on automatic but would you add him instead of eric gordon? or put him on the team instead of somebody else?
It would be really tough to put Korver ahead of Gordon. I would love to have them both and leave either Bosh or Stoudamire off the original roster. With Howard/Durant and Stoudamire/Bosh patrolling the paint, I think you have enough interior fire power to make it work. You could also argue you do not need 3 PG's on the original roster (Williams, Rose, Paul) when you have D.Wade and LeBron who can play that position as well. I guess it depends on what the top competition looks like. If they are big, you keep Bosh and Stoudamire and if they are small, you go with the trio of Williams, Rose and Paul.
at this point in their careers, i am almost leaning toward a healthy griffin being better suited for international play than bosh. I think griffin could potentially dominate the big men in international ball. And by 2012, he will only be more experienced. Still torn with that decision, but I would probably agree with the other players included in your list.
And it will also be interesting to see what Bynum will be like by 2012, if he remains healthy until then, he could be a scary big both defensively and offensively.
yea your right it all depends what kind of strategy you wanna use.
It will be very interesting to see what Bynum is like by 2012 he could be one of the best bigs in the league if he stays healthy and yea I was really torn leaving blake off the team I kind of wanted to put him there instead of bosh because I think around 2 years from now his skill level will be much higher.
I have one question in 2012 would you start derrick rose, chris paul, or deron williams
Right now it would be Deron Williams or maybe Chris Paul, but in 2012 I think Rose will be the best point guard in the game. This kids work ethic is unmatched around the league. People are always bashing his defense, but his defense has improved and peoples opinion on his defense has not yet. He is not a poor defender at all any more. Its not a strength for him like Russel Westbrook but It is certainly not a weakness, although he still has a lot of room to improve his defense. As for shooting, without question Rose is one of the better three point shooting point guards in the league right now. This is a strength for him, he is not even mediocre at shooting threes, he is now an above average three point shooter.
Rose is attempting 4.2 threes a game and making around 38 percent of them. Now I know this is a little bit of a stretch, but if you watch almost every bulls game like I do you will agree with me. Rose shoots last second heaves at the end of quarters at an extremely high rate. I mean It feels like I see at least one a game, but litterally I think Rose launches 2 prayers at the end of a quarter or even shot clock every 3 games. I know other players attempt these shots too but I wish I had been keeping track of it more closely but I watch a ton of basketball and I dont see any other player attempting nearly as many prayers as Rose puts up. I believe if you went back and took this into account into his 3 point percentage he would lose about .six attempts per game and his makes would be about the same. This would raise his percentage to around .43-.44 percent from 3 which is unbelievable for Rose if you take into account how many attempts he is taking per game, and how much of an improvement this kid has had from last year. Rose's work ethic is unmatched around the league and although players rarely continue to improve at a high rate such as his I believe by 2012 Rose will be the best point guard in the game.
As for the 2012 Roster I believe Wall and Seth Curry both have a shot to make the roster especially curry whos niche for shooting could help the team for a limited role, but I believe both their chances are slim. And Westbrook is great and only going to get better also I love Paul and Williams but I feel once Rose and Westbrook get more experience and their skills and basketball IQ continue to improve I think they will be the top two guards in the league sooner before later
Starters- D.Will, KB24,LBJ,KD,D.Howard
Reserves- D.Rose, Rudy Gay, Amare Stoudimire, E. Gordon, Lamar Odom, CP3 and a healthy Greg Oden!!!!!
injury replacements- Kevin Love, AI9, Carmello Anthony, Tyson Chandler, Danny Granger, Tyreke Evans, Blake Griffin, Darren Collison, Andrew Bynum
I know wtf with the Oden pick, but let's be real, its a huge if, but USA Basketball wouldn't hesitate to have another megabeast defensive center. I didnt put Mello on the team because I don't think he will want to play in 12', but he does he will surely have a roster spot. Stoudimire could start next to Howard depending on the matchup,but the starting 5 will be set if and when those guys comitt to playing. Rudy Gay along with D.Rose and KD played their way on the Olympic team with their good team defense, rebounding, and all 3 can play multiple spots off the bench.
PG Deron Williams (his size gives him the edge on CP3 because he will be able to overpower most of the opposing poing guards)
SG Kobe Bryant (no-brainer as soon as he commited)
SF Lebron James (all-around dominator)
PF Kevin Durant (seemed like a good fit at the 4 in international play)
C Dwight Howard (another no brainer, his ability to run the floor also helps in the international game)
G Chris Paul (highly intelligent floor general)
G Dwyane Wade (ideal sixth man and a very good defender)
G Stephen Curry (this team needs pure shooters)
F Rudy Gay (has become a more complete shooter this year and is still rounding out his game)
F Blake Griffin (Dynamic explosiveness and his energy will be infectious)
F Kevin Love (dominant rebounder, good shooter with passing skill and the ability to play center when needed)
C Amare Stoudemire (a nice fit at center for the international game as he is athletic enough to run the floor and has a nice face up game)
PG Derrick Rose (Great player just happened to be the odd man out in a game of numbers. If his shot and defence continue to improve might deserve a spot after all)
G-F Andre Iguodala (His defensive ability might prove invaluable once again if he is called upon to play for the country)
F Carmelo Anthony (great scorer but this team already has plenty of those, unfortunately he doesn't do enough in other areas for him to be guarenteed a bench spot as far as I'm concerned)
itsdwighthoward...wow bro you know you left derrick rose and carmelo anthony out thats saying something..i could not leave those two out they are just way to talented
except Gordon instead of Steph and maybe Granger instead of Gay. Hopefully Coach K comes back for this team as well.
I think I would start Drose or Deron Williams.
I think that all the pg's should get roughly equal time because they all offer so much in different areas. And the PG is one position where international guards really struggle with defensively. But to end the game, which may be more important than who starts, i would end with either deron or drose. Almost solely because they are the better outside shooters. Even though paul has shown he can shoot efficiently with the shorter arc, i think deron might be the best to close with his range, and rose has almost become reliable from deep also.
Any way you slice it, they are all great PG, and are the best in the game today. It depends on what you want from the squad you have on the floor, and who you are going up against. I'm sure coach k if he coaches will come up with something, as he has impressed me with his international coaching.
I can't see Carmelo Anthony being left off of the team... He's an amazing FIBA player. I'd start him at the four over Kevin Durant.
And I guess he's not popular right now, but Chris Bosh was great in the Olympics. He really thrived playing the five.
I'd also go with Russell Westbrook over Chris Paul. Paul didn't handle the physicality too well in 2008, while it was no problem for Westbrook. Westbrook was the best penetrator on Team USA, while also being a high energy defender.
I don't think Stephen Curry makes the team. He can shoot, but can't defend and didn't handle the physicality all too well. I can't see Rose being left off of the team. With the improvement he's shown thus far, he could be the best point guard in the NBA by then.
I'm not sure Amare Stoudemire will play, with his knee injury history. The same goes for Dwayne Wade, who could choose to sit out considering he'll be 30 years old.
Here's my team:
G - Derrick Rose
G - Kobe Bryant
F - LeBron James
F - Carmelo Anthony
C - Dwight Howard
G - Deron Williams
G - Russell Westbrook
G - Eric Gordon
F - Rudy Gay
F - Kevin Durant
F - Blake Griffin
C - Chris Bosh
yea fritz I agree with you d rose has and amazing work ethic and his shooting keeps on getting better wouldn't doubt him being the best point guard in the league by 2012, Im also going out on a limb that d rose might become top 2-3 player in the nba I dont see him passing kd or lebron but who knows with his kind of work ethic and confidence you never know. Indian basketball I like your team but why would you start melo over KD? is it because of the physicality? him being able to guard stronger power fowards? or do you just personally like his game better? And that is a great argument to keep russel westbrook on the team I just thought if you already have to big physical athletic point guards like Rose and Williams why not add a quick little point guard like Paul to confuse the Defense and give them a different look. you cant really go wrong either way
Russell showed that his game is good for fibba. I know ya'll love rose but his game in fiba is not as good as it is in the NBA. I know its hard but you gotta know how to seperate fandum from what has shown to work
I'd start Melo over Durant because Melo is a much more physical player. Not to mention, Melo has a lot of experience playing FIBA and just thrives playing the four. That's nothing against Durant who was fantastic this past summer, but I just think Melo's "bully ball" fits well in FIBA.
I can't see Rose or Westbrook being left off of the team. Think how much better they'll both be by then... And like I said... Paul just tore his meniscus last season. It might be best for him to sit it out and rest that knee. Even if Paul was healthy, I'd go with Rose and Westbrook over him.
PG Derrick Rose (Great player just happened to be the odd man out in a game of numbers. If his shot and defence continue to improve might deserve a spot after all)
LMFAO. D Rose will be on that team, if not the starter. He will in 2012 probably be the best non Lebron player in the NBA, barring injury. And KB24 starting? are we all sure hes going to be Thattttt good in 2012?
Yes, he'll be good enough to start.
He's not going to be relied on to carry the team. Just provide leadership, defend and make plays when he's called upon. His role won't be much different than it was in 2008.
i dont know...hes looked pretty worn down lately. I guess tho at SG whoelse other than Wade is even remotely close to him? no one. But Wade might be better than him in 2012.
he's a freakin shoe in for this team barring injury....probably the starting center........
Bosh would be better then Griffin in international play because in FIBA most teams would simply zone the Americans to stop them from using their best strength which is strong penetration, due to the lack of a developed outside jumper for Griffin while Bosh is one of the best shooting four men in the league 15 feet out I would think that Bosh would be better also due to the fact that he has already played in the Olympics which gives him an experience advantage over Griffin.