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Now THIS is the pot calling the kettle black..part 2

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Now THIS is the pot calling the kettle black..part 2

Lebron , who charges the basket like a runaway freight train, is now complaining about too physical of defense from the Bulls? Finally, teams might have to start manning up and getting physical with Lebron with him. You cant shut this man down, but you might able to slow him down. People have forgot about the days of the Oakley/Mason Knicks or the "Bad Boy" Pistons, they wouldnt let Lebron run all over them.


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Bulls/Heat Game

I was dissapointed Lebron let the Bulls get in his head. Taj's foul in the 4th was not flagarant (reviewed and confirmed correctly) and than he went down and threw his shoulder into Boozer on a screen out by the 3 point line, in front of everyone, so obvious call. He also was indavertently hit in the lip by that giant of a man, Nate Robinson, as Nate put in a floater down the stretch. Lebron acted like he had received an upper cut from Tyson. You are 100% correct bobbyb, Oakley/Mason are shaking their heads in their lazy boys.

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Dude got a nerve

They don't ever call fouls on him. Its bullsh!t too. Guy never has a foul called on him.

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the good thing is

the game i loved because of the physicality that's the way you should guard a guy like Lebron without hurting him of course i just think if the game would change for a more physical standpoint i think some of this players couldn't handle it because of their lack of mental toughness

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other thing

The new generation of players are soft and kids playing a game changed for them to succeed unfortunaly, of course i still respect and enjoy this generation and the future generation of players but they are not achieving the way others achieve unfortunaly

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I dunno man. I feel Lebrons

I dunno man. I feel Lebrons complaints are valid... and they are the same complaints Dwight Howard has...and Griffin has... and Shaq used to have. These players are HUGE for their positions and more athletic at those spots then just about anyone else in the league.

For Lebron and dipping that shoulder, he only does that when he gets the first step on guys. This means the defender must be sliding over and into Lebron to attempt to stop him. Lowering the shoulder (to either driving side) is ment to provide room to continue to clear the defender. Instead of realizing they've already been beat, most defenders these days will slide into the offensive player hoping to draw a charge. Its a dangerous play by the defender as you saw with Hinrich. I've been on the recieving end of those types of plays often and its some frigging annoying. Bascially the defender knows theres nothing he can do but throw himself at you wrecklessly. Its how dudes get injured. As Lebron mentioned. You can handle it for a while. Take it in stride and just chalk it up as "basketball plays" but it really wears you down eventually. You get tired of not being able to make the right play thats right infront of you because some defender is doing something he shouldn't be doing. Its like a game of chicken. If you hold back the defender wins, if you don't, you risk getting injured. Lebron is completely right imo. He gets hit alot and its the main reason most posters believe he's a bully going to the basket. He's protecting himself more then anything. If guys would stop pin balling him on the way to the hoop, he wouldn't look like such a bully.

Dwight gets slapped, punched, pulled and dragged every game. Typcially its because the defender KNOWS he's either been beat on the play or knows there's nothing he can do to stop what Howard is about to do... thats when the "basketball play" comes out of the defenders pocket. Jumping full blast and having someone rip your shoulder from behind and to the side (which is how Howard hurt his shoulder in the first place) is not a hard foul imo... its dangerous and wreckless. If you want to stop Dwight, get in the gym and work on your skills, quit killing the guy because he's too big, strong or athletic for you to handle. Quit resorting to "basketball plays" on Howard because he works harder then you do in the off season.

Personally I've gone through all of these things at local gyms. Guys get tired of trying to stop you and resort to this junk. Its no longer basketball at this stage and its how fights break out. I had one guy break my sternum because he was mad...and he called the foul on me. shm.

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HotSnot

i understand that i play too, i broke my nose in a fight it was a rival game in europe we have clubs not high school or college games and rival games will have huge problems, well nose, tooth, elbowed, i fall once in an hard foul, and i still play, i play now not in a club but in the street the C position, and i still use my body to punish offensively or defensively, about the fouls funny thing... i don't call fouls on me i let them say they foul me i will defitenly don't call fouls when i foul them... that's the way i play and preach lol

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All those guys got away

All those guys got away murder!! You can youtube " dwight howard elbow" or " shaq elbow clearouts". IF you cant take the pain, dont dish it out

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i agree

i like physical games don't get me wrong, but hurting people is other stuff, i don't agree with that
but if you have guys let's say like Wilt, Shaq, Lebron or Griffin or Howard they have a strong body and use they body and strenght to punish the defense and score at will why shouldn't the defense do the same... about the complaining these players should tough up and man up, wilt was triple teamed, punched he even was elbowed and lost a tooth, Shaq well was Shaq, MJ was always punished in a bad way by the bad boys pistons that's what i'm saying they should be prepared for those kind of games don't get me wrong when i say physical is to use toughen up not hurting people thart's all

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LeBron has always loved

LeBron has always loved inflicting the pain and punishment, but he's never liked taking it. He's allowed to get away with a lot too.

These athletes can be hypocrites. Kobe is another example. He cried and complained about the foul by Dahntay Jones and said it has to be called, but then said that his foul against Ricky Rubio shouldn't be called because you shouldn't make calls like that at the end of the game. Which is it?

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true

they want the superstar threatment and that's a shame, the Jones not call was not foul, and the Kobe not call was a foul, they want to win it badly i understand it but they should earn it the hard and honest way... and Hinrich let's face it it was a foul it was physical but he didn't do it the way Lebron would get hurt he just grabbed him and they fall together that's not a flagrant or an hard foul, The Gibson foul damned the way i see it, another hard foul it was not fragrant he didn't actually attack him only or punched him or elbowed or choke him he fouled on purpose but he actually was attacking the ball let's face it

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Imo the dangerous part of the

Imo the dangerous part of the Hinrich play was not the slide, it was the wrap and pull down. It put Lebron in the awkward position of struggling to protect himself from the fall, which IS dangerous and note worthy.

So Hinrich messed up twice, he slid over to take the charge which was going to be a block no matter what and then to avoid the "and 1" he pulled Lebron to the ground as he fell. Both these are cheapo plays but I will agree that "the slide" is considered normal these days so its not worth picking on. The pull down is another story.

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