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Not sold on Shabazz...

I have waited patiently during this year before I assessed Shabazz as a basketball player and I feel I have a solid idea of who he is as of today. And my assessment is that if I am a NBA team I am in between on what kind of pro he will be. I simply am not sold on him as a basketball player.

He is surprisingly good in catch and shoot situations and really is aggressive on the offensive end of the court. But he has some Rudy Gay in him in that other than score he does nothing well enough to impact winning. I also worry about him offensively because his ball handling skills are below average. He is almost exclusively left handed. I have been watching him since he returned and I have seen him score going left literally twice maybe.

Then there is this... I don't want my SG who is a scorer passing up shots.... BUT...he had another 0 assist game yesterday. In half of the games he has played he has finished the game with 0 assists. This includes the last 3 games where he has 0 assists total in the last 3 games. In my assessment if that few of your assists leads to a basket as a supposed scorer then there is something not right about that. It screams selfish.

He does play hard for the most part but I feel his idea for who he is as a player supersedes who he really will be at the next level.

Someone correct me if I am wrong or let me know if you see some of the same things I communicated.

He does not create for his teammates...he does not create turnovers for his team defensively...he isn't a lock down defender...and as a scorer he is good but I would not call him elite as a scorer.

I feel he is a top 10 pick but I would be worried to pick him in the top 3. Of course I could be wrong because UCLA players in recent times have a habit of playing better at the NBA level than they did in college.


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Off Hand Dribble

He must be good with his off hand if he's only gone left twice this season cause he is a lefty I hope you realize.

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Typo

That should read "only gone right" twice this year....

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Yeah, pretty much everything

Yeah, pretty much everything you said is right. Most mocks have him going in the 5-8 range at this point so it looks like he won't be a top 3 pick, in a year where a player with little offensive ability and has a torn ACL that probably won't be fully healed until mid-season probably will.

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I think I said on here that

I think I said on here that Shabazz had superstar potential.... but im gnna reverse that and say he doesn't... im pretty convinced he will never be... I would still take him top 5 w/o a doubt

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Shabazz is 1 of the top 3

He'll never be mentioned in the same sentence as Kobe or Wade as the nba's top sgs..But he does have the talent to be among that next tier of shooting guards..

Shabazz is 1 of the top 3 prospects for this upcoming draft..This guy's competiveness,workmanlike attitude and ability to score points in a variety of ways in both the halfcourt & in transition is amazing....He might become a more willing passer when he gets to the nba and play with teammates he trust and feel are better then him....1 thing about him i rarely hear anyone talk about is his post game....Almost all of the top prospects have flaws,but i believe Shabazz flaws are the most easiest to fix....

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This guy is the Michael

This guy is the Michael Beasley of shooting guards.

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Micheal Beasley Never had or

Micheal Beasley Never had or Will have Shabazz's work ethic......I dont expect him to become a franchise type player ,but he's going to be a star...

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From what i have read,

From what i have read, Beasley has great work ethic.

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Believe or dont

With Shabazz its just either you believe in him or you dont. He was hyped so much coming out of high school that when he finally stepped on the court at UCLA, he underwhelmed people. But for me personally, he's a top 5 pick. He doesnt pass the ball often, but I dont feel he gets the number of teaches he deserve. I like to watch the way he sets himself up for shots. Although he has glaring weaknesses such as going right, he's a super smart player. He's great at losing his man in screen situations and getting to the foul line. He is not the quickest, but he uses his jab steps and footwork to get to his sweet spots so well. He also is a good rebounder. I think he still has a shot to be a star at the next level. His personality and feel for the game is very unique for a freshman. 18pts 5rbs on 45% shooting and 41% from 3 is impressive enough for me. Any GM that takes them will definitely know they are getting a scorer, nothing more and nothing less.

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Definately a top 8 pick, not

Definately a top 8 pick, not top 3 IMO. The thing I've been surprised about most is the desparity of athleticism from his high school scouting reports to actually watching him move this season. His dad must have been doing the scouting reports if he was ever described as a freak athlete.

It's easy to notice traits that will suit him well in the NBA. Strength, an enormous wingspan, a good jumper, and a high offensive IQ, but in the NBA, compared to all the other 1st and 2nd options in the league, I have a hard time seeing him as more than a 3rd option offensively, maybe 2nd. He's not going to get 15 shots per game in the league ( if he's having an off night, he'll be on the bench as a rookie. 0-8 start with 1 rebound and 0 dimes isn't going to keep you on the floor with the big dogs), and I don't know how valuable he is on the court, if he isn't required to carry a major part in the offensive load. He doesn't distribute, he doesn't hit the boards that hard, and he is an adequate defender, but not disruptive. He's very much a work in progress, and I have my doubts as to what he'll do to respond, he seems like a very selfish guy, which can be good if your team needs a bucket in a pinch or it can be a big problem fitting in with a team.

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Bazz is selfish, no doubt.

Bazz is selfish, no doubt. But he also will never over dribble or be a ball stopper on offense. He either attacks immediately or gives it up. He goes hard every minute he's on the floor. Defenses focus on him and he does a lot of work in the paint so it does allow his teammates good looks playing off him when he draws so much attention. I mean Adams has gotten up 15 a game, Anderson is getting 10 and 10 and looking legit. People are talking about how great drew is this year and the team is winning, so for all the selfish talk, he aint holding anyone back. Rhe fact is he is a unique player and will be hard to tell how he translates to the NBA. But the mental toughness and offensive skills are there so maybe people are being overly critical.

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He has very limited

He has very limited ball-handling ability, and uses his left almost all the time. I think at best he will be a better scoring Jared Dudley.

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One other thing I noticed,

One other thing I noticed, for all the me first talk surrounding him, he has taken 20 shots only once this season. Meanwhile he has taken 15 or less shots in 20 of 28 games played.

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I think you have to

I think you have to understand that he is simply at the wrong school. The school where Reeves Nelson was the focal point. The team where Larry Drew takes the game winning shot even though there is a player with 24 points already in that game. The team that made Russel Westbrook and Kevin Love look like a reach at 4 and 5 respectively. The team that pushed a high recruit, Jrue Holiday, to get drafted at 18 instead of lottery. The team that, until this year, has been a terrible recruiter even though they are in LA and have one of the richest and most historic college basketball program. You see, Shabazz, although not perfect, is a victim of the Ben Howland system. He will be a star. He'll drop, and Detroit will pick him up, like they always do with drops on draft day, and they will become great. I'm calling it here.

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You might have an argument

You might have an argument going for you with most of that but not the Ben is a terrible recruiter talk. He brings in the top recruits. He's had the number 1 ranked recruiting class twice and that doesn't include mcdonalds all- Americans like farmar, afflalo, jsmith, and love. Other Nba caliber guys like Honeycutt and mbah a moute. And reeves was a darn good ball player, he was just a mental case. He stood out for the lakers summer team and was one of the last cuts to the actual roster losing out to sacre in preseason.

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I know I'm of the minority,

I know I'm of the minority, but I really like his game, I feel like it'll take him a while but eventually I believe he'll turn into a 23 ppg scorer.

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I think he's still top 5 out

I think he's still top 5 out of potential alone. In a weak draft like this, there must be a GM willing to add a wing with his skillset. Also, if his work ethic is good enough, he should improve.

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I think he's still top 5 out

I think he's still top 5 out of potential alone. In a weak draft like this, there must be a GM willing to add a wing with his skillset. Also, if his work ethic is good enough, he should improve.

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I think that he could

I think that he could honestly go anywhere between 3 and 10 in this year's draft. Coach Howland never runs a quick offence and loves his man on man defence which may not suit Bazz's game.

Looking for a good fit for Bazz in this year's draft is interesting and the jokes about him falling to Detroit make a lot of sense, Joe Dumars has drafted solidly recently and a well schooled player like Bazz is unlikely to fall past him but a lot will depend where Detroit draft. As a Phoenix fan, we lack a volume scorer so maybe going after Bazz would not be a bad move for us.

Cleveland if they used him as an SF would also be a decent fit and there he would join a young team lead by Kyrie Irving and Coach Saunders would make him earn his shots and he'd not be considered as the possible go to guy so could just come along quietly on a young roster.

I would suggest the Thunder with the pick via Toronto/Houston but they will surely look to retain Kevin Martin and already have Jeremy Lamb who isn't in rotation so minutes for Bazz would be very limited there.

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Well said. The dude is a one

Well said. The dude is a one trick pony who is not a team player. Evident by his lack of playmaking, defense, and tantrum he threw when he didn't get the ball a couple of weeks ago.

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I don't know why, but this

I don't know why, but this post made me slightly angry. You don't know the man so don't say stuff like he's selfish. That "tantrum" he threw, did anyone notice the Wear twins didn't jump on the pile like crazy? He draws so much attention to the defense that he finds ways to get others open, he moves very efficiently with out the ball and crashes the boards very well for a wing, and he doesn't play defense? Stop it, you clearly don't watch the games. I know I'm a little bias on this but I really hate when people make statements like that.

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you know what, i wish minny

you know what, i wish minny would land the 2nd or 3rd pick just because i can see this guy fitting so well in Adelman's system. even if they dont win any of the lotto spots, i wish they trade up to get him. maybe cleveland is willing to swap picks, i dont know. would adding ridnour and derrick williams make it better for them or not? are they still looking to part ways with Varejao?

initially, Bazz was projected as someone who you can build around, but now, he strikes me as a guy like Beal who will excell as a scoring option if he's next to teamates who will relieve him of the main focus of the D. and i believe he can get that in Minny because of the more established players and how much they move the ball around there.

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This entire thread is a

This entire thread is a shocking turn in public sentiment in a very short period of time. 60 days ago I'd say there was about 50% of posters sticking with Bazz vehemetly as a #1 pick. Now its hard to find someone willing to commit to Bazz being a top 3 pick... all this and Bazz has actually played better since the start of the season.

With that said, I agree with the initial post. I like Bazz because I want to like Bazz... but that still doesn't mean I believe he's ready to get minutes in an NBA rotation at this point. Bazz's best quality is as a scorer (it will be much tougher in the NBA), but unless he's given a green light by the drafting team him its hard to know what else he can do that will give him playing time over an established veteran.

With Bazz's work ethic and by the end of his rookie contract he may end up as a starting caliber SG but teams drafting in the top5 are looking for immediate help... not help in 3 or 4 years when they may need to pay heavy money to a player they already paid to develop and not play at the start of his career.

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For some reason I cannot stop

For some reason I cannot stop but think and compare him to Drummond last year. Drummond was more hyped than Bazz coming out of school into college, and underwhelmed in his freshman season in College. Drummond somehow slipped to no9 and I think we could see the same with Bazz, maybe not to 9 as this is a fairly weak draft and the 2012 draft was much stronger, but I think this time next year we are going to be thinking how did he drop and why we rode him off so early.

Side note - I understand Drummond was in a worse system in UConn then Bazz is in UCLA.

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Bazz has potential but his

Bazz has potential but his game just screams 20 point a game scorer on a bad team. He is going to get his but other than that he doesn't bring much to the table. He can play and he plays hard but he doesn't have the intangibles I look for from a top 3 pick. It will be very interesting to see how his game translates to the league. His isolation style could fit well with some teams that need scoring but a team that needs someone to do the little things and help their team win should go with Otto Porter over him in a heartbeat.

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It's crazy, what if someone

It's crazy, what if someone told you in September that Shabazz would get reinstated, play all but three of the team's games, and average 18 and 5 on 45% shooting and 41% from three? I think we expected to much from him, he isn't a Kevin Durant or Kobe type of superstar player, he's going to be a slightly lesser James Harden, without the court vision and amazing Basketball IQ. I still think he's going to be a surefire All-Star, I'd pick him in the top 4 for sure.

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I think he can be a solid

I think he can be a solid player because he can shoot and has the physical tools to be solid on defense. More than that, I don't know. For one thing, he's not a guaranteed 20 ppg scorer. Unless he's really going to be a 40 percent plus three point shooter on a ton of attempts, he doesn't fit the mold with his lack of a dribble drive/dribble shoot game.

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