Noah/Anthony Swap Revisited?
Does anyone else feel that Chicago may want to revisit including Noah in a deal for Anthony?
After watching Chicago last night I got frustrated watching Rose have to create all of the offense for the Bulls. Even after Boozer rounds back into form (and he will), the 20 and 10 he contributes to the offense may not be enough offense to keep Chicago competitive with Orlando, Boston, etc.....
The current SF Deng makes me want to pull my hair out.......he will play badly for 27 minutes and play great for 5 minutes......he is not consistent enough to solve the scoring problems out on the wing.
Carmelo is obviously a pure scorer who would help in that category. Chicago has the right sized market he is looking for, and he would not be going to a gutted team (Rose, Boozer, Deng (off the bench)) is a good amount of talent. The longer Denver waits the fewer good deals they will have. New Jersey is no longer a destination because Anthony has stated he will not sign an extension.......
Understand I am not undervaluing Noah here. He is a great defensive center who can give any team he is on 17 and 15. He plays with more passion than almost anyone else in the league and is a true leader. But you have to give up talent to get talent.
Asik would be serviceable as a big stiff in the middle for the rest of the season and Thomas can back him up. I'm not sure about the rest of the trade package but it would be an ongoing dialogue (obviously if Denver also demanded Gibson then forget it......the frontcourt would be to depleted).........Noah and two number 1s would be a good starting point......
It was always a no brainer.
With Rose, a healthy Boozer and Deng they have more then enough scoring from core players, so I don't think it'd be worth giving up Noah who's in the utmost elite in rebounding and blocking shots and perfectly complements the scorers. The only teams I could see over-reaching for Melo are teams like the Nets who need someone that can really go one-on-one and generate offense. When Boozer is healthy the Bulls will be excellent, they shouldn't change anything right now.
I think they should revisit this trade. It makes Chicago a little undersized but Carmelos 25-30 a game makes up for that. They could bring deng in off the bench and start Taj Gobson at pf. it would look like
with Deng being 6th man, adding Korver, Brewer, and Watson off the bench.
Makes this team kinda scary.
Chicago can't play defense. Scoring wont be a problem much and without Noah there defense gets even worse
The back court isn't gonna stop another teams back court in most games, Boozer isn't much of a defender. Deng is OK and Noah is pretty good. Brewer is a good defender but he can't hit a jump shot so who ever is checking him and play off him and clog the lane to help out on rose or Boozer
Asik would gain some minutes, and hes ranked 14th in the NBA in blocks per 48 min. Taj does some work defensivley. Like previously said Deng and Brewer are good defenders. They arent a total fail defensively, and their rebounding wouldnt be elite, but it wouldnt be too bad either.
Melo, who is a good 6'8, is finally starting to do a little rebounding this year at 8.1 a game, but historically he usually will get you about 6. Luol Deng could get about 6 a game.
They have Taj Gibson who can grab 8-10 a game. Boozer will get you 10-12.
I actually think this team could contend for a high seed in the east with this roster
Yeah he would get minutes but he's not Noah. He has good potential but hes a big step down from Noah. Its not a sure thing that he would build trmendously on those stats while playing most of the time against starting NBA centers. He's also averaging 2 fouls in 12 minutes so he would be fouled out either somewhere in the 3rd quarter or on the bench alot
Im not saying Asik would start though. im saying that his minutes would rise from 12, probably to about 20ish. He would def be with the second unit, so i dont think that he would see most of his time against the other starting centers. I think if he works with Ron Adams, Andy Greer, Rick Brunson and Adrian Griffin (bulls assitant coaches) on staying out of foul trouble and becoming a defensive minded shot blocker/rebounder, hes got a good chance at becoming Noah-like in the future. Not saying he is Noah by any means though
So who replaces Noah at center? (please dont say taj gibson or boozer because even a average center would give them problems)
That would be the main issue if this trade was to go down. Again remember, I'm only going based off of this trade idea presented by QuickPostA, i have another trade idea in mind that would probably work better than Noah for Anthony. Anyway, Asik sure as hell would not be able to start on any team at this juncture, maybe sometime in the future, but not now.
Bottom line, I think that they need some legitimate perimeter scoring regardless if they can get Carmelo or not. This team still is a work in progress, and I don't see them winning a championship with this team. Unless their chips fall perfectly, this team can only be a legit, second round playoff team like the Hawks. Boozer is a solid addition, and he is an efficient player, but he isn't the type of player to get you over a hump that is the Magic, Heat, and Celtics.
The only perimeter scoring they have really is kyle korver and occasionally d-rose and bogans
I don't think it should be revisited for two crucial reasons. One, a center is so crucial to any team especially if they want to win a championship. Noah is ideal starting 5 and with Boozer that tandem down low would be very hard to stop. This is different than his round with Utah, because there Booz had Okur who was not a good post scorer as Booz was but he could definitely spread the floor but defensively they were the same player. Now in Chicago, Booz is still a better post player than Noah, but Noah plays defense so much better than Booz, that his defense might just shed off on Booz, and he might actually learn to block a few shots too! But trading Noah for Melo would not really help them. Yes the three is the most exciting position to watch but not the most inportant. I feel that it is the post game that matters the most with the PG being a close second.
A team looking like Rose, Bogans, Melo, Booz, and Asik would be horrible post and even worse than the core that Melo is playing with right now in Denver. And even if the Bulls do not start Asik, it would still look horrible, Boozer is no Center not by any means. At center he is like a Brook Lopez but an even worse defender. Your center needs to be a defensive presence, the scoring is second to me at least for the 5. Boozer is much better as a 4. Watching him in Utah for so long, I cringed when I saw Boozer play Center. Trust me its not a pretty sight.
Two, I seriously think that a lineup of Rose, Bogans, Melo, Booz and Asik would be worse than the current lineup of Rose, Bogans, Deng, Booz, and Noah. Anthony doesn't want to go a big market he also wants to go to contender for a championship not a team that only makes it to the eastern championship year in and year out. (and they would probably lose that eastern championship too.) I seriously doubt the Bulls would make it to the Finals without Noah. I really think that that is where the Bulls will finish with Melo but no Noah. Continuously making the playoffs but not contending for a championship is not a good place to be in especially if you have a star player. Not only does it create no room for improvement but also it makes the star players very unhappy. And the Bulls would have two of them! Being a Jazz fan this is exactly what happens. It gets very frustrating to make the playoffs continuously but then always coming up short of the goal and then very little room for improvement so likely you come up with the same result the next year as well. Believe me Bulls fans it is frustrating. And believe me Bulls fans that will happen if the Bulls choose give up Noah for Melo. Noah is crucial to Chicago's success. But with a lineup of Rose, Bogans, Deng, Booz and Noah, Chicago has a chance to land Jordan Hamilton in the draft this year who I would think would be a big upgrade at the 2. Also you could probably have alot more success (win wise) trading Deng for a shooting guard, and then starting either Hamilton or Brewer at the 3.
I still think that in the end New York will pull off the trade for Melo. Probably giving up Gallo, two picks, and Curry for him. A third team might also be involved.
why not do a deng, bogans, +2 first rounders for anthony? Deng replaces Anthonys starting role and Anthony replaces Deng in chicago, and they get to keep Noah. Denver gets super role player Bogans, and picks.
In order for that trade to work Phxsuns6 the Bulls would have to also include either James Johnson or Kurt Thomas. I think the Nuggets would only accept it though if it was Deng, Johnson, Bogans, and two first rounders. But in the end the Knicks offer of Gallo, Curry and two first rounders looks like a better offer. In order to really interest the Nuggets and detract them from doing the trade with New York, I think Chicago would have to include Noah. But just stick with what you have Bulls, and build though the draft and free agency. It will work out better.