[llperez]

Ten 50 point games in a season. (the entire nba didnt combine for 10 fifty point games last season)

 81 point game no overtime.

 35.4 ppg for a season. (last season westbrook led the nba with 28.1ppg. The closest since kobe’s 35.4 was durants 32 in 2014)

 62 points in 3 quarters without playing the 4th. (2 weeks before the 81 point game and widely considered more impressive becasue the mavs were a very good team and kobe outscored them himself through 3 quarters)

Do we see any of these number being surpassed in next 10 seasons? 20 seasons? 

yes im hugging kobe’s nuts but honestly, do you guys see someone doing these things anytime soon? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hoopscopParticipant]

His usage and the amount of shots he took on a bad Lakers team was mindboggling and ten years laters you see throughout the L sophisticated offenses which share the ball and search for the best shot. But there is a silver lining, I believe pace will explode the coming years so there will be more shots to take.

[hoopscopParticipant]

His usage and the amount of shots he took on a bad Lakers team was mindboggling and ten years laters you see throughout the L sophisticated offenses which share the ball and search for the best shot. But there is a silver lining, I believe pace will explode the coming years so there will be more shots to take.

[llperez]

 tota l usage is a good thing to bring up so i just looked per 100 possesions by the player who led the league in scoring each year since 2006….

2006; kobe 45.6ppg per 100 possesions

2007: kobe 39.7ppg per 100 posseions

2008: lebron 39.6ppg per 100 possesions

2009 wade 41.8ppg per 100 possesions

2010: durant 39.4ppg per 100 possesions

2011: durant 36.8ppg per 100 possesions

2012: durant 37.5ppg per 100 possesions

2013: melo 41.4ppg per 100 possesions

2014: durant 41.8ppg per 100 possesions

2015: westbrook 41.1ppg per 100 possesions

 also if you want to go based on per 36mpg, then kobe averaged 31.1 ppg per 36 minutes in 2006 while no one has averaged 30 ppg per 36 minutes played since then. So base on usage kobe still hasnt been touched, 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[llperez]

 tota l usage is a good thing to bring up so i just looked per 100 possesions by the player who led the league in scoring each year since 2006….

2006; kobe 45.6ppg per 100 possesions

2007: kobe 39.7ppg per 100 posseions

2008: lebron 39.6ppg per 100 possesions

2009 wade 41.8ppg per 100 possesions

2010: durant 39.4ppg per 100 possesions

2011: durant 36.8ppg per 100 possesions

2012: durant 37.5ppg per 100 possesions

2013: melo 41.4ppg per 100 possesions

2014: durant 41.8ppg per 100 possesions

2015: westbrook 41.1ppg per 100 possesions

 also if you want to go based on per 36mpg, then kobe averaged 31.1 ppg per 36 minutes in 2006 while no one has averaged 30 ppg per 36 minutes played since then. So base on usage kobe still hasnt been touched, 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

A lot of guys could score even more points than Kobe if they were encouraged to take 27 shots per game.

He only shot 45% and 34% from 3pt.

If Steph Curry took the same number of shots, he’d average closer to 38ppg. 

It’s not like either player struggled to get their shot off. 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

A lot of guys could score even more points than Kobe if they were encouraged to take 27 shots per game.

He only shot 45% and 34% from 3pt.

If Steph Curry took the same number of shots, he’d average closer to 38ppg. 

It’s not like either player struggled to get their shot off. 

 

 

 

[llperez]

 you are assuming defenses do not adjust to a players approach. the more you look to shoot hte more defenses look to gaurd against you and shut you down. When you are kicking it to kaly thompson, have andre iguodala to take guys off the dribble and have bigs like bogut and green down low to keep defenses honest, that opens up opportunities for you. When you are kicking it to smush parker, have luke walton helping to create offense and have kwame brown and lamar odom down low, defenses can stick to you more. Those percentages change based on circumstances. 

[llperez]

 you are assuming defenses do not adjust to a players approach. the more you look to shoot hte more defenses look to gaurd against you and shut you down. When you are kicking it to kaly thompson, have andre iguodala to take guys off the dribble and have bigs like bogut and green down low to keep defenses honest, that opens up opportunities for you. When you are kicking it to smush parker, have luke walton helping to create offense and have kwame brown and lamar odom down low, defenses can stick to you more. Those percentages change based on circumstances. 

[Anton123Participant]

That’s a silly statement, if Stephen Curry had to take 27 shots a game (10 more shots than he took), no way would he shoot 49% from the field or average 38 ppg, the reason why he shoots a high percentage is because he can pick the shots he’s comfortable with.

That’s like saying a player who plays 12 minutes and scores 8 ppg could easily average 24+ ppg if given the minutes. It just doesn’t work that way. Saying A LOT  of guys could average over 35.4 ppg on 45% shooting is simply not true.

 Kobe’s team also finished with a 45-37 record that year, he wasn’t just getting pointless stats in losses.

[Anton123Participant]

That’s a silly statement, if Stephen Curry had to take 27 shots a game (10 more shots than he took), no way would he shoot 49% from the field or average 38 ppg, the reason why he shoots a high percentage is because he can pick the shots he’s comfortable with.

That’s like saying a player who plays 12 minutes and scores 8 ppg could easily average 24+ ppg if given the minutes. It just doesn’t work that way. Saying A LOT  of guys could average over 35.4 ppg on 45% shooting is simply not true.

 Kobe’s team also finished with a 45-37 record that year, he wasn’t just getting pointless stats in losses.

[llperez]

 exactly. Lebron shot 39% from the field in the finals in large part becasue he was without his two best teammates and was asked to do more then normal and the defenses were able to load up on him.

Acting like percentages carry over is silly. Admittingly kobe has always been a realtively poor fg shooter even on good teams, but that doesnt explain the fact he has put up some numbers that nobody, good team or bad, has come close to matching. Do you really think curry could go get 81 points or drop 50 every other week if he simply decided to and defnses loaded up on him? Hell dellevedova gave him fits.

 

[llperez]

 exactly. Lebron shot 39% from the field in the finals in large part becasue he was without his two best teammates and was asked to do more then normal and the defenses were able to load up on him.

Acting like percentages carry over is silly. Admittingly kobe has always been a realtively poor fg shooter even on good teams, but that doesnt explain the fact he has put up some numbers that nobody, good team or bad, has come close to matching. Do you really think curry could go get 81 points or drop 50 every other week if he simply decided to and defnses loaded up on him? Hell dellevedova gave him fits.

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

Bro honestly, I couldn’t disagree more with literally everything you’ve said on this topic

[SubZeroParticipant]

Bro honestly, I couldn’t disagree more with literally everything you’ve said on this topic

[Rip255]

 Nice. Im sure theres a forum where no one disagrees that I think you might like.

 

[Rip255]

 Nice. Im sure theres a forum where no one disagrees that I think you might like.

 

[Rip255]

 So if Kevin Durant took 28 shots…he wouldnt score 35ppg?

[Rip255]

 So if Kevin Durant took 28 shots…he wouldnt score 35ppg?

[llperez]

 no way to know. Does he have as many offensive moves kobe? no he does not. Has he been more efficient as a scorer then kobe? Yes. But who knows what happens when you try and score at a high rate and teams try and stop you. Durant has four 50 point games in his entire nba career. Kobe had that many 50 point games in the month of january 2006. twenty six 50 point games in his career overall not counting dozens of games in the 45-50 range. to act like durant could simply decide to score 50 when he wants when he has only done it 4 times in 8 seasons. is silly. Guys would shut him down if tried to take that many shots.

[llperez]

 no way to know. Does he have as many offensive moves kobe? no he does not. Has he been more efficient as a scorer then kobe? Yes. But who knows what happens when you try and score at a high rate and teams try and stop you. Durant has four 50 point games in his entire nba career. Kobe had that many 50 point games in the month of january 2006. twenty six 50 point games in his career overall not counting dozens of games in the 45-50 range. to act like durant could simply decide to score 50 when he wants when he has only done it 4 times in 8 seasons. is silly. Guys would shut him down if tried to take that many shots.

[bumbleb33Participant]

 kd dosent need offensive moves like Kobe. he is a 6’11 freak with a massive wingspan. he dropped 30ppg on 50/40/90 one season

[bumbleb33Participant]

 kd dosent need offensive moves like Kobe. he is a 6’11 freak with a massive wingspan. he dropped 30ppg on 50/40/90 one season

[Rip255]

Lebron could score 100 on the 76ers if he didnt pass.

[Rip255]

Lebron could score 100 on the 76ers if he didnt pass.

[BallGawd01Participant]

I think the only player that could realitiscally touch it would be kd, but he probably won’t do it because he plays with westbrook.  

[BallGawd01Participant]

I think the only player that could realitiscally touch it would be kd, but he probably won’t do it because he plays with westbrook.  

[Rip255]

 I believe in 10 years.. offenses will be so good that a single 3pt specialist will take almost all the shots.

One player will hit 20x3pts in a game regularly.

Plays will be entirely designed to get the designated shooter open.

 

 

[Rip255]

 I believe in 10 years.. offenses will be so good that a single 3pt specialist will take almost all the shots.

One player will hit 20x3pts in a game regularly.

Plays will be entirely designed to get the designated shooter open.

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Only player right now who I think could realistically come close is kd, and he would have to be in a situation like Kobe was in 2006, which he is not. 

In 10-20 years though, who knows?

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Only player right now who I think could realistically come close is kd, and he would have to be in a situation like Kobe was in 2006, which he is not. 

In 10-20 years though, who knows?

 

[dcaseParticipant]

 You’re telling me that offenses will evolve to be mainly dependent on a single 3pt shooter as the main source of scoring over a 48 minute game and that coaches will look to do this in order to win games.  On the flip side of things don’t you think the opposing coach would have defensive schemes to limit the 3 point shooters touches and open looks?  Most 3 point specialists are not great off the dribble and can’t consistently create their own shots…..thus making it easier to come up with defensive schemes to limit their open looks.

 

It’s hard for me to see a player hitting 20 3 pts baskets in a single game once, let alone regularly. The most 3 point attempts in a single game is 22.  Assume someone were to shoot 30 3 point fgs in a game.  They would have to make 66% of them to hit the 20 mark you referenced above.  Could it possibly happen…….yes, but unlikely, especially on a regular basis. 

[dcaseParticipant]

 You’re telling me that offenses will evolve to be mainly dependent on a single 3pt shooter as the main source of scoring over a 48 minute game and that coaches will look to do this in order to win games.  On the flip side of things don’t you think the opposing coach would have defensive schemes to limit the 3 point shooters touches and open looks?  Most 3 point specialists are not great off the dribble and can’t consistently create their own shots…..thus making it easier to come up with defensive schemes to limit their open looks.

 

It’s hard for me to see a player hitting 20 3 pts baskets in a single game once, let alone regularly. The most 3 point attempts in a single game is 22.  Assume someone were to shoot 30 3 point fgs in a game.  They would have to make 66% of them to hit the 20 mark you referenced above.  Could it possibly happen…….yes, but unlikely, especially on a regular basis. 

[Rip255]

 Just look at the year by year data since the 3pt line was introduced and continue the trend for another 10 years…

20 out of 30 isnt hard for someone like Steph Curry. 

 

[Rip255]

 Just look at the year by year data since the 3pt line was introduced and continue the trend for another 10 years…

20 out of 30 isnt hard for someone like Steph Curry. 

 

[dcaseParticipant]

Yes……the number of total 3 point attempts taken by teams have increased since the NBA adopted the 3 point line.  However, the number of attempts taken by an individual in a single game hasn’t necessarily shown a steady increase over the years.  For example JR Smith holds the record with 22 attempts in a single game (2014), but guys back in the early-mid 90s had attempted 20 in a single game (Michael Adams 1991 and George McCloud 1996). Its hard to imagine that number jumping up to 30 attempts, or the number made 3s jumping from 12 to 20. Is it possible to happen once or twice in the next several years……yes, especially for a guy that shoots the ball as well as Curry. But to say it could happen on a regular basis is a stretch.  Keep in mind Curry averaged 8 attempts per game this past year.  Big difference between 8 and 30 three point shot attempts in a game.  Not sure any teammate or coach would be happy watching someone jack up 30 3’s on a regular basis.

 

 

 

[dcaseParticipant]

Yes……the number of total 3 point attempts taken by teams have increased since the NBA adopted the 3 point line.  However, the number of attempts taken by an individual in a single game hasn’t necessarily shown a steady increase over the years.  For example JR Smith holds the record with 22 attempts in a single game (2014), but guys back in the early-mid 90s had attempted 20 in a single game (Michael Adams 1991 and George McCloud 1996). Its hard to imagine that number jumping up to 30 attempts, or the number made 3s jumping from 12 to 20. Is it possible to happen once or twice in the next several years……yes, especially for a guy that shoots the ball as well as Curry. But to say it could happen on a regular basis is a stretch.  Keep in mind Curry averaged 8 attempts per game this past year.  Big difference between 8 and 30 three point shot attempts in a game.  Not sure any teammate or coach would be happy watching someone jack up 30 3’s on a regular basis.

 

 

 

[llperez]

 speaking of threes, most hit in a single game….kobe

[llperez]

 speaking of threes, most hit in a single game….kobe

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Tied with donyell Marshall (12)

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Tied with donyell Marshall (12)

[BallGawd01Participant]

hahaha I forgot about that one #2NDGOAT 

[BallGawd01Participant]

hahaha I forgot about that one #2NDGOAT 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Klay Thompson could make a run at a single game thing like that.  He DID have 25 in a quarter.  But he would have to be RIDICULOUSLY hot.

Not even talking about 81, but not that many guys have even hit for 70 before.  

Wilt, MJ, and Kobe are in their own category.  Kobe had the shortest raw scoring peak, but he COULD do it, as the evidence shows.  

How many guys have averaged 35 in a season?  Besides Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, and Kobe I can’t think of anyone else.  Rick Barry might have done it once…

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Klay Thompson could make a run at a single game thing like that.  He DID have 25 in a quarter.  But he would have to be RIDICULOUSLY hot.

Not even talking about 81, but not that many guys have even hit for 70 before.  

Wilt, MJ, and Kobe are in their own category.  Kobe had the shortest raw scoring peak, but he COULD do it, as the evidence shows.  

How many guys have averaged 35 in a season?  Besides Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, and Kobe I can’t think of anyone else.  Rick Barry might have done it once…

 

 

 

[dcaseParticipant]

 Elgin Baylor averaged 38pts to go along with 18 rebounds one year.

[dcaseParticipant]

 Elgin Baylor averaged 38pts to go along with 18 rebounds one year.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Jordan and Kobe are the only 2 players since 1967 to average 35 ppg for a season.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Jordan and Kobe are the only 2 players since 1967 to average 35 ppg for a season.

[TheTruth86Participant]

 Averaged 33 ppg in 2006 and 30+ ppg on three occasions before that.

[TheTruth86Participant]

 Averaged 33 ppg in 2006 and 30+ ppg on three occasions before that.

[cjwParticipant]

If KD had the shot selection of JR or Monta then he could put up 40 ppg

 

[cjwParticipant]

If KD had the shot selection of JR or Monta then he could put up 40 ppg

 

[Rip255]

 People talking like Kobe is the Goat here. 

Hes not even in the All Time Lakers starting 5. 

 

 

[Rip255]

 People talking like Kobe is the Goat here. 

Hes not even in the All Time Lakers starting 5. 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 You’re crazy.  He’s the greatest Laker of all time.  Had Magic not caught the HIV then obviously it’s him but its not because he did.  

Ridiculously stupid statement.  Go ahead and say West if you want.  Just means my squad would be better.

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 You’re crazy.  He’s the greatest Laker of all time.  Had Magic not caught the HIV then obviously it’s him but its not because he did.  

Ridiculously stupid statement.  Go ahead and say West if you want.  Just means my squad would be better.

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Good stuff Llperez…lots of research done on this. I doubt anybody will put up the kind of scoring numbers Kobe did for a long time, but if one guy were to get close it would be Durant I’d say. His shooting ability, size, playing style all are conducive to longevity, he’s efficient, gets to the line a lot, is a threat to score from anywhere on the floor and before last year was surprisingly durable. 

Only thing holding Durant back from that is probably Westbrook, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing because I doubt even KD would want to have to take 20-25 shots per game if he could score 28 on 18 shots. Kobe would’ve probably done the same. 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Good stuff Llperez…lots of research done on this. I doubt anybody will put up the kind of scoring numbers Kobe did for a long time, but if one guy were to get close it would be Durant I’d say. His shooting ability, size, playing style all are conducive to longevity, he’s efficient, gets to the line a lot, is a threat to score from anywhere on the floor and before last year was surprisingly durable. 

Only thing holding Durant back from that is probably Westbrook, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing because I doubt even KD would want to have to take 20-25 shots per game if he could score 28 on 18 shots. Kobe would’ve probably done the same. 

 

[Rip255]

Who was defending Kobe that time he got 81.

I want to name and shame the worst defensive job in history.

 

[Rip255]

Who was defending Kobe that time he got 81.

I want to name and shame the worst defensive job in history.

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

It was Jalen Rose.. Jalen Rose was defending Kobe when he dropped 81, I vividly remember this game as a kid because I kept asking myself “why hasn’t Jalen Rose punched Kobe in the nuts yet to keep Kobe from humiliating him”

[Robb_CParticipant]

It was Jalen Rose.. Jalen Rose was defending Kobe when he dropped 81, I vividly remember this game as a kid because I kept asking myself “why hasn’t Jalen Rose punched Kobe in the nuts yet to keep Kobe from humiliating him”

[MopgrassParticipant]

 I think 28 points per game is the threshold over which your teammates start to hate you. It really takes a guy who doesn’t care what others think. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 I think 28 points per game is the threshold over which your teammates start to hate you. It really takes a guy who doesn’t care what others think. 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Klay Thompson has the size and pure shooting touch.  Does he have the mentality though?

You could go with Steph Curry too since he has the ball in his hands and can get anywhere he wants to on the court.

For Steph, if he hit 15 3 pointers and made 10 free throws in a game then that would get him to 55 points.  He could probably get another 26 points on layups, floaters, and pull ups.

Kobe’s 81 might have been more impressive than Wilt’s 100.  Supposedly Wilt’s own team was intentially fouling trying to get Wilt to 100 points.

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Klay Thompson has the size and pure shooting touch.  Does he have the mentality though?

You could go with Steph Curry too since he has the ball in his hands and can get anywhere he wants to on the court.

For Steph, if he hit 15 3 pointers and made 10 free throws in a game then that would get him to 55 points.  He could probably get another 26 points on layups, floaters, and pull ups.

Kobe’s 81 might have been more impressive than Wilt’s 100.  Supposedly Wilt’s own team was intentially fouling trying to get Wilt to 100 points.

 

 

 

[SoIntentionalParticipant]

 Klay Thompson Had 37 points in a quarter.

[SoIntentionalParticipant]

 Klay Thompson Had 37 points in a quarter.

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