[draft2017Participant]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8177054/johnette-howard-minus-jeremy-lin-carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-better-win

 

 

[Wavy BagelsParticipant]

The pressure for Melo to win was there even when got traded for half a roster.

[Shaquille OatmealParticipant]

This scapegoating of Carmelo is really nauseating.  Everyone just needs to stop.  I guess now that LeBron’s got a ring, this might be the new "story" for talentless (or just plain lazy) "journalists" and "analysts" to latch on to.  And this is coming from a Knicks fan who thought trading for Carmelo Anthony was a monumental blunder.  But, bottom line, this just needs to stop.

[draft2017Participant]

why should they stop when he has only won 1 playoff game while being with the knicks. Imagine if lebron was in melo situation

[Shaquille OatmealParticipant]

I don’t believe in scapegoating anyone.  If LeBron only had one playoff win with the Heat, I’d still be saying that he’s the best player in the game and should not be blamed for the Heat’s losses.  And I would search for meaningful, verifiale reasons as to why they’re not being successful.  We not to stop this star fixation and actually analyze basketball.  Believe it or not, there are dozens of factors involved in whether a team is successful or not–none of which include whether or not the superstar on a given team "has what it takes to win", "the will to win", the "clutch gene" or any other ridiculous, meaningless cliche that’s tossed out by the Skip Baylesses of the world every day.  People keep making these ludicrous unfalsifiable claims when it comes to stuff like this.  That’s what needs to stop.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

The presure was on when he was the third pick in the draft. Nothing new here.

Also his attitude is nothing new. As long as he continues to score 25 points a game the fans will consider him a star and they will look the other way about the lack of defense, the bad shots and the eratic effort.

[phila9012Participant]

 He is good, nobody is comparing him to lebron(you morons who are doing that are the same people who said jordan wouldnt leave cleveland if he was lebron). Melo said Lins contract was stupid and acted like Lin was getting way overpaid, but 8 million a year is not too bad. Amare is more over paid than Lin at least you can market Lin. Anthony is boys with Amare so he wouldnt say that, that this the contract that could hurt the knicks not Lins.

[Shaquille OatmealParticipant]

I wasn’t comparing him to LeBron.  I was comparing the type of baseless criticism he’s getting in trash articles like these to the incessant, meaningless criticism LeBron was getting until the Heat won the title.  Look at what I actually said if that’s what you’re referring to.  And he didn’t say Lin’s contract was stupid, he said it was "ridiculous".  Which it is!  That’s a ridiculous contract that Houston put together.  He was just being honest.  He didn’t comment on whether he thought it was a good or bad thing or whether the Knicks should match it or not.  I think it’s a ridiculous contract and I’m a Jeremy Lin fan.  And I’m happy for him! It’s still a ridiculous contract though.  I’m not going to criticize Carmelo for being honest. 

[ghrghrParticipant]

 It’s not scapegoating. When you are the Star of a team it is just natural that most of the blame for the team’s failures falls on you.

It’s not baseless criticism.

People said Lebron came short in the clutch and that happened many times and may still happen in the future. People say Carmelo’s style of play stops the flow of the offense and hurts his team when he is not playing very well. That is true. Some say he isn’t the easiest player to deal with, I can’t say that is true, but there are some signs that it is.

The ridiculous contract thing may have been taken out of context, though.

[fennisdemboParticipant]

ridiculous contracts are the knicks specialty, had to be more to it. can you imagine how melo felt sitting and watching lin’s spectacular ride?? knicks winning while he isnt playing, same thing happened in denver. had to hurt. had to crush his massive ego. my money is on melo and woodson coming to an agreement which benefitted them both, let lin go. melo retains his role as undisputed leader of team so nothing can get in the way of his hero ball play and woodson gets the support of his star player so he keeps his job.

 

lin is worth the 5 mil a year for the first 2 years of the contract and either 2 things happen, he lives up to it and gets paid and everyones happy in the 3rd year or they trade that extremely valuable 15 mil expiring contract and only end up paying 10mil over 2 years on the lin experiment.

above all else the knicks need that depth at guard with shumpert out now the whole thing rests with kidd and felton, what a terrible move. makes zero sense to me as does everything knicks related.

[NYK2010Participant]

Can’t expect him to win playoff games when half the roster is hurt and facing the best team in the league.

He is at fautl for the lack of chemistry on the court but he’s not the only one to blame.

 

[Professor RozayParticipant]

Melo is one of the best players in the league. He has his faults just like other players. Nobody is perfect. People wanted him to win a ring right when he got in the door. You can’t seriously thing that was going to happen. It takes a lot to win a ring. You have to have good chemistry, great leadership from the top players and the coach. Have to get some good bench guys and role players that do their job well. The organization needs to surround melo around the right players and coach to help him win. But the NYK (my team) have real issues with the people that run the show. Until that changes I’m not sure they are going to win another ring.

I’m one of a few people who think that letting Lin go was the right thing to do. I wrote about this in another related topic about Lin syaing that what he did for NYK was good at the time. He give some life to the garden and the world of basketball. But when it comes down to it the dude is not the point guard that is going to lead your team to a deep playoff run. If the Rockets don’t get some big time players around Lin they are not even going to make the playoffs during his time in Houston. Then they will be looking to move him during the thrid year on his deal. The NBA is a what can you do for me now league. If he can’t match or play close to what he did during those 25 games in New York people are not going to even talk about him anymore.

[DolanCareParticipant]

To be honest, I have a hard time seeing Melo ever winning a ring unless the offense is orchestrated by someone else. The only time Melo went deep into the playoffs is when Billups was running the show….that’s not a coincidence IMO.

If Melo wants a championship he needs a point guard (this is not an endorsement for Lin) who can get everyone involved. This might mean that Melo can’t just perch on the wing waiting to go ISO.

MOVE MELO! MOVE!

[ghrghrParticipant]

 people say melo needs to have the right players around him, but who are these players?

I can’t think of many players who can play well with him. Maybe 4 guys who can defend and just watch on offense while melo takes all the shots…

melo is a great player, but it is extremely hard to build around him.

[rtbtParticipant]

Carmleo Anthony is not a great player. He’s an elite offensive talent who’s unstoppable with the ball in his hands. But his style of play often destroys team chemistry. That’s why George Karl’s eyes lit up after the trade with NY. Karl actually started to enjoy coaching again. I like Anthony and I think he means well, but he only knows how to play one way.

When Anthony was out of the lineup and Lin was running the show, it reminded me of the Knick’s glory days with Bradley, Clyde, Debussure, etc. Why? Because ball movement was crisp and precise, everyone was involved on the offensive end.

And as a little aside, Lin took a bunch of bench warmers to a place nobody thought they would go. Dolan is an imbecile.

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