1. Center- This is a huge need especially in the playoffs. Most would say Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler or Greg Oden but a more realistic option would be Deandre Jordan, he is long and tough plays hard and fast and will be affordable come this off season
2. Defensive Stopper- Everytime has a defensive stopper who locks up, the Knicks need one who can run in their system and shoot the 3 ball at at least a good rate. Mickael Pietrus is a good option and should be on the Knicks off season wish list.
3. D'Antoni Point Guard- D'Antoni needs a pg that pushes the ball, plays with a high motor, can pass, shoot and keep turnovers at a minimum. Chris Paul is who they want but is he worth not filling major holes to build a contender. Kemba Walker pushes the ball as he is fast as hell, plays with a tremendous motor, confidence and fire, he can pass, shoot(not great but it will get better over his first few years in the league), the knock is he is turnover prone but I feel that was mainly because his teammates werent use to his style of play at the beginning of the year but he has cut his turnovers in half over his last 13 games(1.7).D'Antoni can build him into his prototype PG as he fits the bill so well. Drafting Kemba would make Douglas expendable as I dont think he is the PG of the future and should be dealt while his value is somewhat high maybe for a future protected 1st and a second this year.
4. Knock Down Shooter- The Knicks really need to buy a 2nd rounder and draft Chandlor Parsons as he would be a good asset off the bench to knock down 3's. The best thing is he runs the floor which is rare in most 3pt shooters.
5. Back Up PF- when STAT hits the bench they put Shawne Williams at PF which isnt helping their main problem of post defense and rebounding. The Knicks need a young PF who can come in with energy and crash the boards. Thomas Robinson can be got if he comes out. he averages 8pts, 6.5rebs and .8blks in 15mpg if he got starters minutes(30mpg) he would get 16, 13 and 1.6. That doesnt mean he will be a huge impact player but he has the physical tools and motor to make an impact in some games next year as he would only play 8-10 minutes.
The Knicks would have 5 high energy guys coming in next year filling glaring needs and helping a team who lacks energy and giving a strong boost to a very weak bench.
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I thought you were a Knick hater like me but now I see a rational Knicks fan who isnt saying Big 3 instead you want good pieces to build depth ala LAL and Dallas. I like how you filled needs and not just putting names together as this team wouldnt lack much.
I too like Walker for the Knicks as he showed the Garden is where he wants to be after that performance. D'Antoni and Walsh were shown on screen during the tourney and look impressed at Walker. Douglas could be dealt for a pick a team like Miami would have interest but I doubt they make a move with the Heat maybe Portland trade 2 2nds for Douglas.
Good post +1 newbie
i think you overlook how good chauncey is, both for d'antoni's system as well as his skill of a defender...
other than that i agree completely with every thing else. i cant believe they gave up gallo (not to mention jordan hill).
one thing tho, people know how good deandre jordan is... he will get paid accordingly...
That team would be very good. They'd have 4 vets with Playoff experience, energy guys, a couple shooters, 5 solid defenders(Turiaf/Jordan/Pietrus/Walker/Fields), and some good youth in Walker/Parsons/Robinson/Jordan to add to Fields, they can develop these guys and maintain their bird rights and build from within. Dont forget about Jerome Jordan.
BUT Dolan wants Paul and most likeyly he'll do whatever to get him
I know Billups is good and thats why I'm against Paul taking away major cap room to fill needs. If you ask who many think will have a better career between Walker and Douglas most say Walker he just screams Real PG not Pure PG but a real PG he is a leader and can be to New York what Rondo is to Boston. He played against Team USA this summer and well at that. New York cant pass on him if he's available unless a cant miss guy falls to them. Walker>Douglas for New York he can handle the bright lights and will shcok everyone when he gets into the league.
Deandre Jordan is good and will get paid but there is talk of New York trying to sign Billups to a cap friendly extension, declining his option and locking him up for about 2-3 more years enough time for Kemba to learn and enough money for Jordan to be gotten at probably 8-9per for 4-5years. They also have the MLE for other pieces as it would be about 7mil thats enough for 2 key pieces
I definatly agree on Deandre Jordan, would be a good pick up if not too expensive.
Stoudemire and Jordan would still get beasted down low.
I honestly believe Clippers will keep Deandre Jordon and let go of Chris Kaman.
1. Deandre Jordan is not really that realistic. The Clippers love him and he is playing great alongside Blake and Eric Gordon. He will probably stay in LA as this team builds again through the draft and offseason to try and reach the playoffs for the first time in like FOREVER (I don't think I've ever seen the Clippers in the playoffs eversince I became a fan of basketball back in the late 90's when MJ was still playing for the Bulls) I think a more realistic option would be his teammate Chris Kaman. He has been hurt this year but when healthy he can real pest on the defensive end and he can score well. He's a smart player who does put up bad shots even though he has been playing for a loosing team his whole NBA career so far. He is Tyson Chander lite to me. And best of all the Clippers will be looking to shed off his payroll next year because they want to use Jordan as their full time starter. And he wouldn't be good as a backup. (Think of Biedrins playing backup with the Warriors to Udoh. SCARY and not good for a player like Kaman who I believe is bettter than both Turiaf and Biedrins)
2. This one looks good with Pietrus. The Suns should be looking to rebuild and him being an old player, the Suns will probably not only be looking to shed some payroll but also rebuild with younger players through the draft and free agency. Good piece for an up and coming team that should be able to contend against the elite. (Lakers, Heat, Celtics, Mavs, Thunder, Spurs)
3. Rather then using Chris Paul who in my opinion has lost a step (he's not as fast as he used to be because of his recent injury) what about Deron Williams? He should be leaving the Nets this offseason because I doubt that team will be able to rebuild and with the Nets moving to brooklyn soon he'll look over at New York which is only about 20 minutes and start dreaming of better sights then the lowly Nets who want to make the playoffs but never do. He might like being in Kidd's spotlight in New Jersey, but a player like him, I don't think the Nets will be able to persuade him to stay. He is faster and bigger than Paul is. He has that sick crossover and he is a great passer. He would be an excellent replacement for Billups who will soon retire. And besides I think Paul will join forces with Dwight in Orlando. (The Magic can't just survive with one star especially in this league. If the Magic want to keep Dwight happy they will bring in Paul somehow, someway)
4. I think the Knicks should more look to build their backcourt through free agency. They have a pretty young team as it is with Shawne Williams, STAT, Melo, possibly Dwill or CP3, Walker, Douglas. Another young player wouldn't hurt but we have seen the benefit of having veterans on the elite teams. The only elite teams that I've seen that has relied on young pieces is the Mavs, Spurs, and Thunder but both the Spurs and Mavs teams are old and will soon be on the decline if they don't get some young players fast. I think the Knicks would benefit from someone like Anthony Morrow or Reggie Williams who could both leave their current teams because both are struggling. Especially Morrow since he is right next door in New Jersey with Dwill. He might bolt with Dwill to come and play with New York since that team obviously has a brighter future than the Nets do.
5. And then the backup 4 should also be a veteran like maybe Kenyon Martin. The Nuggets also want to rebuild and so Martin will be gone much like Pietrus won't be with the Suns next year because they too want to rebuild.
Melo/ Shawne Williams
That lineup should be very good. Enough to contend with the elite just like they want to do and they have the youth to continue to be good plus the veterans (Kaman, Turiaf, Martin) with more on the way (I sure veterans looking for buyouts will want to come to the Knicks since they will be one of the elite teams that could win a championship in about 1 or 2 years and could win more as well)
Kemba Walker is a good player but I doubt he'll be available for the Knicks in the upcoming draft. I expect him to have a good tournament and thus increase his stock (as if it isn't already increased.) The Bobcats will be looking to take him in the lottery. All that success he had in his own conference tourney as well as the success he will have in the Tournament should have MJ's eyes light up and he will gladly draft him to play the point guard which I think will be a much better replacement than Augustin is for the departed Felton. It will be pretty tough to pry Walker from MJ's hands. (Remember in '08, the Bobcats were expected to select Brooke Lopez with their pick but MJ persuaded upper management to pick DJ Augustin instead. He will do the same to which ever team wants Kemba especially if his eyes light up like I expect them too because of Walker's success that he will have in the tourney.)
Dwill is better than Kemba. He's faster, more athletic, much bigger than him, stronger, and just a better player for the Knicks to go after and they won't have to keep Billups for any longer then is needfull thus shedding payroll and still being a very good team that will contend with the elite in the future.
Kemba is a lotto pick therefore i doubt the Knicks are able to get him.
I agree that it's a great post by Cardiac Kid, actually giving reasonable thought to who the Knicks could get and not just the one sided trades some Knicks fans post on here.
Jordan would be a good pick up but don't the Clippers have the right to match what he is offered and the Knicks and the Knicks cannot make another major FA move unless they get creative. Maybe they offer Billups a longer term deal after not taking up his option and paying him his buyout, the danger would be Billups moves on and the Knicks are minus a PG in the summer. I like the idea of extending Billups but then you effectively move the FA spotlight onto Dwight Howard in 2012.
Personally I feel that keeping Billups and using his experience and leadership and targeting Howard in 2012 might be a better idea than targeting CP3 or D-Will then. Getting the right deal for Billups would be important with a $4 million buyout, I'd feel he'd have to be offered 3 years at about $7 million a year to stay maybe year 3 could be a team option?
I don't like Kaman for the Knicks, he's more half court based and would be be able to keep up with the D'Antoni 10 second or less offence and his injury issues on the Knicks tight roster would again be a concern.
One name I'll throw in who the Knicks might consider is Grant Hill, I know he'll be 39 years old come next season but he still has a top basketball IQ and in recent years has been fairly durable. His experience and demeanour alongside Billups could be the ideal supporting cast for STAT and Melo.
Agree that C Paul seems to have lost a step (but part of that may be having lost some fire being on a bad team and if that is the case, he can get it bac). Worse is that the surgery that he had (removal of cartilidge) is not a good one for long term durability. So he is a little bit of a risk though he will still demand max money.
D. Williams is NOT available this off season. His contract goes through the end of next season. So he can't leave the Nets. Check back next season at the trade deadline when the Nets will be in the same situation as Denver. If D Williams isn't going to resign (long term or use his max money one year extension), then the Nets can only hope to get as much out of the Knicks as Denver did for C. Anthony. Not that Knicks have enough tradeable assets left to pay that kind of price again. Incidentally, how many games do the Nuggest have to win before we start talking about them being title contenders this year? Aren't they 6 and 2 since the trade and now in fifth place in the West?
This seems like every NYK fan ideas wrapped into one mega idea.
I dont really see the point in projecting like 5 acquisitions the Knicks could make when clearly theres no way all of them will happen. But i do agree with your premise, which is backlined by the fact the Knicks need ALOT before they are a contender.
I'm thinkin more along the lines of signing Samuel Dalembert(best bang for their buck IMO) and TJ Ford(Could actually be stellar in that system similar to Felton). Next you sign either Spencer Hawes(floor spacing and restricts Amare to pf) or Sean Williams(could match Amare's athleticism, defensive stopper, and has apparently become quite the pro being first in and last out). Assuming you sign Hawes the price will likely come higher so I would say sign Anthony Parker and draft Jordan Hamilton. Assuming you signed Sean Williams at much cheaper price I'd say to go after one of Aaron Afflalo or JR Smith(Buddies with Melo and Chauncey while potentially dominating in the D'Antoni offense). My Personal preference:
You could expect Chauncey to play around 29-31 minutes allowing Ford minutes to get out and run the show at a fast pace rather often. Dalembert gives yah around 24-28 minutes bring defense and an ability to run the floor. Hawes could bring the spacing needed to opening up the blocks for Melo and Amare. Afflalo is actually perfect and would slide right in to the void D'Antoni lost with Raja.
I'd stop focusing on the PG spot when the Knicks have a huge holes in the middle and elsewhere. No C. No backup C. No depth up front. No depth at SG.
A new PG isn't going to solve the Knicks defensive issues and elite-level PGs haven't won many championships the past 20 years anyway. Phil Jackson has 11 championship rings and who were the PGs on those teams?
In 6 games as a starting PG, Toney Douglas averaged 16.8 points 6.8 assists 3.5 rebounds 57% from the field 80% from the line 48% from 3-point range with a phenomenal A/T ratio of 3.72. He plays defense too.
When Douglas has started at PG, the Knicks offense has performed significantly better and more efficiently.
I posted this elsewhere, but here's a breakdown in Knicks team performance since the trade. Includes games through 3/15.
With Billups (6 games) :
50.0% FG 20 assists
41.9% FG 22 assists
38.8% FG 17 assists
37.2% FG 15 assists
36.6% FG 11 assists
44.9% FG 21 assists
41.5% FG, 17.6 assists per game
With Douglas (6 games):
54.5% FG 28 assists
54.5% FG 13 assists
46.8% FG 23 assists
56.1% FG 32 assists
53.4% FG 31 assists
42.5% FG 19 assists
51.3% FG, 24.3 assists per game
With Billups 41.5%
With Douglas 51.3%
With Billups 17.6 per game
With Douglas 24.3 per game
Huge difference in how the team offense has performed with Douglas vs. Billups running it.
No need to spend $15 million dollars per year on a PG.
Focus on getting that big man. One who can play some DEFENSE.
Chauncey is a vet.
Well I agree with damn near everything said. Chauncey is great, but he does not push the ball well. He is more of a half court PG and that's ok because his perimeter defense more than makes up for that. Not to mention that he can be the knockdown shooter that the Knicks want. Chauncey was looked at as a throw in in the deal, but he is definitely a key cog in this new system that the Knicks have.
The biggest glaring needs for the Knicks are size and rebounding. If they can get a quality big who doesn't even have to be a proficient scorer, just a guy who can get rebounds and be a force in the middle, they can really do some damage. Sure Jared Jefferies counts as a big body so to speak, but he can't throw a penny in the ocean, not even on garbage buckets. I think guys like Samuel Dalembert, DeAndre Jordan, and Earl Barron all fit the mold of a center that can help. All three run the floor well and can not only block shots but change them.
Dwill has a player option this offseason which I fully expect him not to pick up thus becoming a free agent this offseason. This is one BIG reason why the Jazz traded him. They did not expect him to be in Utah in the future. I expect him to leave the Nets too because they are even worse then the Jazz and also their future is very similar to the current team of the Clippers because they will be moving to Brooklyn which is only about 20 minutes away from Madison Square Garden. Thus making it very similar in my opinion to the Clippers and Lakers playing in the same building.
Cyclo is absolutely right. Toney Douglas continues to improve his passing and will prove to be a valuable guard off the bench. Since Billups probably won't be resigned after next year, another point guard is needed, but for them to truly contend, they are two big low post presences from contending. Turiaf cannot be the biggest player on your team. Jared Jeffries at center wont get it done. Dwight Howard would be a dream come true, but is too unrealistic. But when you see the Mavericks, see their roster, and realize that their two center are teh only thingsseperating them at this point, you realize how important that big man is. Just like Miami needs Bosh to play like hes 6'11 245, you need someone to do that work down low, and the Knicks have no one. As to how to acquire the big man, they are a rare and cherished commodity. So it'll take some hard trading, big spending, or savvy drafting.
Good stuff, the Knicks definatley need a Center who plays defense and blocks shots.
Turiaf is only good for 15-20 mins a night off the bench and he's hurt too much.
Jeffries is an intangible player who draw charges and can play some defense but he doesn't score much at all.
The Knicks have a pick between 16-18 probably thats not bad its close to a lottery pick. Guess them blowing some easy wins might actually help.