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New York Knicks.....

Are really, really bad hahaha. They ruined a good thing by selling their souls for Anthony. And whenever your team has Anthony Carter and Jared Jeffries on the roster (and in the rotation) you know you stink.

Have fun with that team NY. You even gave up future 1st rounders to end up with this roster....wow.


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I guess...ya know. Two top 15

I guess...ya know. Two top 15 players to build around, with a owner in deep pockets in a city even NBA players admit having dreams to play for is TERRIBLE.

Yup, Yup.

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The knicks team without melo

The knicks team without melo was more of a complete team with everyone having a role. The melo team doesn't really know whats going on, if you also noticed landry fields production dipped heavily as soon as melo and the co arrived.

This melo knicks team is more for the future and not really in contention right now, but with melo and amare it is more likely they can sign chris paul or another superstar to form their own big 3

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The knicks team without melo

The knicks team without melo was more of a complete team with everyone having a role. The melo team doesn't really know whats going on, if you also noticed landry fields production dipped heavily as soon as melo and the co arrived.

- But still a average team. Without Melo, we probably don't make the playoffs because Indiana, Philadelphia and maybe Milwaukee could have overtaken us. At best, we would have been the 8th seed

This melo knicks team is more for the future and not really in contention right now, but with melo and amare it is more likely they can sign chris paul or another superstar to form their own big 3

- I don't want a Big 3, and I don't think Knicks fans want it either. I think NY will look to build this offseason with role players and maybe a big center grab.

Also, Melo-Stoudemire only had 29 games together. Give them a offseason.

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Bring Isiah back

Ya.....two top 15 SELFISH scorers.....thats the key to success.......as usual the Knicks can only wait and hope another top player signs with them. No team structure.

And Dolan has an unnatural man-love fetish for Isiah Thomas.

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The hard work starts in the

The hard work starts in the off season as they look to build on this season but they need stablilty and soon otherwise Melo and STAT will never prosper to their full potential. The key decision is do they try and go for a 3rd superstar in 2012 or beforehand or build around their current franchise duo.

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Marc Gasol would be a perfect

Marc Gasol would be a perfect fit beside Amare, I hope we resign him

but thats all i see them missing, maybe a defensive minded SG who can hit corner threes?

well they let corey brewer go, ehhhh

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If you are getting swept you

If you are getting swept you are missing more than one thing.

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Count on the Knicks buying

Count on the Knicks buying late first rounders to help fill out the roster with youth and potential. Not sure if it will be this draft if they are looking to preserve cap space, but all those 1st rounders they gave up can be replaced. Teams sell picks for 3 mil cash every year.

Remember when Channing Frye was "untouchable" in his rookie season. Seems like dejavu with Landry Fields.

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Noone said NY is a move away,

Noone said NY is a move away, but a defensive presence next to Amar'e would help.

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if

billups was playing this series would not be a sweep. how denver doing with that amazing depth. solid players at every position. oh yeah there ganna get swept to. knicks made this move not just for this season, but for the future.

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Give the Knicks an offseason

Give the Knicks an offseason to replace what they lost. I think a lot of people forget that most of the people that were traded were free agent pick ups except Chandler and Gallo who play the same positions as Melo and Amare. Shawn Williams is looking to replace Chandler and with a whole training camp and familiar with players and system more, he should be the points and defense off the bench that was key to Chandler's role. Also there are dealing with more injuries than Boston who is only missing Shaq. The could have easily won two games on the road.

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Kind of off-topic, but the

Kind of off-topic, but the whole "orange-out" has been a big FAIL! Only about half the crowd is wearing orange.

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For The Future

The never ending conclusion of Dolan The Moron lovers is we made this move for the future. The future will never arrive in NY as long as Dolan is the owner and interferes in the team just like Jerry Jones in Dallas and Daniel Snyder with the Redskins.

And if it isn't the future, it's one excuse after another. Face it, they are terrible!

The pre-Carmelo Anthony team had very good balance, they were exciting and fun to watch. They were well organized, there was leadership, and they developed excellent Team Chemistry. The post-Carmelo Anthony is disorganized, dominated by two ball hogs, and completely lacking in Team Chemistry.

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RTBT.....29 games this team

RTBT.....29 games this team been together. Let's give it some time. You been arguing about it the whole time. They are a alright team, need more depth and a coach who cares about defense. Then NY will be back.

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BKKnicksFan a

BKKnicks is talking about the FUTURE. It's always the future. Last year it was LeBron and Dwayne Wade, now it's Anthony and next year. Guess what? There will be more excuses and the same old familiar comment next year when this team is still a failure. Once again it will be wait until next year when the Knicks get so and so. You guys are chumps who fell for Dolan the Moron and his poor strategic planning.

The problem BKNicks and others are missing is this, they aren't just playing poorly, they are horrendous. There are so many flaws on this team that it's almost laughable to think there's an easy fix for next year. All of you Carmelo Anthony lovers are finding out he may be a great talent on the offensive end of the court, but NY wasn't the right fit for him.

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Interesting series.....

I'd like to see the Knicks play the Mavericks in an 'all-gutless, no heart" series.

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Actually Grizz said Marc

Actually Grizz said Marc Gasol is what they are missing. not much different from saying they are a move away right?

They talked about the time thing at half time. 30 games is what it has takent he other teams. its obviously gonna take the knicks much longer since the other teams had at least 2 guys who could defended. Melo and Amare are average defenders at best so that's gonna hurt them no matter how much time they have unless they change that about their games.

And i agree this team has alot of flaws they need fix

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they should never have traded

they should never have traded away gallo, chandler, and felton. that team had serious chemistry...they are awful now

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I see what your sayin(Taylor Condrin)

But coming from a guy who loves Gallo, that team was barely a .500 team and were struggling bad before the trade. I just wish we could have at least kept Mozgov or Gallo.

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Wow

"I'd like to see the Knicks play the Mavericks in an 'all-gutless, no heart" series."

Since when do the Mavs lack heart?

And give the Knicks a break. Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire don't fit well together. I think they're talented enough to figure it out eventually. Give them time to mesh.

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Look, I agree with you. They

Look, I agree with you. They about to get swept. But you cannot tell me a healthy Amar'e and Billups don't take one or even two games in this series.

Now, this is a IMPORTANT offseason. I'm going to be critical on them. I want a new coach who can expand the roster AND a teach/install defense.

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Wasn't Amare healthy until

Wasn't Amare healthy until last game and they still hadn't won a game?..People may say " well it was close" but that's what separates which team is better because the better team knows how to win the game at the end. on Average most games in the playoffs are close but the better team finds out how to win those close games.

The Knicks have a good future as a steady playoff team but are a nice little ways from being a title contender. Unless something changes they will be the new Hawks with a ceiling to how far they will go every season

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How was Amare healthy when he

How was Amare healthy when he didn't play in the 2nd half of Game 2 even, what have you been watching.

He clearly wasn't healthy the rest of the series.

Also why is anyone calling Amare a selfish player he passes the ball up plenty, now Mello needs to learn the system and do the same.

Mello despite his flaws almost won Game 2 by himself.

The Knicks obviously gave up too much in the Mello trade, anything outside of Gallo, Chandler and maybe a future 1st was too much. Felton was a big loss as Billups was hurt almost as much as he played, he needs to be bought out of his contract. Douglas clearly is not the answer at PG even on defense he got lit up. When Anthony Carter was in the game he led the comeback with his offense and defense. If Walsh is coming back and allowed to run the team they'll be fine, unfortunately thats a big if.

I think ppl overrate the Knicks team before Mello they weren't great they would've won more games with Felton and a deeper bench but they weren't an elite team. The thng is they had more flexibility with future picks and tradeable assets but now most of them are gone. Also they have a hole at PG and Center and a weak bench too. Hopefully Fields just hit the rookie wall and will improve next year or else they are in big trouble.

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I think

I think even BKKnicksfan was critical of the trade at the time it was made. Some claimed that New York was suddenly a title contender; but most people understood that Melo and Amare wouldn't complement each other's strengths immediately. Still, it's undeniable that this team has serious potential.

I'm actually pretty sure the original poster is a troll anyway.

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the Knicks will be one of the

the Knicks will be one of the best teams in the NBA once they rebuild the team they gutted to get Carmelo. A full off season to build chemistry between Amare and Melo will have the Knicks playing like the team we saw take it to Miami on their own homecourt a few games after the trade. Give this team time and they will be scary good.

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Demarcus

Please check in with us around the half way point of the season and file a full report on the progress of the Knicks next year. Thank You.

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Amare isn't selfish at all,

Amare isn't selfish at all, pretty good passer. Not a good defender along with Melo. They are actually the worst two defenders out of two best players per team out of any playoff team and that is gonna continue to hurt them in there title quest no matter who they get around them. Its not like they can't play better defense because both have shown at times that they can be pretty good defenders if they try all the time or at least most of the time, but like most scores they probably feel it will take too much energy away from what they do on offense

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Who said they were getting

Who said they were getting Wade if anything he was going to sign with Chicago if any other team that was a just a weak rumor.

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Amare was only healthy in

Amare was only healthy in game one and for the first quarter of game two. Knicks would have won game one if Melo had not gone 1 for 11 in the second half. I'm pretty sure the way Amare was playing they could have just left Melo on the bench and gotten that win. We just needed to keep riding that horse. I'm not talking about just the last few minutes. Why does Melo even need to take 11 shots in a half when he is playing with a great scorer like Amare who is in the middle of a great game? If Melo had just deferred to Amare for the entire second half, it wouldn't have ever gotten close.

But after the first game, the Knicks were always hurt. Melo covered up for it by being a beast in game 2. But he can't play like that every night. Really the Knicks didn't stand a chance in the series with the depleted depth because of the trade and then the injuries.

I'd liked to have waited out this year with our old team and then done a sign and trade for Howard or C Paul, both of whom I think are better than Melo and I bet with better negotiating (i.e., no Dolan involvement) we could have gotten for cheaper. Howard and C Paul are leaving their cities, that is the deal. They aren't allowed to talk about it, it is in bad form and I think even against the NBA tampering rules. But they are going to brighter lights somewhere else.

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I love it

I love it when people make a whole new thread to trash the Knicks...Eff you hater! haha

Once we put some solid peices around Melo and Stat the Knick will become contenders. I knew the Knicks would lose to the Celts, even if Stat and CB had stayed healthy so im not surprise we got swept with them being hurt. I mean Douglas, Fields, Williams and Walker had never played in a playoff game before, so it was alot to ask of them to come out and beat a playoff proven Celtic team.

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The Knicks were 28-26 without

The Knicks were 28-26 without Melo, 14-14 with Melo

Like I said.....The Knicks weren't the 01 Lakers before adding Melo.

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Analyze The Record

You can't judge a team solely on their record. You have to analyze whether their getting better or deteriorating. The pre Carmelo trade Knicks were a very young team that was getting better every week. They had a high level of confidence, great team chemistry, and I always felt they could beat any team in the league. Every night they competed hard and were rarely blown out. Many of their losses were the kind of close games that young teams lose, but eventually learn how to win.

The Carmelo Anthony NY team was often disjointed, leaderless, and thoroughly disorganized. They absorbed blow outs far too often, something that rarely happened before the trade. And I think approximately 5 of their last 6 games were against the three worst teams in the league, which allowed them to pad their win-lost record.

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The Knicks have a chance to

The Knicks have a chance to pick up a big man like Mozgov in Jerome Jordan, they should be able to pick up a solid piece in the draft. They have a better small forward in Melo. Also if Azubuike is healthy maybe he resigns with Knicks.

Shawne Williams a key back up forward will be back and will have the whole season or whatever is left to get used to his teammates.

They can keep Jeffries for cheap as a 9th man.

Fields should be a better players because it would appear he hit the rookie wall hard and became garbarge.

a healthy Billups should pretty much hold his own in the Felton role and i think Knicks could get another 1st and take the point guard from Michagan or Norris Cole or anybody that fits in with the Knicks. Roger Mason is probably gone. Andy Rautins may be gone too. Derrick Brown may take off. Knicks could get some young players and solid vets and had a 15 man rotation with few weakness. Turiaf could be moved or kept to play 20 or so minutes because in small dose Turiaf is nice.

After getting 2 stars who in all honestly played better together than the Miami big 3 in a smaller amount of time, they will get more time to learn each other and also get the right pieces around them.

The early Knicks played with better chemistry because that team was build around Amare and working off of Amare. I think people forgot early on when Felton had no clue how to get Amare the ball.

The Knicks will be scary when the reload and have time to get chemistry. I do hope there is no lock out because the East will be wide open next year and if they can get some chemistry and improve on offense execution and defense to some degree, the will have a top 2 or 3 team in the East and possibly a top 5 team in the league.

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Also how do they have less

Also how do they have less flexibility, with the team they have most of their picks will be in the 20's. Teams tend to trade those picks for 2nd rounders. Knicks if they want could buy back at simiar pick to the one they gave up. I doubt a full season of Melo/Amare gets them less than 50 wins.

It is a lot harder to get Two top 15 players and build around them than it is to add young talent. If you have good scouts you can get young talent in every draft. There is always players that are good that fall in the second round. right now OJ Mayo can be had. Beasley could be had if Minny get Derrick Williams and feel like Beasley is the odd man out. Johnny Flynn can be had.These are all top picks in the draft.

I do think Mayo would be an upgrade over Fields but still Knicks could get then if they really wanted him. Henry was a top pick and what had he done granted he could be a late bloomer.

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Where's all the posters who

Where's all the posters who kept saying "they'll be fine in the playoffs?

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If the Knicks had held to

If the Knicks had held to their guns, they could have traded Gallo and Chandler for Melo and still had all their other guys. Melo was not resigning with Denver, so Denver was losing him for nothing. He was not resigning with Jersey to play next year in Newark and no one in th league was going to offer more than Gallo and Chandler to just have Melo for half a season before he signed up long term with the Knicks.

That is what &$#%#&@! off Knick fans about the trade. We could have had Melo and still left us with enough pieces to do a sign and trade for D. Will, C. Paul or D. Howard who will all be free agents at the end of 2011/2012 season and pick one of those guys up at the trade deadline for the playoff run next year.

But Dolan stuck his nose in there and Denver realized they had a sucker on the line and took him for all that they could. They even got Mozgov, who they didn't need and aren't even playing.

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Really, the first thing they

Really, the first thing they need to do is get rid of D'Antoni. How long are people going to believe in this guy's system? You have no legitimate shot at winning a title without any respect for the defensive end.

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