new holiday&jennings info from a number of scouts by aran smith..NUFF SAID
I mentioned that Deron Williams played what would be considered a "3" sometimes at Illinois, with Dee Brown playing the "1" and Luther Head being the "2", but I in no way thought he would ever have a hard time transitioning into an NBA PG. It was just the lineup that Bruce Webber ran out there sometimes. I mean, can you blame him? He just so happened to have 3 NBA caliber guards on the same team. I swear some people read every other word on this site and don't bother trying to actually figure out the point someone's trying to make. They just pick out a few words and run with it. But, if we are going to be sticklers with it, yes...sometimes in college Deron Williams was playing the "3". Luther Head would be the "shooting guard" and Dee Brown would be the "point guard" sometimes. I guess it only really works that way if you insist on a basketball team having a PG, SG, SF, PF, and C. But, I guess that the 1990's Bulls had Scottie Pippen as the SF and he was really the PG, so it's not that different.
Hey, in a similar yet unrelated topic...Was it Scott Skiles who coached the Suns where they had a 4-guard set? I can't remember exactly but I was remembering Antonio McDyess at the "Center", with Nash, Kidd, Chapman, and KJ? Or am I mixing up eras here with the Suns? Anyone remember?
Or, was it Penny and not KJ? I can't remember.
Ok josh, again i say that Jrue ran pg in highschool beside of another pg. Coming into college he had high expectations for some reason as a polished player. Didn't meet them, but again i say what freshman outside of Tyreke did. Now look at Delonte West and tell me why it is you don't see Jrue Holiday being able to become that good. In the pro's he's not gonna have those kind of expectations. He'll be able to come along as he needs to. I'm done arguing this point, he'll either make it or not. Your acting like everyone is sayinmg he's gonna be some kind of stud. He's not, he's gonna be a solid starter who will D up create a bit and score a bit. Think your boy Hinrich is any kind of threat offensively outside of jumpshooting which over the past 2 1/2 year has become fairly poor. So to say he can't become that is ridiculous. I really wish this kid would end up a Laker so you could see how good he could really become with a stud leader like Kobe beside him, and the pressure bein taken off. All i know is that A.D was a lotto pick and made a creer as a 3rd guard who would step in and be a solid starter any tim he was needed. I see the same type of career for Jrue. Same as West has had, and same as i see Stuckey. Difference being? Jrue truely wants to be a floor general and true pg. Let's all root for him to fall to the Mavsat least so he can learn behnd Kidd.
How does someone come into the pros and come along as they need to? How would the pressure be taken off with the defending NBA champ Lakers, next to the biggest competitor in the NBA? If he thought UCLA, with a "stud" leader like DC next to him, was tough how is he going to feel playing for the most successful franchise in NBA history trying to defend a title?
Also, I don't know if we are all on different pages or not but Rodney Stuckey had just ridiculous numbers as a freshman. Yes, he wasn't at UCLA, but he transitioned to the next level very well both times. Both times being from high school to college, where he averaged nearly 25 points a game. Then, in the NBA, he started in the preseason averaging almost 32 ppg, 9 assists and 5 rebounds before getting injured and showed flashes of what he could do throughout the year and improved his numbers in the playoffs.
Jrue's game did not get better during his transition from high school to college. He didn't show flashes, he didn't put up numbers that would make someone say, "Well, he obviously needs work on this and that but did you see that game against so and so? Hell, if he could give us half of that we would be happy!" He hasn't done that anywhere but high school. Yes, UCLA isn't some crappy little league. It's tough and the transition can't be easy. But, someone who is supposed to be one of the BEST basketball players in the entire world who are "first time eligible" in the 2009 NBA Draft, you would think he could show something.
Once again, I understand that you are saying he could be a GOOD to VERY GOOD player, but he's a lottery pick. You could go out and get a bigger guy to play defense in the second round. There are just too many point guards who have shown the ability to become something more than good. I mean, is someone using a lottery pick to get Janerro Pargo? A couple of year ago he averaged almost 10 ppg playing for the Hornets. I think that you could get him for nothing right now. Or, you could get his brother Jeremy. If you are going to take a chance, you should take a guy who showed something spectacular and hope that he could recreate it.
He'll probably go in the lottery though, and I will be one of the loudest voices to say "I knew it!" when he becomes an NBA journeyman and a few guys taken after him actually give the team who drafts them their money's worth.
i think you read one of my post wrongs ( or maybe i wrote it wrong ) but im pretty sure i said holiday could be liek delonte west thats the ceiling i gave him...and alot of people are saying hes gonna be a superstar thats how my post and dislikes started...and yes he did have the ball alot but he wasnt the pg he had the ball alot because he was there scorer..its a bigger difference then people realize between having the ball and being a pg..most stars have the ball alot in higschool but that doesnt mean they can transition to the pg position..ron artest had the ball alot but hes not a pg..same with tmac
May have read it wrong. I agree Delonte is his ceiling, though i think he casn become a better pg than delonte merely for the fact he is only 18 and already wantingtodevelop as point guard. He'll be a goo defender able to defend both pg/sf and in some cases sf. Similar to Delonte. He COULD become a stopper, BUT the ods say he just becomes a fire hose player. Like Delonte/Childress/Ariza/Shannon Brown/A.D. Not stopping anyone but playing d for an entire game making it hard on the man he'sdefending b/clike i said before he's not elitely long or quickor explosive. He's smooth.
In regards to the ron artest/tmac part, i agree about that, but again at such a young age he already ants to become a floor general, and i'll take my floor general being at te sg position and a little turnover prone as long as he's a leader. But overall yes if your point wa that'll he'll never be an all star true pg but to say he couldn't become an allstar at least once in his career is a big overstatement. Especially if he gesto b a sixth man scorer type for a contender. Jason Terry was alway fmor of a sg, though he was pt in te position as starting point guard and he slowly got comforable and become IMO a very soid starting pg or sixth man.
i think he would have a better chance if he went back to school and developed..hough i cant be mad at him because if you are a lock to go lotto or first round then you gotta do it
jennings and jrue have the most upside besides grifftin
jennings i agree..jrue..i think there are a couple players with more upside