Nets real close on getting melo.!
The New Jersey Nets are nearing an agreement on a three-team trade to acquire Denver Nuggets All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
“It’s real close,” one source with knowledge of the talks said.
The Nets are close to completing the component of the trade that exchange Troy Murphy(notes) for Detroit Pistons guard Richard Hamilton(notes), sources said. The teams are still negotiating whether Nets center Johan Petro(notes), who has two years and $6.75 million left on his contract after this season, will be included, but that isn’t expected to unravel the overall deal. The Pistons are too motivated to unload the remaining two years and $25 million on Hamilton’s contract for Murphy’s $12 million expiring deal.
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The Pistons would like to trade Richard Hamilton and the $25 million he has left on his contract after this season.
The proposed trade will send Anthony, Hamilton, Chauncey Billups(notes), Nuggets guard Anthony Carter(notes) and forward Shelden Williams(notes) to the Nets. The Nuggets will receive two first-round picks from the Nets, point guard Devin Harris(notes), rookie forward Derrick Favors(notes), guards Anthony Morrow(notes), Ben Uzoh(notes), Stephen Graham(notes) and Quinton Ross(notes). The Pistons will get Murphy and Petro.
One front-office executive said Anthony is “on board” with signing a three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets – provided New Jersey completes the Detroit part of the deal.
“He wants to play with Rip,” the source said.
The New York Knicks remain Anthony’s preferred destination, but Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri has told Knicks president Donnie Walsh that his team doesn’t have the assets Denver wants. When Walsh has asked Ujiri to provide him with a list of the Nuggets’ desires, whether it be draft picks or specific players from other teams, sources said Ujiri has been unresponsive.
Anthony’s agent, Leon Rose, has been the driving force behind bringing Hamilton into the talks, league sources said. Rose, also represents Hamilton, and sources said he pushed Nets GM Billy King to bring the Pistons into trade talks with New Jersey and the Nuggets. Anthony has wanted the Nets to upgrade their roster upon his arrival for him to sign an extension.
“Leon is driving this one,” one front-office executive told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.
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With Anthony’s agent so heavily involved in brokering particular players in the deal, the Nets are working under a belief that a proposed package to bring them Hamilton and Billups would be sufficient to sell Anthony on joining them over his the Knicks.
Rose and William Wesley of CAA have long wanted to get Anthony and another of their clients, New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul(notes), to the Nets as the franchise prepares for a move to Brooklyn, N.Y. For now, Rose is pushing hard to get a suitable package together for Denver to get his client off a team he longer wants to play for.
The availability of Hamilton has been known for months, and yet the Nets only now finally reached out about including him in the Anthony deal. This could suggest that Rose and Anthony are more enthusiastic about adding Hamilton than King and Nets coach Avery Johnson.
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The Record of Hackensack, N.J., first reported that New Jersey had engaged Detroit in the talks on Friday.
Most league executives were dubious Anthony would believe Billups and Hamilton, ages 34 and 32, respectively, would be tantalizing. Nevertheless, Denver has shown little interest in negotiating a trade with New York, and it believes Anthony doesn’t want to risk free agency this offseason when a new labor agreement could cost him tens of millions of dollars in guaranteed money.
As Yahoo! Sports first reported on Dec. 14, the Nets want the chance to use Russian billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov to personally sell Anthony on signing a contract extension.
I don't understand it... Would the Nets be any better than the Nuggets once they complete this deal? And I know Richard Hamilton isn't happy in Detroit, but he's in the twilight stages of his career. He's no longer Rip. He's just Richard now.
And what about the report that says Chauncey Billups would request a buyout immediately if traded to the Nets?
well they would have brook lopez, melo, billups and rip so that probably would make them better thn the nuggets now.
this is how it will look...
If I'm correct...the Nets would have Billups-Hamilton-Anthony-Humpries-Lopez- James-Williams-Farmar
That's a solid starting 5 and those 3 off the bench are interesting. I'm guessing a couple NBDL call ups or two for the inside? That is a playoff team
brook lopez would be a solid upgrade over nene
call me wierd but id much rather Nene in my team then Lopez, the only thing lopez has on him is youth.
but there is still the big question mark over whether Melo would sign an extention there, im still not convinced that he would.
Agreed. Right now, Nene is playing a better game then Lopez. Lopez has the more upside...Nene has more experience
Lopez is averaging 5.9 rebounds per game right now. NOT GOOD.
Yea... You beat me to it. That's pathetic for a seven footer who plays as many minutes as Lopez. I don't think he's that much of an upgrade over Nene. I really don't... I mean, other than being more skilled offensively and being younger.
And I don't think Farmar is a better backup than Lawson. Is Hamilton really that much better than Afflalo at this point?
I understand Melo wants a change, but I just don't think the Nets will be that much better than the Nuggets. It's too bad the Knicks don't have what it takes to put together a package to get him. Everybody knows that's where he really wants to be.
lopez has zero help taking pressure off him. Nene is an after thought when teams play denver. You can run your offense through lopez. You cant run an offense through nene.
who does he sign with next when rip and billups are ready to retire.
I disagree about Lopez being an upgrade over Nene. In the few Nets games I've watched this year Brook has struggled with the increased attention he has been receiving and frequently turns it over when double-teamed. Nene is a better defender, leading the L in FG% and just better overall in my opinion. Brook is overrated in my opinion and needs a lot of touches to get his points, which he won't get with Melo and Rip on the team. Nene would actually be a better fit in my opinion.
From the Nuggets perspective I can't see why they'd be too interested in Devin Harris, unless they plan on trading Ty Lawson for a replacement SF, because Al Harrington is best suited to coming off the bench and would be killed by most starting SFs defensively.
That said, I'd love for this deal to go down, because the Nuggets aren't competing out West and we might finally get to see Lebron vs Carmelo in a series, which isn't going to happen unless they are in the same conference.
They keep trying to rape the Knicks for picks and such. If I'm Donnie Walsh....I'm saying F-U to Denver. I'm outta here.
Hey, If your New Jersey....congrats!!!! You got Melo! Plus Billups ( WHO DOESN'T WANNA BE THERE) and 32 year old Rip who's dead weight unless he's on the right team and New Jersey isn't it.
omphalos, you hit the nail on the head with why brook is better then nene. He is getting double teams and increased attention. How good do you think nene would be as a go to player with no one to stretch defenses and him getting double teamed? How often does nene draw double teams? ANd for as bad a rebounder brook has been, nene is only gettin about 1.5 more per game in the same minutes.
Brook Lopez is a terrible rebounder for his size, he is still only 22 years old though, and has talent on the offensive end. Playing with Melo, Billups, and Rip would obviously help his game. This trade would make the Nets better, but I don't think it would put them in the elite of the East. I think the trade would put them ahead of the Knicks, but still trailing the Celtics, Heat, Magic, and Bulls. I think the Nets will be like the Nuggets have been in the West the last couple of years, a good team, but not good enough to win the conference.
Not even comparing Nene to Lopez, but I really don't think Lopez is all that great of a big man outside of scoring the ball, which is the only impressive thing because it's hard to find big men who can score. He should be more efficient offensively though with some pressure off him. He doesn't have the intangibles you'd want your big man to have. There is no excuse at all for his lack of rebounding.
I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing for the Nets. I wonder what would have happened if they just waited until the offseason. I mean they obviously have upgraded, but I wonder if they could have gained more by waiting.
Anyone think Brook Lopez is a little like an in shape Eddy Curry.
very good comparison IYF
I don't know... IF Nene played for a losing team like the Nets and got the same amount of touches as Lopez, I think he could put up Lopez's numbers... And be more efficient at doing it too.
And Lopez averages 5.9 rebounds compared to Nene's 7.6. Averaging 5.9 rebounds just isn't very respectable.
If I was Prokhorov I would try to spring a deal with Billups for CP3 since he wants a buyout.
The Hornets are not moving CP3 for Billups
Lopez is a hopeless rebounder.... his ppg will drop also with melo and rip arriving. rip is one of the best conditioned athletes in the league, he still has some good years left...
did i read they were getting sheldon williams in the deal also ? with sheldon williams and humphries at PF that will be good rebounding, they won't need them to score (not that they do anyway)
billups in'st happy as he is from and played college ball in colorado. he wanted to go into the nuggets front office when he retires. melo has the same agent as cp3, so if billups does go they maybe a possiblity of the nets also landing cp3 later on...
Wow. The Denver Nets.
I think this deal is not for this season for the Nets to compete, but to better their chances of signing/resigning Carmelo. They tried to lure LeBron this past off-season and was unsuccessful. To me, this trade is just for increase of leverage to sign Carmelo to a longterm deal, but there's also a high risk of Carmelo not resigning, and if that happens, the Nets are screwed by giving up Favors who I think is the perfect PF to pair with Lopez. So their basically risking their future in hopes to get Carmelo to sign a long term, not a good move for the Nets because Carmelo signing is not a sure thing.
I dont understand what would be so special about this? Chauncey and Hamilton are on the decline and don't even have much yrs left. Lopez is a good player but he is pretty soft and average just a little over 5 rebounds a game, thats terrible for a guy who is 7 foot 1. They arent better than Denver now with that team and Jersey gets maybe about 3-4 years max as a middle seed perennial 1st round exitee. what bench would they really have? looks like jersey is just desperate for a name to advertise on their way to brooklyn. what other young players on that roster besides lopez can u really depend on to keep getting better and blossom? this trade is good only for Denver who is getting a plethora of draft picks and 2 good young players. Though they would be losing their cornerstone in Anthony, at least they would be getting something back unlike Cleveland with the whole LeBron thing
I cannot see how this would help the Nets long term. Billups and Hamilton are riding the last leg of their careers and while both are still solid players and while this trade puts the Nets into the playoff hunt, in the grand scheme of things, they would be losing out on some young talent such as Favors and though Harris has been injury prone the past couple seasons who is to say he won't overcome those injuries and come back to All Star form. And Carmelo might not even resign in New Jersey, plus in my opinion I think Melo wants to be playing with New York anyway, they are a better team too.
According to Adrian Wojnarowski on twitter....
"One front office executive says Melo is "on board" with signing w/ NJ if Nets get Detroit part done. "He wants to play with Rip" source says"
I guess Melo thinks that Hamilton and Billups will click in NJ as they did in Detroit. I also think the way Hamilton moves around the court without the ball and all the attention Melo attracts when he has the ball in his hands and Billups running the point will do wonders for NJ.
I like this trade for the Nets. Yes, they give up Harris and Favors but they get Carmelo. Maybe Rip will be solid again with a new system, less pressure on his shoulders and a good point guard with whoom he already played very successfully. What really sux for them is that huge whole on the PF spot and the worst rebounding Center since Bargnani, Brook Lopez.
I like it for New Jersey...they should be able to make the playoffs but this doesn't put them on the level Melo would have had been if he went to NY
So if this trade goes down like this, they will have three guys who are all start calibre players at shooting guard in Afflalo, Smith, and Morrow. There also is a large hole at small forward. So what kind of minutes do you see those 3 shooting guards get and who would start at small forward for them?
I think this trade sucks for everyone involved.
I dont think Melo can fully salvage the terrible start New Jersey is off to, especially when you consider Rip is probably a downgrade from the rotation the Nuggets have at the 2, and Lopez is a downgrade from nene. The Nuggets are a good team, but they arent a great one, and I would think the Nets would be mediocre at BEST.
I just don't see how Carmelo would be thrilled about this. I mean the Nets would be pretty good, but I don't see them going all that far in the playoffs and they wouldn't exactly be built for the long haul.
^Exactly my point, this trade benefits the Nets for short term purposes but for long term purposes they are really losing out. Hamilton and Billups will only get older and I do not see how they will be a Championship caliber team anytime soon considering both their starting Guards are still solid but are both on the last limb of their careers.
5 years too late for the billups hamilton melo line up. 2003 draft couldve solved that
As a Nets fan I am less than thrilled with this deal. We're giving up a young point guard for someone who isn't even a sure bet for staying. We're getting older and trading our young assets. This trade makes us a decent team, but merely delays the amount of time we have to wait until we return to the doldrums of the league. If Chauncey signs, this deal is palpable, if he doesn't, then the Nets are screwed. All that cap space goes to waste when you move to a city in which you will forever be in the shadow of another team. No one wants to sign with the Brooklyn Nets.
Interesting trade but the Nets won't make noise in the East with that lineup.
They'd have an old backcourt, a weak bench and be lacking a legit PF.
For Denver and Detroit it seems to be a good trade.
i think Kris Humphries will do just fine for them at the PF, i know his numbers are on a bad team, but his rebounding is very good. Lopez is a terrible rebounder so that's where Humphries will do his job. But i don't understand why the Nets are even doing this.
Lopez is a young C, terrible rebounder but still has time to work on it.
Derrick Favors is perfect to slot alongside Lopez
Damian James could be their future starting SF
Anthony Morrow has had a few big games for them, but a better SG might be wanted
and former all-star Devin Harris, plagued by injuries but is only like 27 or 28 so he could get back on track.
The team they could have with their current players would most likely be more of a championship threat then this trade. Do they feel forced to grab some big names and trade because of the owner? why? This trade i think will just throw them into the lottery for even longer.
Sorry, but Humphries is not all fine at the PF.
The Nets wasted a bunch of money because they wanted to win on a shorter run. They could have waited with their sucky team and add a few good picks. Now they're even losing although they wasted money. Right now they are only 5 wins behind a playoff spot. If they add those guys they will make the playoffs.
I could really see that this would benefit other guys like RIP and Lopez. Both have less pressure on their shoulders. Maybe Lopez can put more energy into rebounding. And maybe they can add some other talent, Prokorov or what ever their owner is called seems to be willing to spend money.
DONT KNOCK LOPEZ JUST YET ..DONT FORGET HE WAS A 20-10 GUY LAST YEAR AND ON THE RISE .........HARRIS ON AND OFF THE COURT T-WILLIAMS UP AND DOWN FROM NBA TO D-LEAGUE AND WATEVER ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE LOCKER ROOM IN JERSEY = LOPEZ SAYING TO HIMSELF WE AINT GOING NO WHERE WHY PLAY HARD ? THIS TRADE CAN BRING SOME LIFE BACK INTO THE NETS LOCKERROOM .ALTHOUGH ITS NOT THE BEST CHANGE IS MOST DEFINITLY NEEDED ......BILLUPS,RIP,MELLO,HUMPRHIES,LOPEZ .....IS A SOLID LINEUP
Lopez only grabbed 8 rebounds per game last year on the worst team in the nba... not a 20-10 guy at all, he didn't even reach 20ppg
Looking at the play off picture, the Nets are only 5 games back, if we assume that the trade goes through and say it is after 40 games that they get the new line up on court and up and running. I'll say they are 11-29 then and to make the play offs they will probably need 32 to 35 wins at least to get the 7th or 8th seeding out East behind Boston,Miami, Orlando, Chicago, Atlanta and NY. So they probably need to go 24-18 or 25-17 over the rest of the season. The key will be to win games against the other teams in the mix eg the Bucks, 76ers.
I know that Billups is still an upgrade over Harris but if Billups doesn't want to go to NJ then why are both Billups and Harris involved unless Melo has said he really wants Billups alongside him. If Denver keep Melo they can make use of his $3 million buyout for next season and having Harris means they probably have to pay more salary over the remainder of his contract and also a natural handover to Ty Lawson would be harder to do. NJ do have a shorter term up grade with Billups to Harris but longer term would this be the best move.
With Detroit in the mix, I wondered if Billups may want to try and get back there or Dumars may have made a pitch for him as he was their on court general first time round and it would be a popular move to get him back. If Billups did demand a buyout then he may well accept a vastly reduced amount if he did not want to be with NJ and then as an FA he'd be a major attraction once he had cleared waivers if he'd take a short term minimum deal. Miami would love his defence and 3 point shooting and even the Lakers may see him as an upgrade over Fisher and Blake.
Like i told some over eager Knick fans when all these "sources" said he will only sign with the Knicks and won't sign with the Nets, imma wait untill the deal is actually done.
The Knicks have been fairly quiet on the Melo front recently with Donnie Walsh not seemingly to be actively trying to do deals to get the Knicks in a position to facilitate a better deal for Melo. Whether they are waiting to see if Melo is going to sign the all important extension or not I don't know.
With Cleveland in freefall and Varejao out for the season, I wonder if Cleveland could look to come into the NJ-Denver deal instead of Detroit and maybe send Murphy and Petro there and Jamieson goes to NJ or even K-Mart goes to Cleveland and Murphy to Denver so Denver pay less luxury tax. The Nets maybe send the pick from LA Lakers they got recently to Cleveland or Denver gives them some sweetner. If Cleveland looked to make use of the huge LeBron exception they could suddenly come away with a fair few draft options.
From what i read the Knicks have been working hard to still get Melo but they havn't been able to get what Denver wants
The Nets just have to trade their souls in exchange for Carmelo Anthony.
I heard that Billups would seek a buyout if dealt to the Nets. But I guess the Nets don't take that seriously.
Prokhorov will gladly wipe his a** with Billups buyout $
lol..naw they didnt trade that much for Melo. Billups can replace Harris and they will still have money. Hamilton is older but still has some good years left especially since he's the type of player that runs off of screens.
Nets won't even win the division with that team.
Walsh is smart he's not giving up the who team for Mello.
These Nets rumors are getting crazy, make the deal already its been rumored so many times.
Rip is gettin older his game has dropped off a lot the last 2 years and by the time the Nets would be contender he'd be 34.
Denver are now threatening to trade Melo to NY unless the Nets keep trade discussions quiet. Melo still apparently wants to go to NY according to Hoopshype rumours so can anyone see Melo just refusing to sign this extension and thus opening the way for him to go to NY as a free agent this summer. People talk about the lockout, new CBA but Melo will get the maximum available deal if he does become a free agent and with his endorsements coupled with NBA career earnings that will be well over $70 million up to the end of this season, he can hardly claim poverty.
With Denver putting NY almost back in the mix then a canny guy like Donnie Walsh could look to drive a hard deal or even try to spoil the current deal on the table perhaps by trying to do something with Eddy Curry's expiring deal with Detroit.