Nets are making the playoffs
In 1985-86 Michael Jordan broke his foot and missed 64 games. They had won 38 games the year before, Jordan's rookie season, and went on to win 40 the following year. In 1986-87 Jordan averaged 37 ppg. They won 10 more games because Jordan went from missing the majority of a season to averaging 37 ppg.
Before the 2001-2002 Michael Jordan came out of retirement to play for the Wizards. Therefore, in conclusion Doug Collins can thank Michael Jordan for those "immediate upgrades"
Kerry, do you have something against Doug Collins?
1. Michael Jordan was a shell of himself after he came out of retirement with the Wizards.
2. Micheal Jordan never played for the Pistons. Collins bumped their record up 18 games his first season, and his 2nd year in Detroit, they were 54-28.
More importantly, almost every knowledgeable basketball person will praise Doug Collins coaching skills.
Anyway, we'll see what happens this year. Barring unforeseen injuries, Philly will outplay both the Nets and Knicks.
If there is one thing that Doug Collins knows...its X's and O's. Doug Collins is one of the most underrated coaches in NBA history and he is the one who built that Chicago Bulls team from the ground up. Like mentioned earlier he was the one who built a dismal Detroit team and brought them from the cellar to making annual playoff appearances.
noone said collins is not a great coach, he is a very good coach and one of the likable guys in the league....BUT.... he can't turn &$#%#&@! into gold. The Sixers have the talent of a 30 win team.
Before the All-Star break of the 2001-2002 Jordan was averaging 25 points, 5 assists, and 5 rebounds and led the Wizards to a 26–21 record. Jordan hurt his knee after the All Star break and the Wizards went 11-24 during that period. It is rather obvious that addition of Michael Jordan was responsible for more wins than Doug Collins.
Every place Doug Collins has went, the team in the 1st season improved it's win total by at least 10 games.
yee but two of those times included the addition or the health of one of the greatest players of all time.
And the time he didn't have him the wins increased even more when he was in Detroit and not Chicago...so what's the correlation here?
noone said he isnt a good coach...but to say he will most likely lead a bad sixers team to a playoff spot (about 13-14 win increase) is kind of dumb....
bkballer, i have the sixers making the playoffs and finishing ahead of both ny teams. Regardless of their contracts, both iggy and brand are very solid players and i expect they will bounce back a little from dissapointing seasons. Jrue holiday is gonna take a major step forward at point. Speights, thad young, lou will, hawes are all young and getting better. I especially like how hawes can fit there becasue he is a big who can stretch defenses and allow more room for the sixers bigs to work down low. And that is all before you factor in evan turner and whatever he can bring to the table.
also the addition of one of the best young players in grant hill didn't hurt...
also the addition of one of the best young players in grant hill didn't hurt...
nevermind i got the years mixed up
How is that dumb when the averages show that its possible...
He led Chicago to two 10 win increases
He led Detroit to a 26 win increase over a period of two years
He led Washington to an 18 win increase in one season
20+26+18= 64/5 season=12.8 game increase on average when he coaches a team...which rounded up is 13 games.
Math is on my side as well as you can see.
it doesnt really work that way tho...
that sixers roster cannot win 40+ games... you have to be a HUGE homer to think so
who do wanna compare that sixers roster to that you think will make the playoffs?
He has the talent available in my opinion to make a playoff push. The 1st 6 seeds in the east are locked down....Miami, Boston, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta and Orlando are basically guaranteed to make the playoffs, barring any injuries of course. Meaning that the next 2 seeds are open season. Charlotte, New York, and Philly are my top 3 candidates to take one of the two. New Jersey has a good shot now that they got some rebounding help for Lopez and Indiana has an inkling of a change. And I personally think that Philly is better than both of those teams.
How am I a homer...I'm from New York. Maybe if I was Scarecrow but not me, I'm a die hard Knicks fan and I don't even get credit for arguing for another team, in my own division no less lol.
your point guard is a late teens draft pick from last year (hes solid, nothing crazy)
your starting 2 guard is a rookie who has so far shown he needs the ball in his hands and plays exactly like your starting sf. He has a good shot of being a very good player, but definitely not right away. his back up is willie green
Power Forward is pretty much done Elton Brand, even if the guy can ever play close to the way he used to, he doesn't fit the system or the way any of the guys on the roster play.
don't see much on that roster...sorry.
lets compare sixers and knicks:
holiday vs felton. Ill say draw for next year although i think holiday will easily be better long term.
turner vs chandler
i would give a slight edge to chandler, but i dont really like him as a sg. Hes better suited for sf and i wouldnt be surprised if azuibuike starts here. So ill agin go draw.
iggy vs gallo
iggy gets the edge
randloph vs brand
brand gets the edge
speights vs amare
amare gets a huge advantage here.
lou will, willie green, jason kapono, thad young, spencer hawes
toney douglas, azubuike, ronny turiaf, bill walker,
again, very darn close. So why is it that looking at these two rosters the knicks are a playoff team but someone has to be a huge sixers homer to think they can even win 40 games?
Kerry Kittles, I lived in the DC area when Jordan made his comeback, he wasn't the same player. You can post all of the stats you want, he wasn't the elite talent that brought Chicago to the top of the basketball world.
By the way, name one coach who wins without talented players. Part of being a great coach is ensuring your team properly utilizes the available talent. There were many talented teams in the history of the NBA that were failures because of poor coaching and/or team chemistry.
Next, why do you ignore what Collins did in Detroit where Jordan never played? You just seem to either have a thing against Doug Collins or you can't admit you were wrong.
I guess you're also going to tell us that Michael Jordan made Doug Collins the best analyst in the business. Anyone who listens to Doug Collins and then has to put up with the garbage of Jeff Van Gundy, will quickly realize who is both a superior analyst and coach.
Finally, my boy llperez clearly pointed out why Philly will do better than both NY teams. Throw Doug Collins into the mix, and barring injuries, Philadelphia should have a very good year. My prediction is 45 wins.
For both NY teams, I'm projecting 30 to 35 wins for each team. If I was forced to predict, I would guess the Knicks will do slightly better than the Nets.
He wasn't the same player, but only one other player in the league was averaging 25, 5 and 5 at the all star break that year so he was still be better than the large majority of players in the league. Jordan a shell of his former self is still better than 95% of players in the league. You're dismiss the fact that Jordan came back from an injury in Doug Collins 1st year in Chicago and you're willing to dismiss the facts the stats that show that Jordan was instrumental in the turnaround in Washington. So you're dismissing the main reason turnarounds were made in those two seasons and you asking me why I'm ignoring only one season.
Avery Johnson led the Mavericks to their only NBA finals appearance in franchise history, led them to a 67 win season, won coach of the year and has the highest percentage of any coach in nba history. The Nets also have Sam Mitchell on their staff who has won coach of the year. So if you think Doug Collins can make such an impact in Philadelphia don't you think Avery Johnson can have some sort of impact in New Jersey.
this is in no way to diss jordan, but he was not really an all-star with the wizards. that team was pretty terrible and he set the franchise back a few years becasue instead of rebuilding, he came in and tried to be the man and stunted the growth of all the young guys. His skill were severly diminshed at that point in his career. He was still solid, but he was getting by on old man skills and tricks.
Ok I don't know how you can argue when only two players were averaging 25, 5 and 5 at the all star break of the 2001-2002 season and one of them was Michael Jordan. The Wizards were 26-21 before he got injured and 11-24 after he got hurt. A player who is averaging 25, 5 and 5 is definitely an all star. Jordan's play went down hill after that because he got hurt and that's the reason their record went down hill. Tell me who was responsible for them being 26-21 at the All Star break Doug Collins or Michael Jordan?
Kerry Kittles, I'm not dismissing the impact of Michael Jordan. You seem to have a thing for Jordan and one against Doug Collins. Anyone with an IQ over 50 realizes the impact Michael Jordan had in Chicago. But think back, he was a very young player when Doug Collins took over the team. And then he was a very old, over the hill player when he was with the Wizards. Once again Llperez told you exactly what I was trying to say earlier about Jordan's play with the Wizards, only he did a better job than me.
And as I've mentioned several times, you keep ignoring the accomplishments of Doug Collins in Detroit where Jordan never played. Why do you ignore that? Do you hate the man for some reason? Or are you incapable of admitting you were wrong about Doug Collins?
I have nothing against Avery Johnson. In fact, he's the reason I think the Nets will win 30 to 35 games. But in the end, Philly has more balance, more depth, and Doug Collins is a better coach, at least for now. Maybe some day we'll talk about Avery Johnson being a great coach but not yet. He certainly has a golden opportunity with the Nets to prove he can do it with more than one team.
They have some talent, and i am not gonna say that Collins isn't a good coach, but Philly really lacks great perimeter shooters. Their might just not be enough ballhandling available for Holiday, Turner, and Iguodala. I think Turner might struggle playing off the ball in his rookie year. I know he played sg at different times during his college career, but he is most effective with the ball in his hands. I don't think Philly will make the playoffs, as they will struggle in the half-court.
Raymond felton is more ready to run a team and will have a break out year. Sure id rather have holiday if I'm rebuilding, for next year give me felton.
Danilo and randolph are better than any young talent they have not named turner....except turner will take some time we clearly saw he is not ready. With a true star to draw double teams and a solid PG I expect gallo to break out...last year was basically his rookie year and a guy that playshe needs a solid pg...duhon was not even top 50 in the nba at his position last year.
All of their playeys pretty much bring the exact same thing to the table...having iggy, turner, young out on the floor at the same time is extremely redundant.
Amare is a top 15 player in the NBA....Sixers donnt have anyone close to that sort of player. A real star is needed to be successful in this league... yee yeee pistons did it blah blah...its rare a team succeeds without a star.
Even when brand was healthy he didn't fit with the athletic style that young, iggy etc like to run and really does not fit that team.
Who can make a shot on that team??? Its all slashers. Ask the nets what its like to have a team where u don't have players who can shoot outside of 20+ feet.
Fact is I'm right that the team doesn't fit or doesn't have enough talent simply due to the fact that they have THE SAME EXACT ROSTER THAT WON 27 games...just added a rookie who I actually like but I don't see him leading them to a huge improvement this year.
Doug Collins did a good job in Detroit. I'm just not buying into this hoopla that he can turn around programs by himself because he had help in Washington and Chicago.
I don't think the 76ers make the playoffs. Elton Brand is a shell of his former. Injuries have really limited what he is able to do . They have a weak frontcourt at the moment. B-ball fan mentioned the point that they don't really have perimeter shooters and I said earlier how Evan Turner struggled in the summer league playing off the ball. His style is very similar to Igoudala's so I don't know if they'll be able to coexist. I think the Nets are more balanced, they have both shooters and slashers. They have a good frontcourt with Favors, Murphy and Lopez and a good backcourt with Harris, Farmar, T-Will and Morrow. Their whole free agency was spent adding depth to the team so I think thats one thing that they have.
Why I think Philly will be the best of these 3 teams
I think Favors will struggle his rookie year, Murphy is a major liability on defense, and I think Devon Harris is incredibly inconsistent. Some games he looks like a star and then he looks lost.
Most important of all, they were a shell shocked team last season. If they get off to a bad start, they may give up on the season very early.
Raymond Felton is an upgrade over Duhon, but that isn't saying much.
Gallinari needs a PG who knows how to set him up and teammates who set screens for him. Neither one of those elements were there last season. Will it happen this year?
Stoudamire is a great player but he has to prove to me he can do it without Steve Nash.
Wilson Chandler doesn't impress me. In fact, there's nobody else on the team who impresses me.
As for Randolph, I haven't seen him play in the NBA but GS seemed very eager to get rid of him.
Jrue Holiday is a major upgrade at PG
Louis Williams can score
Nocioni is still an excellent 6th or 7th man
Spreights is a budding star
Will Brand be healthy?
Spencer Hawes is a solid back up center
The only reason why I question Philly is
EVERY season, they start out slow. For the past 4 seasons, they started slow. I think Holiday will be solid, Iggy will be Iggy and they actually have pieces to move if they wanted another piece but I don't see it.
Turner will be good not great from what I seen, making the transition from on the ball to off the ball will be tough. None of thier post players are really ready to make the next step either.
Also, from what I saw last season- they were a average defensive team.
This year Philly has a new coach, a new philosophy, and a much more balanced team so I don't think a slow start will necessarily happen. I'm not predicting great things for Philly, but I'm confident they'll do a better job than either the Knicks or the Nets. I realize that isn't saying much but there are reasons to be positive.
As I mentioned above, I think Spreights could be a star and if Evan Turner plays as well as some people expect, they might even do better than I predict. If Elton Brand is healthy, they could have a very nice year because they have solid depth at every position.
And one more point, I believe the lack of a super star is one reason they'll do very well. Basketball is a team game and that's what Doug Collins coached teams excel at.
If you say speights is a future star but downplay randolph and gallo.... we don't have much to talk about.... to call nocioni a great yth man is absurd as well....
If Speights had started he would've put up very good numbers. Randolph won't put it all together anytime soon. Gallo has proved me wrong though, he has been a very nice player so far and will get better.
bkballer said, "but downplay randolph and gallo.... we don't have much to talk about.... to call nocioni a great yth man is absurd as well....
I said Gallinari needs an excellent PG to set him up and teammates who actually set screens for him. I wasn't downplaying Gallinari, I was downplaying his teammates. I personally think he is a future start in the NBA.
I didn't sleight Randolph, I said I never saw him play but wondered why GS was so eager to get rid of him.
Finally, I said Nocioni is still an "excellent' 6th man, I didn't use the word "great". There's a huge difference between those two words.
bkballer, what are you, a college freshman or something like that? I've been around basketball all of my life, probably far longer than you've been on the planet. Anyway, go back to school and learn how to read, or if you're still in school, take some reading classes.
Your right there is a huge difference between those two words....excellent is a better word. I like Nocioni and all, but he's done in the NBA. The game is too fast for him.
GS was eager to get rid of him mainly because he had a falling out with Don Nelson, I don't know when GS is going to realize that Nelson is the problem instead of the players.
My take on this 76ers is this...they have the talent to make a good push this year, but they need to bolster that bench a little bit more. But then again Collins over the years has gotten the most out of veteran players, so maybe Nocioni can have a good year as a 6th man.
I'm actually a second year law student but whatever thats clearly not the point.
Both teams sucked last year...
The Sixers have basically the same roster they had last year, the Knicks have improved vastly. Gallo put up 15 and 5 with Duhon as essentially a rookie, so you can expect an improvement with Felton and with Amare commanding double teams. Randolph put up 12 and 6 and 1.6 blocks in 23 minutes in an injury filled season...he will be special. I'm not sure how a guy that averaged 9 and 4 can be considered a future star and Randolph can't. As a matter of fact I bet if you ask anyone with basketball knowledge if they had a choice who they will take 9 out of 10 will say randolph. Randolph has all the tools to be better, including crazy athleticism.
As for you being clever with the wordplay of excellent and great.... let me leave you with the fact that Nocioni is not even a DECENT 8th man. Matter of fact I wouldn't want this guy on my roster, where u got the idea that he is worth a roster spot i dont know. I would rather have Chandler as my 6th man (Bukee will probably start), Randolph as my 7th, Douglas as my 8th and Walker as my 9th, Mason as my 10th before I let Nocioni touch the basketball.
Narc said, "GS was eager to get rid of him mainly because he had a falling out with Don Nelson".
Hmmmmmmm, that's interesting Narc because it tells me GS is in a far worse place than I ever imagined. But then again, I should have figured that out on my own. Any team management that believes Don Nelson should be an NBA coach deserves to be fired.
Narc, one stat I always check with the big guys is rebounding, something many observers overlook. If I'm reading the chart correctly, Randolph averaged 6.5 rpg while playing only 22 mpg. Those are pretty good numbers and 11.6 ppg in 22 minutes isn't too shabby.
It sounds good on paper but I want to see for myself how he does with the Knicks. I've been around long enough to know you can't judge a player solely on statistics.
As for Nocioni, Doug Collins is the perfect coach for a player like him. I expect him to give Philly 18-22 mpg of solid play off the bench. I also expect Hawes to do well coming off the bench. I think both Spreights and Jrue Holiday will have excellent years under Collins.
As I said before, Philly won't be great, but they will do far better than both NY squads.
your 6th man is Nocioni you are winning 30 games...please find me a professional sports writer than puts the Sixers ahead of the Knicks?!!? I bet you can't...ESPN has you guys winning 31 games.
I'm not saying that (as both a homer and a fan with common sense), but the East is always fluctuating with the lower seeded teams.
I hope you read legal briefs more carefully than you do posts on this website. The difference between excellent and great isn't a clever play on words. Nocioni was a guy who did a terrific job coming off the bench for Chicago, but for whatever reason, was lost last season with the Kings. I'm not saying he's a great player but he is very good coming off the bench. In that role he was excellent, but not great.
Obviously you're entitled to your own opinion so I don't knock that. However, in the right situation I think Nocioini is as good or better than the guys you mentioned. But maybe you're right, his best years might be behind him. However, I suspect he just didn't fit in with Sacramento.
Once again, please stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Randolph can't or won't be a future star. I merely wondered why GS was so eager to dump him. I checked his stats and you're right, he did have good numbers.
As for Spreights, I watched a lot of Philly games last year where you can see things that aren't measured by stats alone. Spreights was very inconsistent on a very disorganized team. However, he had some games where future star was written all over him. I have to believe with Doug Collins running the show, the team will be smarter, more consistent, and provide Spreights with the opportunity to reach his potential.
Unless you missed it, I'm pretty sure I said Gallinari is a future star but needs help. He isn't the kind of guy who can do it on his own. If his teammates set weak side screens, and if Felton can pass the ball better than Duhon, Gallinari will be a star. But right now I have no reason to believe D'Antoni will change anything next season, so Gallinari will still be on his own.
And while I'm at it, I always thought D'Antoni was a good coach until I watched the Knicks play almost every game last year. He isn't a bad coach but he's a far cry from what I thought. One of his biggest flaws is his love affair with an 8 man rotation. He also seems oblivious to what's happening on the court. For months Duhon was simply atrocious as the PG but D'Antoni continued to play him regularly as part of that 8 man rotation.
And when I saw the difference in the Knicks when Sergio Rodriguez played the point, I couldn't believe the guy didn't get more playing time. Clyde Frazier, who is an excellent analyst, made the same comment. But obviously D'Antoni wasn't listening.
And finally bkballer, if you put as much faith in professional sports writers predictions, as you will have to do with our legal system, you will be in big time trouble.
Randolph was not really a dump he was the centerpiece in a trade for David Lee, Nelson had problems with Randolph (as he does with many players) so they got a blue collar all star caliber player for him.
About Gallo thats exactly what I was saying, Felton is not a great PG by any means, but he is very solid and actually deserves to be a starter in this league, unlike Duhon. Plus Knicks havent had a player that draws double teams in years and Amare will open up the court for Gallo as well. So i expect Gallo to have an easier time next year.
You really can't blame D'Antoni for last year, that whole roster was a pathetic mess and there is really no coach that can make that bunch of losers look good.
Sergio looked very lost and nervous out there and was definitely not a player worth keeping.
As for the writers part, I don't take too literally but the rankings these websites put up are unbiased (somewhat) so they seem to be more reliable than some poster talking about his favorite team.
and Noicioni... really?!!?!
I wouldn't call him the 6th man on your team either, give me lou, young and hawes before him.
bkballer, I don't have a problem with your opinions. After all, that's why we have sites like this. But in the future, please read more carefully and don't put your words into the mouths of others. I don't have a problem if you or anyone else disagrees with me, but don't criticize me for something I never said.
I didn't blame D'Antoni for the Knicks horrible showing last season but I also don't absolve him of the blame. Does that sound like a lawyer talking? I'm LOL!
I learned he isn't as good a coach as I originally thought. I guess Steve Nash can make any coach look great. He had guys sitting on the bench all season who deserved an opportunity to play. But he insisted upon playing Duhon who was atrocious. He also saw something in Jared Jeffries that I completely missed.
I disagree with you about Rodriguez. Let's face it, Sergio isn't going to be a star, but when he got a chance to play he constantly drove to basket, breaking down the defense, and throwing passes out to wide open teammates. Unfortunately, other than Gallinari, most of them missed those wide open shots. But the Knicks were a different team when he was in the lineup, but for whatever reason, D'Antoni preferred Duhon.
I'm telling you young Mr. BkBaller, unless there's a surprise trade, the Knicks will not be significantly better next year.
I fail to see where I was putting words in your mouth. However, I have to disagree about Sergio, he played very out of control and he tried to hard on his passes leading to turnovers. He also could not shoot whatsoever, if it was my choice though I would have given Toney Douglas they opportunity to run the team longer. Yes Mike was very stubborn last year, but considering what he had to work with I cannot really be upset with him. I cannot defend him at this point, but I truly believe this is the first year where he can really be judged. This team has plenty of talent and athleticism that is necessary for a Mike D'Antoni system.
I also have to disagree with you on the Knicks not improving. Since you claim to have watched many games and know Mike's coaching style you will agree with me that Duhon was extremely detrimental to the Knicks success. When the point guard is so essential in the offense, averaging 4 points and 5 assists per game on 30% shooting for a span of over a month is just pathetic. A real point guard alone will make a world of difference for them. As much as I liked David Lee, he was extremely undersized for his position and was probably the worst defensive big man in the NBA. Also many of his rebounding stats were padded due to the fact that the next available big man was a 6-9 lazy chuck names Al Harrington. Amare, not a great defender by any means, but is a huge upgrade at just about everything. The bench is also solidified, no longer do we have to depend on Nate Robinson being the 6th man, or Larry Hughes starting at the 2. Jared Jeffries being gone is a plus on its own as well. The team went from Chandler being their third best player, to him possibly being a bench player next season. Additions of Azibukee, Mason, Randolph and the hard working hustle player Turiaf cannot be overlooked. All these guys create depth that the Knicks have not had the luxury of working with this decade.
Lastly, the improvement of guys like Gallo will be crucial as well. He seemed to hit the rookie wall around February last year and the Knicks really struggled when he did. If Gallo can take that next step this upcoming season, the Knicks can be a very dangerous team.
I obviously do not know how much better they will be, but I can say with confidence that they are a MUCH improved team from last year. Unfortunately I do not think I can say the same for the Sixers. Adding Nocioni and Hawes for Dalembert may add some depth, but it is far from enough to propel them into the playoffs.
BkBaller, I have very little faith in you as a future attorney. There is no point in repeating the comments that you made earlier in the thread. You made up things and attributed them to me. If you don't see or recall that, what can I say?
As for Sergio Rodriguez, the point of that little story was the fact that D'Antoni played Duhon and Jeffries almost all season, despite an atrocious performance by both of them, while he never gave his bench guys a real opportunity to prove they could do a better job.
If you're saying the Knicks will be better by subtraction, as in no more Duhon and Jared Jeffries, we finally found something we can agree on. But I don't think as highly of their replacements as you do. Yes the Knicks will improve but not significantly.
As for Philly, you clearly didn't understand what I was saying. Nocioni and Hawes are NOT the keys to Philly's future success. Once again, I never said that. They are two guys who give them a solid bench. Now that's important but it isn't the path to a successful season.
The keys to Philly's success are:
The PG play of Jrue Holiday
The health of Elton Brand
The Development of Spreights
The adjustment of Evan Turner to the NBA
and finally, how does Louis Williams fit into the new offense
are you serious?!?! what the &$#%#&@! have I said that I made up? You just nitpick and think you are smart, meanwhile you sound like a &$#%#&@! idiot.
And who the &$#%#&@! are you to keep putting me down and telling me I'm not going to be a good lawyer? What the &$#%#&@! do you do for a living? I'm in a T-14 law school and I'm going to be 24, making more money than than you can ever hope for. Probably some dumb ass redneck in PA trying to act smart and show me up online. This is a NBA forum I didn't come here to try and outsmart anyone.
You really are a college kid because you think calling me "some dumb ass redneck in PA" is a put down that will somehow make me feel bad. If that makes you feel good, go for it because I'm LOL!
How do you know how much money I make or made? But you know what, it really doesn't matter. It's obvious you judge people on their income and that tells me a whole lot about who you are and who you aren't. People with your value system lack character, just like many of the CEOs in America.
Anyway, let me remind you what you said earlier and my reply. Bkballer, you criticized me using both words and conclusions that came from you, not me.
bkballer said, " downplay randolph and gallo.... to call nocioni a great yth man is absurd as well....
I never downplayed Gallinari, those were your words. I said he needs an excellent PG to set him up and teammates who actually set weak side screens for him. I downplayed his teammates. I personally think he is a future star in the NBA.
I didn't sleight Randolph, I said I never saw him play but wondered why GS was so eager to get rid of him. Once again, the negative comments came from you.
Finally, I said Nocioni is still an "excellent' 6th or 7th man, I didn't use the word "great". There's a huge difference between those two words. I would think a future attorney could or would understand the different meaning of those two words.
Excellent means he does a very good job for his team as a role player coming off the bench.
Great means he is a star in the NBA.