I don't care what anyone says. I'm sick of people saying the Bobcats, who were the 7 seed last year and got embarassed in the first round - and then just lost Felton and Chandler - are making the playoffs. They're not. The 7 and 8 seeds are totally up for grabs, and I'm becoming increasingly confident in the Nets nabbing one of those spots.
PG: Devin Harris - Jordan Farmar
SG: Terrence Williams - Anthony Morrow
SF: Travis Outlaw - Damion James
PF: Troy Murphy - Derrick Favors
C: Brook Lopez - Johan Petro
They have nearly everything: a very good point guard (Harris' %'s dropped last year because there was so much pressure on him, that won't be the case this year), an incredibly versatile 2, a potential-laden 3, a 6-11 PF who's averaged 14 and 10 and 2 three-pointers a game over the past two seasons and one of the league's absolute best young centers (an elite talent regadless of position). Off the bench they have a game-changing athlete with 2 rings in Farmar, in my mind the league's best shooter in Morrow, a physical do-everything guy who proved in the summer league that he has real offensive potential in James and the third-overall pick in Favors. That will certainly be one of the league's most exciting and dynamic benches. If TWill and Outlaw buckle down on defense I would go so far as to pencil them in as the 7 seed. They're so balanced and now have the coach with the league's best all-time winning percentage and will be playing very hungry. Look for them to make waves.
I even said last year that the Nets were not a 17 win team. They have the peices. I like Avery as the coach. I think they'll make the playoffs.
I don't see them making the playoffs, but they can win at least 35 games though. Indiana and Philly grab that last spot and the Knicks should get the 7th. Also Washington has the talent to make some noise this year.
The Nets future is bright..Their main players are all young..and can grow together..
Damion James will be 1 of the steals of the draft..He's a young Shawn Marion...plus adding Troy Murphy a career double-double guy for Lee a bench player who forget how to play defense. last season..Lee played good defense with the Magic..
Jordan Farmer was a great playmaker in college..but the Lakers had him confused playing in that Triangle
They aren't going to the playoffs in 2010-2011. I don't see it. They should definitely improve from last year though, which isn't saying much, but they should be right around 30 wins
NO way in hell they make the playoffs they won 12 games last 12 games last year I repeat and the East has gotten so much stronger. Also what significant changes have they made to to make them go from a 12 win team to a playoff caliber team in a much improved East they will be better maybe 25-30 games is realistic
The East playoff scenario isn't going to change much, Cleveland and Charlotte are most likely the ones out and I'd say New York is going to fill the 7 or 8 seed and for the other I'd have to say Indiana, they hovered around the playoff race the past couple years and with Collison, Rush, Granger, Hibbert and the rookie class they brought in, I'd say they are the favorite over NJN, but I think they'll improve to the tune of 30 wins.
the 7th and 8th spots are very open and a number of teams can grab them. Nets have an outside chance. I think the addition of murphy will help a lot, and harris was terribly inconsistent last year coming off an injury. I think he gets back into a solid rythm and i like them to compete hard every night. But i owuldnt predict the playoffs. I say the knicks and sixers grab the last 2 spots.
people say they wernt a 17 win team
then wat were they?
the additions of avery johnson jordan farmer outlaw and murphy are not going to make this team win 40 plus win team
if hRRIS nd lopez r so good why didnt the do anything last year
if your telling me nets r bettter then nyk wiz philli ur just ignorant
forgot bout pacers thier gannna b ballin dis year
the nets lost a lot of close games and devin harris was injured, i understand when people say that they aren't a 12 wins team, but they weren't too much more either, maybe like 20wins
Devin Harris only played in 64 games and he was the teams best player and was injured early in the season at the time when teams try to develop chemistry. How would the Kings have done w/ out Tyreke Evans? The worse your team is; the more you need your top players to compete.
Power Forwards last year: Sean Williams, Yi Jianlian and Edwardo Najera. Power Forwards this year: Troy Murphy and Derrick Favors= a much much improved position for the Nets. Troy Murphy will be HUGE for a team that struggled rebounding last year.
Brook Lopez averaged 18 points and 8 rebounds while fighting other teams best defenders and constant double teams as the teams only low post option: That's where he was last year.
Last Year: Courtney Lee, Cris- Douglas Roberts, Trenton Hassel, Jarvis Haynes, Rookie Terrence Williams has turned into This Year: older Terrence Williams, Anthony Marrow, Travis Outlaw and Damion James= Improvment
or....maybe i'm just being ignorant
Sorry don't see them making the playoffs.
They might win a lot more games 25 games even but are too young and the East has improved.
what else do the Nets have to do to prove that they will be better. Last year doesnt count. The roster is completely redone. Go on espn website and look how many games the Nets played with 7 men. How many games they played starting guys like trenton hassel. Their squad is much better looking foward than Knicks and they have a much better draft situation.
how does last year not count
they will be better than a 17 win team but not close to being in playoffs thier a lottery pick away
how does last year not count
they will be better than a 17 win team but not close to being in playoffs thier a lottery pick away
The Nets will be improved but they won't be on the level of a playoff team.
There a year away.
Like the Murphy addition, this would allow Harris to get into the paint more often. I'm glad NJ didn't land a big free agent because it would stunt many of those nice young guy's development.
I don't think the Nets will make the playoffs this season, it's a big ask to go from noting to something in one season, having said that, it's not really a bad thing going into the lottery again, they can pick up another piece and move closer to the playoffs.
I don't think they'll make it this season, but i do think they've got a good chance of making the playoffs in the 11-12 season.
Every team has injuries look at the Blazers last year.
The Nets had to finish with a flurry for them just to avoid being the worst team ever record wise.
Bulls were the 8th seed last year with 41 wins, the East has improved.
Where did the Nets get better by 30 games with Johan Petro, Sean May, Quinton Ross, Damion Jones, Anthony Morrow, Derrick Favors, Travis Outlaw, Jordan Farmar and Troy Murphy.
None are All Stars and only Murphy, Morrow will have an impact.
Getting other teams backups doesn't help as much as you think.
Which team took a significant step back in the East really only the Cavs and Raptors.
I don't see them as a playoff team, about 3-4 non playoff teams from last year imrpoved more than they did.
I like the Troy Murphy addition a lot. He will be a great compliment to Brook Lopez. The Nets were a terrible rebounding team, and Brook Lopez isn't great in his own regard, so the the addition of top 10 rebounder should help. Last year Lopez faced doubleteams on a nightly basis, having Murphy as a stretch 4 will open the court and reduce the number of doubleteams Lopez faces.
Can we stop comparing the Nets to last year as a reason why they won't make the playoffs? They return only three players from last year's opening roster. Guess what those three were also their best three players come the end of the season. T-Will averaged 14 ppg, 7 rpg, 5 apg over the final two months, carried that over to the summer league this summer and is primed for a breakout season. Brook Lopez will be a top 5 center in the league and Devin Harris is only two years removed from an all star appearance. The rest of the team is gone. This isn't the same Nets folks.
The Pacers got better, but who else do they have besides Hibbert in the frontcourt and they're far from set at sg. I'm not sold on them being a playoff team. The Nets have as good a shot as anyone to grab that 8th seed.
We all know that the Troy Murphy addition makes them one of the worst defensive frontcourts in the NBA right?
Lol, a Knicks fan talking about poor defensive frontcourts. Have fun with Amar'e
The Nets lost 70 games last year.....That's all I have to say.
Good luck playing defense with a terrible defensive frontcourt and Devin Harris who hasn't played 70 games in a season in 06.
You should win 25-30 games next year
IF I had to guess right now, I'd say the Nets won't make the playoffs. Things could change though... Avery Johnson is a great coach and the roster has talent.
I really like the Murphy trade. He's not much of a defender, but he's a great rebounder, underrated offensive player AND plays with a mean streak. He compliments Lopez very well.
It's going to be interesting watching the relationship between Avery Johnson and Devin Harris. They didn't have the best relationship in Dallas. Harris needs to stay healthy and revert back to his All-Star form if they want to make the playoffs.
I think they'll be much improved this season... Better at both ends of the floor.
Like I said at the top at most they could possibly win is 35 because they are not build to beat the elite teams. They will probably get 30 wins though because they play in East and they have some talented players at every position but not many elite players. I could see them being like Detroit was in the past but not as good
Stop arguing about the bottom of the weak Eastern Conference. 2010-2011 NBA Champions: Miami Heat
Did you read my previous post? They only return T-Will, Lopez, and Harris from their team that started the season. Those were their three best players at the end of the season. So they add 9 new players to the team. They're a completely different team with 9 new players, a completely new coaching staff, a new gm and a new owner.
A frontcourt of Lopez, Murphy and Favors is better than half the frontcourts in the East.
Devin Harris was an all star two years and played one less game than 70 that year.
A frontcourt of Lopez, Murphy and Favors is better than half the frontcourts in the East.
Not it's not but I'll let it go. It's not worth talking about terrible teams.
THen why are you a knicks fan?
the substituted Dooling, Boone, Yi, Hayes, CDR with Farmar, Petro, Outlaw, Morrow ..... other than Morrow i dont see an improvement. Just because you switched your previous bums with some new bums doesn't mean you suddenly have a good team.
Knicks never lost 70 my man. The Nets did.
BKballer, I agree. Petro is a scrub, Morrow is a solid scorer but might struggle moving from uptempo to a actual offense, Farmar is alright and Outlaw is decent.
They also threw 40 mil to Tyrus Thomas.....
The Nets made nice moves but I don't the playoffs happening this season. Next Year? I see it because they might have 2 lotto picks and 10 mil cap space in 2011
Yeah they havent had a 12 win year but theyve been consistently awful for a while.
Theyll do a lot better this season but how could you hold on to them if you dont like teams that suck?
Eh, things happen. The Knicks are my team.
just don't see a drastic improvement from the nets standpoint, just reshuffling at a much higher cost. Murphy is a nice addition but everyone knows its a rental for a year. The Nets keep sending mixes messages because I don't think they themselves know what they are doing, Prokorov seems in way over his head but people love him because he is rich, jet skis and gives clever answers. They went into the offseason wanting to be big dogs, missed on everything and suddenyl said their plan all along was to collect young talent and grow as a team. Now they trade a young cheap player they were VERY high on just recently for an expensive one year rental.
and if you consider the Nets a better franchise you are under 16 years old and just thinking of the years jason kidd carried that team. the nets have been in the nba since 1976 and have ONE 50+ win season in those 34 years of existence. They have actually been a very sorry franchise that Kidd put on his back for a few years when the east was pathetically weak. And even those years they were pretty much irrelevant in the NBA landscape and especially in the tri state area. Knicks will get back to being a solid team again and be one of the popular nba franchises, nets can just hope to be the knicks little cousins.
1st you forgot about Troy Murphy, Derrick Favors and Damion James.
Troy Murphy is a top 10 rebounder in the league and a stretch 4 added to a team that really struggled shooting 3s
Derrick Favors is the 3rd overall pick in the draft. He's raw, but could be a defensive spark plug off the bench.
Damion James was one of the most impressive players in the Orlando Summer league and looks like he could have a strong rookie year
2nd Everyone the Nets added this offseason besides Murphy is 25 years old or younger with a great deal of potential. Morrow is a huge pickup for a team that didn't have a single player in the top 50 in the league in 3 point shooting. They desperately needed help rebounding and a 3 point shooter so they filled both those needs this offseason.
3rd The three guys the Nets return from last season will all be better. Terrence Williams like I said earlier improved drastically throughout the season and showed he's continued to improve over the summer. Brook Lopez is entering his 3rd year and made strides between his rookie and sophomore year in the league. He will not be facing the nightly doubleteams and could definitely be an all star. Devin Harris is only two years removed from an All Star appearance.
4th They had a gm with no coaching experience as their head coach last year. they brought in Avery Johnson a very well respected coach with a good staff.
5th the 8th spot in the East is wide open.
all low eastern conference teams (except knicks lol) had high lottery picks derrick favors is not going to get you over the top when teams you are trying to hop over got wall, turner etc. Plus considering how many flat out busts are picked in that range every year I don't consider Favors anything until he proves hes an nba player and not shelden williams or darko milicic or olokandi or jordan hill or .....
I don't think Derrick Favors will get them over the top. I just think he's a piece to the puzzle. They had a gm as a coach last year. Now they have two former coach of the year winners on their staff. They had no one in the top 50 in 3 point shooting, now they have arguably the best 3 point shooter in the league. They were of the worst rebounding teams in the league and add one of the top 10 rebounders in the league. Two of their three best players were in either their 1st or 2nd year in the league. They'll both get better. The other one was injured and wasn't the same player he was the year before.
The Thunder won 23 games in 2008-2009. The following year they win 50 and make the playoffs in the West. Granted the Nets don't have Durant and Westbrook so comparing them talentwise is foolish and theres no way the Nets win 50 games. But they're a young team and just because they were terrible last year doesn't mean they will be this year.
Nets suck. End of story.
no one is saying they wont improve... they definitely will. I just don't think the improvement was as drastic as you say. Yes their young players will get better but a lot of teams in the east have young players who they depend on a lot who should improve including the sixers, knicks, wizards, pacers. As for the players they added I remember hearing all this same hype about courtney lee, cdr, yi etc. Fact is they added decent bench players this year, but thats all they are...bench players. Outlaw has been in the league for 7 years, don't expect a huge improvement. Farmar is worse than Dooling in my opinion. Morrow is definitely a great addition but nothing to take a team over the top. you also forget that he put up those numbers in GS where his three were wide open, there must be a reason the warriors refused to give him a tiny 12 million dollar contract in a market where guys like milicic are getting 25.
The top 6 teams in the East are pretty set. I think the Knicks are the 7th seed, but if Amar'e goes down with an injury then they're in serious trouble and out of the playoffs. The Sixers have their issues. Brand is over the hill and they have a weak frontcourt. Igoudala and Turner play the same style of basketball so its going to be interesting to see how they coexist. Turner also didn't look good playing off the ball in the summer league. Arenas hasn't played serious minutes in a long time and I have doubts whether he'll be able to guard sgs. Blatche is a headcase who only started to put up some serious numbers once everyone good was traded from that team. McGee looked good in the summer league and has some flash with nice dunks, etc, but he gets thrown around by bigger bodies in the NBA and isn't a great defensive rebounder. Wall will have a good rookie season, but how much of an impact do expect him to have in terms of wins and losses. The Pacers have no one in the frontcourt besides Hibbert. Who are they going to start at pf Hansbrough or McRoberts? They are also far from set at sg. I don't see how any of those teams is clearly better than the Nets
I mean the Nets could sneak into the playoffs its definitely possible and they have plenty of young talent that even if they don't will be fun to watch. However I still see them as maybe 10th in the east, with Knicks and Bobcats being favorites for the finals two spots. Bobcats do not have any serious star power, but seem to get things done with very stingy defense.
Philly will finish ahead of both NY teams and that should be good enough to make the playoffs.
They don't have a great roster but history has proven that whenever Doug Collins becomes the coach, that team does extremely well his first two years. Doug Collins, who's probably the best analyst in basketball, somehow seems to grate on his team starting around the third year.
Just read through this thread and you will see the same thing that happens every year, NY teams are almost always overrated. Both the Knicks and Nets are headed for sub par seasons.
I don't remember who made the comment about Troy Murphy's lack of defense, but I 2nd that observation. He's a nice player on the offense end and he definitely rebounds big time, but he doesn't guard anyone, period.
why would amare go down with injury? he has been healthy for a while now...i mean everything is possible of course but i wouldnt count on it
I don't think theres a good chance he goes down with an injury just saying in the off chance that it does happen they would probably be out of the playoff picture. There's a reason the Knicks were the only team to offer a 5 year contract and why no insurance company wants to back the contract. The microfracture surgery he had on his knee has to be some sort of concern. I personally don't think he gets injured I'm just saying if he does goes down they're in trouble.
no chance philly is better than the Knicks, and probably not the nets either
bkballer, I would love to bet you that with Doug Collins as their coach, Philly will outplay both NY teams. Check out his history, whenever he takes over a franchise that is an immediate upgrade.
Philly doesn't have a great roster but they have a decent array of players. They needed a head coach who would make them play as a team. They have a well balanced squad and depth everywhere. And although he will only be a rookie, I expect Evan Turner to have a major impact his first year.
Doug Collins is a good guy and solid coach, please don't make him out to be some sort of savior though, he has a slighlty above .500 record for his career. The sixers are a mess of a team and pretty much have the same roster other than the addition of turner.
Doug Collins has taken over three teams. Two of the three teams he took over didn't have a winning record in his 1st season. So he's not some miracle worker you're making him out to be. The last team he took over, Wahington went 37-45 in his first season and didn't make the playoffs. Rookies rarely make a substantial impact. Look at ROY Tyreke Evans, his team was god awful last year. A very special player is needed to make a big impact in his rookie season and I don't think Evan Turner is that type of player. He was a pg at Ohio St and was very effective as a facilitator, but struggled playing off the ball in the summer league. His style is very similar to Igoudala and I don't know how well they'll play together.
we can agree on one thing tho, both knicks and nets have solid futures and this season will be exciting for both of us. I'd be more than happy with the Knicks getting 7th and the nets grabbing the 8th this season.....sixers will finishs 11th-12th though.
Kerry Kittles posted only one Win-Lost record for Doug Collins which was the 2001-2002 Wizards. However, he conveniently left out the team records before and after Doug Collins took over. In other words, Kerry was telling the truth but distorting the facts.
In 1985-86 the Chicago Bills record was 30-52.
In 1986-87, Doug Collins took over and their record was 40-42. That was an improvement of 10 additional wins.
In his 2nd season with the Bulls they had a fantastic season with a 50-32 win-lost record.
Detroit: in 1994-95 they were an atrocious 28-54.
Doug Collins took over the next season, 1995-1996, and they improved to 46-36. That was a jump of 18 wins over the previous season.
In 1996-1997, his 2nd season with the Pistons, their record soared to 54-28
Washington Wizards. The year before Doug Collins took over, they were horrendous. Their 2000-2001 record was 19-63
In 2001-2002 they were 37-45 under Doug Collins which was another quantum leap from the previous season. Once again, just as he did with Detroit, the team won an additional 18 games after Collins became the head coach.