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nerlens noel is overrated

does anyone else think noel is gonna fade fast in the nba? he has absolutley nothing offensively, and his motor runs hot and cold all the time. hes great defensivly, but unless he gets stronger and puts on some serios muscle he will get destroyed by bigs like howard because there so much stronger and athletic. and i dought he will learn much at kentucky with coach cals rap star environment. thoughts?


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You could at least try to

You could at least try to hide your bias against uk when making a post like this. Its pretty clear Cal does a very good job of improving his players in there one year at uk. Cousins was a peremiter oriented player until he got to kentucky. Davis grew leaps and bounds as an offensive player from the start of the season to the tourney. Noel will never be a big guy but he can still succeed as a PF in the league.

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haha

are you really comparing noel with davis and cousins? yea i don't like kentucky because cal uses people who have nothing to do with basketball to recruit. noel will get caught up in the fun times. wait and see. davis has a motor that never stops and cousins is massive with a unique skill set. so yea noel will fall at live it up U. because he thinks he is a guard on offence and does not know he needs to work on his inside game. you will see.

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Even if I wasn't a UK fan I

Even if I wasn't a UK fan I wouldn't know what to say to this...I have a feeling that you wouldn't be saying this about him if he was going anywhere else

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you can read minds?

i would because he has a lot to improve on. all im saying is coach cal has created an environment there that is a distraction to some players that need work on there game. read between the lines before you comment. thanks!!!!!!

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If their is such a

If their is such a distraction why do his players continue to grow leaps and bounds and produce at the nba level, "rap star environment" means what, they get girls and party, that is what college and being 19 years old is all about. Don't be mad because all the top recruits are being noticed and recruited by someone with the resources to make them happy. Become less ignorant before you commnet. thanks!!!!!

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exactly my point. and no I

exactly my point.

and no I am not comparing Noel to those two, I am just pointing them out as examples of what Cal can do in a players development. You say Noel likes to play like a guard on the peremiter. And in high school that is how Noel played. But Cousins and Davis also both played like wings in high school also. Cal isnt going to let Noel play on the peremiter just like he didnt let Cousins or Davis (until the very end of the season) play on the outside either.

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yea right

and im pointing out not every player falls to the distraction, but certain players will. im not judging davis yet, but its his rookie year and he is currently hurt. so how about we wait and see huh? i like cousins a lot, but last time i checked sacramento has not done much since he has been there because its a guard driven league and although cousins is a really talented player, he still is not a franchise center. so go root for kentucky and when cal leaves and you get hit with ncaa violations you will see what i mean. check out memphis!!!!!!!!

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So you can read minds and now

So you can read minds and now who will get distracted? Hypocrite.

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no i don't read minds i read production

look at what john wall has done? i don't see a ton. the wizards still suck and he is hurt now too. and hanging out and partying till 4 am and going to practice at 9 or 10 does not help anyone. and some NOT all guys will do that. its not the players fault. they love these rappers and naturally they want to hang out with them. coach cal creates this to get a super team and when the ncaa starts to bare down on him he splits for another college and leaves the previos place for dead with violations. LOOK AT MEMPHIS!!!!!!

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Their are many reasons the

Their are many reasons the Wizards suck and John Wall has been hurt pretty much his entire career so far, let him get one healthy season. How is it not the players fault when he chooses to stay out until 4 am? Did coach Cal say to John "hey don't you dare fall asleep before 6 beers, 2 blunts, and 2 hoes" or do you think John Wall already was into that life and continued when he went to college. When you get older and realize what college is you will find that John Wall didn't need Cal to have a good time in college. Coach Cal creates rappers at UK to hang out with?

You do realize that all legit basketball programs cheat right? UNC and Duke don't get caught because part of their image that generates millions of dollars for the NCAA is based on them being the honest school, when they both ran into recruiting violations nothing happened. Memphis at the time and Kentucky now are not viewed this way and if they were to get caught, Cal would leaves for another school and generate the same millions for the NCAA he was at Memphis and is currently doing at Kentucky, a violation doesn't effect the images of these schools in a way that harms the NCAA financially.

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How can Noel be overrated? I think everybody knows that he´s very athletic, nice shotblocker and has a ton of potential. But everybody who watches his games takes notice that he is very raw on offense and questions his work-etihc.

So I dont know why you say he´s overrated ...

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heres why

recruiter organazations like espn ranked him ahead of someone like shabazz who has way more skills and motor when he is not close to shabazz and they think he will be and deserves to be the 1st pick. all because of a reclasification. thats why.

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Duh he has less skill and

Duh he has less skill and motor than Shabazz, Shabazz is a wing player. Bigs don't have to try as hard to dominate, also the game isn't as fun for them because all they do is rebound, block, and dunk which explains the motor issues with almost all big men. I guess Shabazz is less likely to get distracted even though he has already had investigations into his impermisable benefits right?

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NO

bigs may not be the most important thing, but once you get to the nba they become essential to go with great wings and guards. and shabazz will be a guard in the nba, not a wing. and what would cal have done without davis last year? nothing. and davis has a great motor.

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I never said bigs weren't

I never said bigs weren't imporant, having bigs that can at least box out and play some help defense is more important than perimeter skill. "wings" refers to a perimeter player that is playing off the ball, standing on the "wings" of the court, Shabazz won't be a point so he is a shooting guard which is a wing. Last year without Davis they don't win the tournament but take the best players off of any team and they get worse. By doing nothing do you mean they wouldn't make the tournament? Teague, Lamb, Jones, Miller, Vargas, Wiltjer is still solid college team that would have a single digit seed at the end of the year so "nothing" doesn't describe what they would do. Never said Davis had a bad motor, I said many bigs do. Also do you think having a good motor on the court will make girls and parties less appealing?

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Yeah, I think they see some

Yeah, I think they see some similarities to Amthony Davis who was also known for his great defensive on the beginning of his freshman season and who was (maybe not that) raw on offense like nerlens. AD was ranked at number 2 or 3 I think, and like we all know he became the number 1 pick at the end of the season, so they might try to "avoid" that they some ranking mistakes once more.

You understand my point? ;)

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yea i do

defensivly i see the similarities, but motor wise and offensivly davis is far more advanced, he has better post skills and a reliable jumper. which noel has neither at the same time. and to rate someone better because there 6-11 and a great defensive player and nothing else is not right. shabazz does everything offensivly and competes hard every time on d. he just needs to refine his defensive technique. if bigs today worked on there post skills and jumpers more the nba would not be as guard and wing driven. that is my point.

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Your point was that Nerlens

Your point was that Nerlens Noel was overrated and he isn't, everyone knows his pros and cons but you are only focusing on his cons. Shabazz is overrated because he only uses on hand, can't shoot, and doesn't pass. He will be distracted by the rap star and violent environment of UCLA. The ratings are not trying to be fair to everyone and give gold stars for goof effort, they rank how well one athlete will impact the game and Noel's impact will be bigger than Shabazz. Shabazz will score but he won't help his teammates on defense and on offense he will be ball hogging which doesn't make his teamamtes better.

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Let´s choose a mix of them,

Let´s choose a mix of them, who is solid on both ends .............. #1 Codey Zeller

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heads up

some of the people on this site need to study the game of basket ball a little more. not everyone but some people on here are just out there with there logic.

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And you are the trusted

And you are the trusted source for all hoops info and general logic? Neither of us have any credentials and you have 33 posts; you have done nothing to make us think your opinion is well founded but rather bashed UK's environment, Coach Cal, and insinuated that UK players just party all night. You also managed to show your bias for Shabazz. Good to now that you think Shabazz is better than Noel based on youtube clips.

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my last post on this

noel being overated now is a matter of opinion and in about 4 years it will be fact. im tired of aruging on this subject. lets talk again in 4 or 5years everyone.

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Zeller isn't great on both

Zeller isn't great on both ends. It's not like he lit up college on offense and his defense isn't the greatest (neither is IU's). Noel is raw on offense but he can get up to double figures ( and that was before his 17 points in UK's scrimmage). As dominate as Bazz is on offense that is what Noel is on defense. He isn't overrated because no one every says he can do things that he can't do, all scouts say he has work to do on offense but that's where coaching comes in and there isn't a better coach than Cal when it comes to making freshman better as the year goes on.

And you say Cal would have done nothing without Davis, didn't he get to the final four and titles games before he got Davis? What would any team, that has won a title, have done without its best player/MOP of the final four?

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The thing is, he isn't

The thing is, he isn't dominant on defense. He's good, and has an incredible ability to block/contest shots, but he isn't a lockdown defender by any means. He gambles all the time going for the block and gets owned by pump fakes, as well as fouls often do to jumping at everything.

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I dont listen to prospect

I don't listen to prospect insight from people who are too lazy to use correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. If you can't even hang with the principles of an entry level community college english class, why should I care what you think of Nerlens Noel? perhaps you should join him at Kentucky. You can take his classes and do his homework, and he can focus on that missing offensive game. sounds like a win-win for everyone.

I'm "serios".

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Dude, you are a joke!!! I'm

Dude, you are a joke!!! I'm with you that Nerlens is a little

Pverrated, but your blatant hate for Coach Cal & UK has just made you look like a complete biased idiot!!!!!!! It's embarrassing to read.

You should be focusing in middle school! Not sitting on the library computer

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"You should be focusing in middle school! Not sitting on the library computer" .....lmao

I'm just a bit confused as to how you can make the claim that he is overrated without him ever playing a college basketball game.

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