The NBA's Top 50
When Zach Randolph plays, he a 20-10 lock every night I feel. He gets no love because he plays in Memphis, but he's a great player and I think a solid top 20-25 guy.
I could understand having the point guards over Melo and maybe Dirk, but not Stoudemire. Since 2003, Carmelo Anthony has been the most clutch player in the NBA according to numbers along with the fact he leads all small forwards in rebounding plus he's one of the top 10 scorers in the NBA
Eric Gordon and Stephen Curry aren't better than Joe Johnson... I don't even think Monta Ellis is a better basketball player than Johnson. Other than Dwayne Wade, there's only one other shooting guard I'm willing to say is better than Johnson and that's Manu Ginobli...
I do, I think Curry is better overall. I feel Curry is low right now when I look at it. He's a great point guard today, he just plays with Monta. I'm telling you, he's a STUD
As for Gordon, I just perfer him over Johnson. I think he's better.
It's your top 50, but I don't know how that makes sense...
Johnson is a complete player who may not be a true number one guy, but has led his team to the playoffs the last few years. Gordon isn't the complete player that Johnson is and neither is Curry.
I just don't know... I mean, based on what grounds can you say they're better than him?
I forgot Rudy Gay! Knew I FORGOT SOMEONE
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I base it on: Overall, Contract, Value, 5 years from now and Intangables. It's kinda like Simmons trade value chart. First, this list will come out in the summer. But here's my opinion:
Eric Gordon is a better slasher, scorer and defender then Johnson. The passing numbers are closer then you think, the rebound numbers support Johnson as well. I feel Gordon is just a better basketall player. Yes, Johnson was leading ATL to the playoffs, but it took seasons to do that (which is why I ranked Johnson 2nd behind Horford and barely in front of Smith)
Stephen Curry is my guy. People don't believe me, this man is Steve Nash 2.0. I feel if Golden State wanted Joe Johnson and Stephen Curry was the piece they were gonna send, I think Atlanta does it in a heartbeat. Curry can't defend, but he does everything else so well.
I just don't really see it with Stephen Curry. I know not many people will agree with me here, but I just don't see him ever being better than Monta Ellis is right now. He is a good player no doubt, but I don't see him as a franchise talent, or someone to build around.
I just don't really see it with Stephen Curry. I know not many people will agree with me here, but I just don't see him ever being better than Monta Ellis is right now. He is a good player no doubt, but I don't see him as a franchise talent, or someone to build around.
I do. He's underrated right now. He can't defend, but he's a good scorer, he's a improving passer and he actually rebounds alright for a point guard (4.2 career, 3.2 this season). I feel once he leaves Monta Ellis, I think he's gonna be a 23-8-4 type guy for Golden State. He's that good. I understand you don't see it, but you have to trust me on this one, that man has some game and can be a leader on a offense.
Verejao is one of the best defensive players in the NBA. Odom has done this for what? 6 months?
West is a product of CP3. If CP3 left, he'd be averaging like 15-7. He's not that good.
You can switch them if you want, Noah does everything better then Aldridge IMO then scoring.
Odom has always been a great player, his numbers have dipped from earlier in his career but hes very been great on a elite team.
If he was on an awful team like the Cavs he would be a 20, 10 guys.
Heck Varejaos numbers are very inflated being on a team with noone who can rebound the ball, and hes not that good defensibly.
And what do you mean hes done this for 6 months? Lamar Odom has been a double-double guy for years.
Varejao is a good player, But Lamar is just so much better its not close.
West had a slow start to his career, but he was a beast in college, and when Paul was out he did just as good maybe better than with Paul.
This ones close, but Noah is not as good as you think defensively, i remember Oden abusing him last year, and he really struggles against stronger players.
Aldridge is an underrated defender personally i think, hes great against stretch fours, can hold his own against most fours, and is probably the best big man in the at switching on guards.
Noahs Obviously the better rebounder, but Aldridge is much better offensively.
Ill take Aldridge.
Odom's a great player, no dobuting that, but he's a guy who's known to coast in his career. I watched him play alot in LAC and in Miami, that's one of the reason he was movable. I love Anderson Verejao's game. He's a better Kendrick Perkins, he's a great defender overall in the low post and high post, he's efficent when he has to score and he's always been one of the top players in terms of plus-minus. I rather have Verejao.
With Noah, he is a slightly overrated defender but he's a great rebounder and he's very tough. He's a player who can start, try hard and doesn't need touches on offense to keep him interested. It's very hard to find a player like that in the NBA and he and Verejao are those guys. Aldridge is great and this stretch is showing me something about him, but I rather give it till the end of the season and see what's up then.
Remember, I do this in the summer so by then, some guys move up and some move down. Also, I think I'm moving Luis Scola in for discussion.
Dwight isn't above Kobe, Wade or Durant in my opinion. Number 2 is too high. Durant is too low, Gay should be in the top 20, instead of Z-Bo, I honestly think he's the better player and should have been an All-Star this season. Melo too high as well, and Paul should be above Rose, though I do think Rose has surpassed Deron. Also, Amare should be above Pau, he proved he can play without Nash and has made the Knicks relevant again. While Pau has floundered after a hot start. Agreed that Jeff Green shouldn't be in the top 50. Also, Aldridge should be above Iguodala, Curry and a number of others you've put there. I agree about Gordon being better than Joe Johnson.
Imo, he has passed Josh Smith. He has carried the Blazers and has had an amazing season while being double teamed throughout the year. I'd definetely put him in the top-30. He is a top-10 mvp canidate this year. Gordon and Curry are a little high IMO. Nice list, though.
I rather place Scola into the discussion over Milsap.
I think Dwight, if the NBA had a fantasy draft, would be the 2nd pick. He produces more then all the players below him on defense and he's not far off on offense.
Amar'e is not above Pau. If you swapped the two, Los Angeles wouldn't be able to win a title I feel.
Chris Paul isn't better then Rose IMO and Melo is high, but I explained why I had him that high
I don't think Aldridge is a top 30 player in the NBA.
Bargs is good, but I agree. Maybe he's a guy not in the top 50.
And I'm a huge Eric Gordon fan, but do you people who are saying Gordon is better than Johnson think Gordon could lead a team to the playoffs as it's top option?
Gordon doesn't have the ball handling, passing, mid-range game or all-around skills that Johnson has yet. He's also not as good in the fourth quarter either.
And I'm a huge Eric Gordon fan, but do you people who are saying Gordon is better than Johnson think Gordon could lead a team to the playoffs as it's top option?
- I'd argue he was second option or even third option. I'd argue if you swap Gordon for Johnson, Atlanta would be a similar team to what they are now.
dwight is not better than kobe
dwade is better than dwight
amare is better than rondo
ray allen i thinked is ranked to low
john wall right now is not better than boozer
danny granger is better than josh smith
joe johnson is better than curry
horford is ranked to high...HOW THE HELL IS HORFORD BETTER THAN JOE JOHNSON????
ill just stop it there
dwight is not better than kobe ( Offensive numbers aren't far apart, Dwight is the best defensive big in the NBA)
Dwade better then Dwight ( No he's not, Dwght is better)
amare is better than rondo (No he's not, Rondo is way better and a better defender at his position)
ray allen i thinked is ranked to low ( That's a opinion, but where do u think he should go?)
john wall right now is not better than boozer ( True, I should move Wall down)
danny granger is better than josh smith ( I don't think so)
joe johnson is better than curry ( I spoke about it earlier....read above)
horford is ranked to high...HOW THE HELL IS HORFORD BETTER THAN JOE JOHNSON???? ( Johnson was there in Atlanta and won 21 and 27 games before Horford came. Once Horford came, they became a 40-50 win team)
Fine you want an explanation, here it is:
- LeBron James
Duh
2. Dwight Howard- In terms of VALUE, yes, in terms of TALENT, no. Dwight is an immovable piece, but he still lacks some of the intangibles of some others on this list. but im fine with it.
3. Kobe Bryant- I disagree, but thats fine.
4. D Wade, 5. Derrick Rose- Good
6. Carmelo- Woahhhhh, absolutely not. Look at what the Nuggets are getting for Carmelo in these deals- this guy does not have more value then the 5-10 guys listed below him. Ask yourself, Im not even positive Sac Town would trade Reke for Melo straight up.
7 & 8. D Williams and CP3- I disagree. Westbrook is better than both of them right now.
9. Durant- Definitely should be top 5. Two years in a row as scoring leader says enough.
10. Dirk- Should be higher, one of the most valued players in the league, a true franchise guy, basically irreplacable in Dallas.
11. Gasol- probably right around here.
12. Westbrook- Again, should be higher. He has been outside Rose the best PG in the game this year.
13. Rondo- Yup
14. Amare- I would go a bit lower. He hasnt proven he can win, and remember when PHX couldnt find anyone to take him acouple years back? I think his value is lower than people think.
15. Andrew Bogut- WTF???? I dont even know if hes top 40. This guy is putting up numbers, but has never been a winner, and his numbers arent THAT impressive.
16. Steve Nash- Too old to be this high. But i can live with it.
17. Blake Griffin- In terms of immediate talent, hes probably a few spots higher. In terms of value, hes top 5.
18. Chris Bosh- About right.
19. Al Horford- I think Jo Noah is better
20. ZBo- yup
21. Tony Parker-Dont think hes the best of the Spurs, hes probably the worst
22. Monta- Debatable. Wish i had evidence he can win but i guess this is fair. I would put Curry ahead of him personally.
23. KG- Yup
24. PP34-Yup
25. Manu- I would go a bit higher, but generally the right range
26. Duncan- At this point, yes
27. Eric Gordon, i agree, probably one of the most underrated players in the league
28. Steph Curry- Higher. Curry has been outstanding for a 2nd year guy. More efficient then his backcourt mate, too.
29. J Johnson- Its hard with the contract. I dont buy hes a proven winner/leader. This team has never won anything other than first round series against crippled/one man teams. And he might not even be there best player. The one thing i do know, he aint worth 120 million dollars. I would go lower.
30. Iggy- Lower
31. J Smoove- Inigma. I would go Lower, but its basically around here
32. Granger- Yup
33. J Wall- Still has some growing to do, so i would say this is right.
34. Kevin Martin- Lower
35. Boozer- Higher. This guy is legit 20-10 yet hes behind J Smoove?
36. Joakim Noah- Miles behind Horford? Come on.
37. Aldridge- Higher. This guy should have been an all star
38. Bynum- Yup
39. K Love- I would go higher based on production.
40. Reke- Yup, around here.
41. Stephen Jackson- Yup
42. Al Jefferson- I dont think hes a top 50 player right now.
43. Gerald Wallace- Yup
44. Marc Gasol- Not a top 50 player
45. Brandon Jennings- Needs to show more, but based on potentail im fine with it.
46. Jeff Green- Not top 50
47 Luol Deng- Yup
48. Ray Allen- Yup
49- Bargnani- Maybe if they only played on one end...but hes not top 50
50- Cousins- Way too Soon.
Omissions:
Paul Millsap
Nene
Rudy Gay
David West
Whoa...you went in, let me explain the one you disagreed with.
6. Carmelo Anthony: Top 3 SF in the NBA, The Clutchest player in the NBA according to the numbers presented by Abbott in the Kobe article and leads the NBA in rebounding for SF's. He can't defend, but he's fantastic everywhere else. Also, Bill Simmons is wrong. Denver would move Melo for Evans in a heartbeat
12. Westbrook- I disagree. I think this is perfect for him. I feel he's not one of the top 10 players in the NBA. He's firmly in the second tier.
15. Bogut- Agree, he's moving down
31. Josh Smith- I might move him up
35. Boozer- Yup, he's going up
37. Aldridge- He's my ultimate "I wanna see in the offseason" guy. Good stretch, I wanna see more.
44. Gasol- Trust, he's a legit 17-10 guy I think. He's gonna have a monster season if he stays and Z-Bo leaves.
Heres my 50, i lost someone, let me know if you can figure out who it is cuz i cant lol
Right now, in terms of talent, not career accomplishments:
1. Lebron
2. Dwight Howard
3. D Wade
4. Derrick Rose
5. Kevin Durant
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Dirk
8. Russell Westbrook
9. Rajon Rondo
10. Gasol
11. Deron Williams
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Chris Paul
14. Blake Griffin
15. Amare Stoudamire
16. Chris Bosh
17. Tim Duncan
18. LaMarcus Aldridge
19. Manu Ginobli
20. Zach Randolph
21. Kevin Garnett
22. Carlos Boozer
23. Joakim Noah
24. Paul Pierce
25. Steve Nash
26. Steph Curry
27. Monta Ellis
28. Al Horford
29. Eric Gordon
30. Tony Parker
31. Kevin love
32. Rudy Gay
33. David West
34. Josh Smith
35. Iguodala
36. Joe Johnson
37. John Wall
38. Danny Granger
39. Tyreke Evans
40. Kevin Martin
41. Stephen Jackson
42. Andrew Bynum
43. Luis Scola
44. David West
45. Ray Allen
46. Luol Deng
47. Gerald Wallace
48. Brandon Jennings
49. Andrew Bogut
how has brandon jennings establiched himself as a top 50 player? He is averaging 16 and 5 assists while shooting 38% and on a bad team. And how come no one is showing odom lovem he is getting better numbers then jennings while coming off the bench as a 4th option on one ofthe best teams in the league. Im prettys ure if someone is a strong all-star candidate by just about every source out there, that makes them a top 50 player. Put odom on milwaukee and he is getting about 19 and 12 boards and close to those 5 assists that jennings is getting.
Wanted some input and this is my current draft. Did all this in my head, who's too low and who's too high? Give me a clue
What do you think?