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NBA's proposal to players leaked...

NOW, we get to see what the players will be seeing Monday...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/nba%20proposal%2011-11-2011.pdf


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CBA 2005... Compare.

NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement
NBA CBA | Aug. 10, 2005

I. General

A. Term of Agreement

The new collective bargaining agreement begins with the 2005-06 season and runs through the 2010-11 season. The NBA has the option to extend the CBA for the 2011-12 season.

A. Length of Contracts

The maximum length of a player contract has been decreased from 7 years for Bird players and 6 years for other players to 6 years for Bird players and 5 years for other players.

II. Escrow and Tax System

A. Escrow Level

  • The escrow level will be 57% (same as the 2004-05 season). This percentage will be guaranteed to the players, so that if total player costs before deducting escrow monies from the players are less than 57% of BRI, the difference will be paid by the league to the players. (In the event BRI for any season is more than 30% above the BRI level for 2004-05, the escrow level will increase to 57½% for that season and subsequent seasons).
  • The maximum percentage of player salaries and benefits that can be withheld from the players for purposes of meeting the 57% escrow level will be: 10% in year 1; 9% in years 2 – 5; and 8% in year 6 (and 8% in the option year, if exercised). The previous escrow withholding limit was 10%.

    B. Tax

  • A team tax trigger will be set at 61% of BRI (the league-wide tax trigger for 2004-05 was 63.3%). The tax will be in effect each season, and will apply to any team with a payroll that exceeds the tax trigger. The tax trigger for each season will be established before the season based on a projection of BRI. For the 2005-06 season, the tax level is set at $61.7 million.
  • Each team will be permitted to waive one “amnesty” player on or before August 15, 2005 and to remove that player’s salary from its payroll for purposes of computing its tax payment for the 2005-06 season and any future seasons for which the player was under contract. (The team will still be obligated to pay the player his guaranteed salary, if any.) The team will not be permitted to re-sign or re-acquire the player prior to the end of the term of his terminated contract. Alternatively, a team that previously waived a player whose guaranteed salary is continuing to be included in the team’s payroll for the 2005-06 season and any future seasons will be permitted to designate that player’s salary for removal from its payroll for purposes of computing its tax payment.
  • The “amnesty rule” will only provide relief with respect to a team’s tax obligation (based on the designated player’s salary for the applicable season or seasons) and will not, for example, enable a team to free up room under the Cap. However, teams under the tax level (or under the Cap) for this season may still waive an amnesty player and receive the possible tax benefit of removing the player’s salary in future years.

    III. Salary Cap and Related Rules

    A. Salary Cap

  • The Salary Cap for the 2005-06 season is $49.5 million (which is based on 49.5% of BRI).
  • In the new deal, the salary cap increases from 48% of BRI currently to 49.5% of BRI in 2005-06 and 51% of BRI for the remainder of the CBA.

    B. Annual Increases and Decreases

    The permissible year-to-year increases in multi-year player contracts are as follows:

  • Bird and Early Bird Contracts may increase by up to 10.5% of year-one salary (down from 12.5%).
  • Other contracts may increase by up to 8% of year-one salary (down from 10%).

    C. Rookie Scale Contracts

  • Rookie scale contracts will provide for two guaranteed seasons with two separate one-year options in favor of the team for seasons 3 and 4. (In the previous agreement, rookie scale contracts provided for three (3) guaranteed seasons with a team option for year four.) The first team option is exercisable following the end of the player’s first season, and the second team option is exercisable following the end of the player’s second season. A team that exercises both options will continue to have first refusal rights following the player’s fourth season.
  • The rookie scale and 3rd and 4th-year options and 5th-year Qualifying Offer amounts for 2005 first round draft picks (at 100% of their scale amounts) are set forth in Exhibit A attached to this memorandum. Teams will still have the ability to pay 20% more or less than the scale amounts.

    D. Maximum Player Salaries

    As under the prior CBA, in the first year of a new contract a player may receive the greater of 105% of the player’s prior salary, or:

  • 0-6 years of service: 25% of Salary Cap ($12 million this year).
  • 7-9 years of service: 30% of Salary Cap ($14.4 million this year).
  • 10 or more years of service: 35% of Salary Cap ($16.8 million this year).
  • The maximum player salaries will continue to be based on a 48.04% of BRI Salary Cap (not on the new, higher Salary Cap).

    E. Minimum Player Salaries

  • Attached as Exhibit B to this memorandum are the minimum player salaries in each year of the new CBA.
  • Any amounts paid to a player in a one-year minimum contract that exceed the minimum salary applicable to players with two years of service (instead of four under the prior CBA) shall be paid out of a league-wide benefits fund and shall be excluded from Team Salary.
  • Solely for purposes of computing a team’s Team Salary for tax purposes (and not, for example, for purposes of calculating a team’s room under the Cap), a free agent with zero years of service (i.e., a rookie, but not a second round pick) or one year of service who signs for the minimum player salary will be included in Team Salary based on the minimum applicable to a player with two years of service. For example, if a team signs a rookie (other than a drafted player) in 2005-06 to a minimum contract that pays $398,762, the player will be included in the team’s Team Salary for tax purposes at $719,373 (the 2005-06 minimum for a player with two years of service).

    F. Salary Cap Exceptions

  • Mid-level Exception: For the 2005-06 season, the Mid-level exception will be $5 million. In subsequent years, the Mid-level exception will equal 108% of the average player salary for the prior season.
  • “Bi-annual” Exception (formerly “Million Dollar” Exception): For the 2005-06 season, the amount of the Bi-annual exception will be $1.670 million. In subsequent years, the amount of the exception will increase by 4.5% annually. The alternating-year rule that applies to this exception has been carried over from the prior CBA. Therefore, teams that used all or part of the exception in 2004-05 will not have the right to use the Bi-annual exception in 2005-06.

    G. Rosters

  • Each team is required to carry 12 players on its active list and one player on its inactive list (which will replace the injured list). Teams may have a maximum of three players on their inactive list (subject to hardship rules, which will apply in the event that a team with three injured players on its inactive list has a fourth player that suffers an injury). Players sent to the NBA Development League (see below) will continue to count on a team’s inactive list.
  • The league has agreed to guarantee that, on a league-wide basis, teams will maintain an average roster size of 14 players over the course of the season.

    H. Trade Rules

  • A traded player may be “simultaneously” replaced (i.e., in the same transaction) by one or more players whose salaries in the aggregate do not exceed 125% of the salary of the players being traded, plus $100,000 (In the previous deal, the figure was 115% of the salary, plus $100,000).
  • “Sign-and-trade” rules remain unchanged.
  • If a team trades a player and the player is subsequently waived by the assignee team, the assignor team will not be permitted to sign the player to a new contract (or claim him off of waivers) until at least 30 days have passed following the date the trade was made (or 20 days for trades that occur during the off-season).
  • A draft rookie may not be traded until 30 days following the date on which his contract is signed. Other players remain subject to the rule providing that they may not be traded before the later of (i) three months following the signing of the contract or (ii) December 15.
  • A player signed to a one-year contract who would be a Bird or Early Bird player at the conclusion of his contract cannot be traded without the player’s consent. If the player consents and is traded, he will lose whatever “Bird” rights he has acquired (i.e., he will be considered to have moved to the new team as a free agent). (The rule prohibiting such players from being traded has been eliminated.)
  • Base Year Compensation rules remain unchanged, except that a player’s Base Year Compensation will expire on the later of (i) the June 30 following the date the Base Year goes into effect, or (ii) six months following the date the Base Year goes into effect.

    I. Restricted Free Agency

  • A team must exercise its options for the third and fourth seasons of a Rookie Scale Contract in order to have first refusal rights (following year 4).
  • Offer Sheets must be for at least two seasons (instead of three), not including any option year, unless the player’s prior team gives the player both a Qualifying Offer and an alternative offer of a “maximum” contract, in which case the Offer Sheet must be for three or more years (not including any option year).
  • Offer Sheets for players with one or two years of service must comply with the following: 1. The first year salary may not exceed 108% of the average player salary for the prior year and the second year salary may not increase or decrease by more than 8%. 2. If the Offer Sheet provides for 108% of the average player salary for the first year with an 8% increase for the second year, then the Offer Sheet may provide for salary in the third year up to the amount that the player would have been eligible to receive in that year had his salary in the first year been for any amount up to the “maximum” salary allowable for that player (e.g., first year at the player’s maximum allowable salary with annual increases of 8% of the first-year salary). The player’s salary after the third year may increase or decrease by no more than 6.9% of the third-year salary. 3. In order to determine whether a team has room to extend such an Offer Sheet, the first year salary will be deemed to equal the average of the aggregate salaries for each year covered by the Offer Sheet. 4. If the player’s prior team doesn’t exercise its Right of First Refusal, the averaged salary amount will be included in the new team’s Team Salary for each year of the contract. However, if the player’s prior team does exercise its Right of First Refusal, the amount included in Team Salary for each year shall be the salary set forth in the contract.
  • A team now has seven (7) days (instead of 15) to match an offer sheet tendered to a player that is subject to such team’s Right of First Refusal.

    J. NBA Development League

    During an NBA player’s first two seasons in the league (regardless of his age when he entered the league), his team will be permitted to assign him to a team in the NBA Development League. A player can be assigned to the NBADL up to three times per season. The player will continue to be paid his NBA salary and will continue to be included on his NBA team’s roster (on the inactive list) while playing in the NBADL.

    K. Training Camp

    The training camp reporting timetable shall be the same as it was for the 2004-05 season, except that teams can require veteran players to report on the first day by 11:00 A.M. (local time) instead of 2:00 P.M. (local time).

    L. Draft Entry Age

    Beginning in 2006, the age limit for entering the Draft will increase from 18 to 19 years of age. U.S. players must be at least one year removed from high school and 19 years of age (by the end of that calendar year) before entering the draft. An international player must turn 19 during the calendar year of the draft.

    M. International Player Buyouts

    The limit on payments to international teams and players that will be excluded from Team Salary has been increased from $350,000 to $500,000.

    N. Moratorium Period

  • The moratorium period on free agent signings, etc. under the new CBA in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and (if the NBA exercises its option to extend the CBA) 2012, respectively, will be as follows:

    July 1, 2006 through July 11, 2006
    July 1, 2007 through July 10, 2007
    July 1, 2008 through July 8, 2008
    July 1, 2009 through July 7, 2009
    July 1, 2010 through July 7, 2010
    July 1, 2011 through July 7, 2011

    IV. Anti-Drug Program/Conduct Discipline

    A. Testing

    All players will be subject to four random drug tests each season (during the period from October 1 through June 30). These tests will be for both recreational drugs prohibited under the Anti-Drug Program and performance-enhancing drugs. (Under the prior CBA, rookies were subject to four random tests per season while veterans were subject to random testing only once and only during training camp.)

    B. Penalties

    The penalties for testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs will be increased from suspensions of 5, 10, and 25 games for the first, second and any subsequent violation, respectively, to 10 and 25 game suspensions for the first two violations, a one-year suspension for the third violation and disqualification from the league for a fourth violation. Penalties for testing positive for marijuana will be increased from a $15,000 fine for a second violation to a $25,000 fine and, for each subsequent violation, incremental 5 game suspensions. The first violation of the marijuana program will continue to result in the player being placed in a counseling program, with no financial penalties.

    The list of performance-enhancing drugs has been substantially broadened. Players will be tested for these new substances commencing with the 2006-07 season.

    C. Conduct/Discipline

  • A player’s failure to report for a trade has been deemed “conduct detrimental to the NBA,” which (in addition to any discipline imposed by the team) will subject the player to fines and suspensions by the Commissioner.
  • Suspensions by the Commissioner in excess of 12 games for on-court misconduct are subject to review by an independent arbitrator. For this purpose, “on court” generally includes anything that occurs anywhere in the arena during, before, or after a game.

    V. Miscellaneous

    A. Pension Increase

    The NBA has agreed to increase player pensions, subject to government approval.

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I mean, the deal isn't as bad

I mean, the deal isn't as bad as I have heard it will be, but still not the best.

But most of it applies to tax paying teams, so teams like the Lakers and Mavs will get the biggest hits.

I just hope they take it, or continue negotiating, but I really hope they don't decertify.

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And here's a power point with

And here's a power point with pretty colors for you guys who ain't got the patience to read text lol.

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I just hope the NBA players

I just hope the NBA players read it and understand it THEN make their decision. I'm sick of hearing these agents and other players have such an influence on guys decisions read it yourself then make up your mind, and if you dont agree with it fine.

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AND A POWERPOINT? Whoever

AND A POWERPOINT? Whoever leaked this is the man lol

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Watching the power point felt

Watching the power point felt like I was back in college again lol.

But I'd like you all to turn to 1:24 of the power point please... That roster breakdown looks just fine to me!!!

I've read, done my research, etc, but I'm not a genius at this. This doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. I guess I just can't find the negatives or downside to this. I know I'm missing something though. I'm waiting for BothTeamsPlayedHard to sign on and decode this lol.

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I agree IndianaBasketball, it

I agree IndianaBasketball, it doesn't sound like a bad deal.

Just finished reading the full text, and the players would be extremely foolish not to put this one to a vote and agree to this deal. It honestly seems like a very reasonable deal and solves some of the problems which have loomed in recent years; i.e. extend-and-trade situations.

I have a lot of sympathy for Stern right now, he's put together a very reasonable deal and still a number of players are pushing for decertification.

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Here's my question... IF the

Here's my question... IF the players are taking a 7% paycut, HOW in the world will the average player salary go up every year of the new CBA?

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Hmm

I'm guessing because the cap will be higher and the minimum pay roll will be 90% of the aforementioned cap up from 75% of a lower level cap in the past CBA

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BTPH is gonna tear this

BTPH is gonna tear this proposal apart. He's gonna bring up 22 different things unseen by the naked eye. Then again, he probably helped create the offer.

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The overal proposal is

The overal proposal is probably okay with the exceptions and stuff. I think contracts should be a little shorter. But the main reason for the players to get angry about this is it is a 50/50 split and, if projections aren't met (and I heard that the projects are 5% more income every year, which certainly isn't happenning this year), then it gets reduced for the players to 49/51 (yes, it can go up 1% if projections are exceeded, but with no new TV deal anytime soon, that seems unlikely).

So if the players think 5% year after year BRI gains are unlikely, then they are looking at most likely, going from 57/43 to 49/51.

I say they counter with 53/47 and accept all the rest. That would play well in the papers if the players counter was simple like that.

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Honestly looking at this

Honestly looking at this deal, if the players don't take this they are greedy. Same amont of money they will be making, it just makes it harder for bigger markets to spend blindly, so that smaller market teams can compete. There is nothing wrong with that. If you say you truly love the game, it shouldn't matter where you are playing.

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Not excusing the owners greed in this but....

the Players have been dead wrong from the start...The Reality is simple, The NBA and a majority of its franchises can't compete financially because of the Clear Monopolizing of Talent and rampant abuse of Salary Cap and Luxary Tax by laws, this new CBA aims to shatter that formula of Large Market Teams abusing these rules and should help create FAIR competition between Teams (In Free Agency/Trades and etc.)...Balance and parady are great for pro sports...as long as the players are protected long term(The Existence of a profitable NBA is a major part of any players future) they should not be concerned over how much of the split is...This deal won't be the end all be all of CBA's and can be redone in 10 years...This current system is Broken, and if the players truely Cared about the Sport they would be open to getting it fixed...There are a lot of great players that may never even sniff a ring in this current NBA landscape unless they join one of the big 5 franchises or create a Super Team 2 ala Miami(Which is what the Owners are trying to PREVENT) They want players like Chris Paul and Dwight Howard to compete for Championships with teams other than the Lakers or Knicks

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Well by looking at this

Well by looking at this proposal it seems pretty reasonable...the only thing that's a bit shady about the whole thing is that the players and owners still aren't treating each other with respect. Why do I say that? Because the proposal was leaked, one has to wonder why it was leaked and by whom. If it was leaked by someone on the owner side of the coin it may been done in order to pressure the players into signing a deal lest they come off as even greedier once the public knows what they've been offered. If it was leaked by someone from the unions side one has to wonder why as well.

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This CBA seems to want to

This CBA seems to want to normalize spending among all team, making 90% of payroll a minimum, and creating stiffer penalties for team sthat go over the cap, to the point where you could be paying virtually the equal to your teams salary to the luxury tax. You can see the heavy negotiating between the rich and poor teams in the contract, with a few rising salary promises to make the players somewhat happy. One sticking point I see with players is the mutual opt out necessary to change the deal in six years, where as if the owners are happy with it, theres nothing the players can do about it until 2021-2022. Its risky, but a deal for 50-50 should get it done. At least I hope it will....

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Wow They're even increasing the players pensions!!!

The NBA and It's owners should have released this offer earlier, let the fans and other people interested see how greedy and stubborn these players really are and have been...

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The players have given up

The players have given up over $3 billion dollars over the next ten years... Can you really call them greedy? I mean, to be honest, they've been in concessionary bargaining this whole time. They haven't asked for more money...

I can definitely see the union's concerns about player movement, etc. And then on top of that, the owners have a clause in the proposal that will allow them to take back every penny paid to the players above 50% via escrow.

One thing I will say is that the league has whooped the union's ass in the PR department lol. Leaked proposals, live twitter questioning/answering and youtube power point presentations lol. They've killed it via social media. They've really backed the players into a corner and if the players don't accept this deal, they'll be blamed by most fans.

I say the players need to take the deal. IF it's not working after six seasons, then opt out. And hopefully, they'll be allowed to break things down from scratch and renegotiate just like the owners did this time.

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I think this is a deal both

I think this is a deal both sides could both be mad about, yet feel OK with, IF the league makes a few more tweaks to the system issues.

I can see the union offering a slightly different counter proposal. NOBODY wants decertification and to lose the season. I mean, I think the owners could make a FEW more tweaks. Mainly to the MLE of taxpaying teams.

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How can one call the players

How can one call the players greedy? How would you like it if your boss came up to you and said, "I know you've been doing a good job.. but we're going to reduce your salary by 7%."

I'm sure I wouldn't like it either.

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There is a saying, "When you

There is a saying, "When you work for someone else, there is no such thing as being paid too much." I can't call the players greedy anymore than I think I'm greedy because I ask my employer to pay me.

Based - I know what you meant, but keep in mind that going from 57% to to 50% is really more like a 12% reduction than a 7% reduction (i.e., 50 divided by 57). I've had that happen to me at work (and it was more like a 15% paycut) but it wasn't in a year with record revenues for the company I worked in, it was after a year with terrible revenues. And my employer didn't have a national monopoly on my line of work, so I did have realistic other options in the U.S. (heck, even in the same building).

I still think the players should take the terms and just demand 53 / 47. Then you would get the benefit of some leveling of the playing field between small and large teams but the players would get closer to their old 57% share.

By the way, the other way to not have super teams like miami heat is to increase the max salary limitation. If teams could offer $30 million a year contracts, then you could never have more than two max contract guys on a team. That would keep the superstars spread around a little bit more.

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Doing away with sign and

Doing away with sign and trades for teams paying taxes could be seen as a way to stop top talent all going to a core of 5 or so teams but don't forget that Miami, Knicks both got under the cap to make their signings and if a player does move as an FA then without an S and T the former team may get nothing back at all and teams after players may try to exploit it before the ban comes in.

Personally I've never been a great fan of S and T's so if tax paying teams cannot do them then that is perhaps a good thing.

The newest offer to the players could be the best that they might get IMO.

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