NBADraft.net Mock: Name 3 Too High and 3 Too Low
I just checked the latest mock on this site, and as usual, I see a couple of guys whom I think are ranked too high and some too low. Why don't you name:
* 3 guys you think are ranked too high
* 3 guys you think are ranked too low
Please tell us
1. Why you disagree with the NBADraft.net mock and
2. Where you think the 3 players should be rated.
3 too high-Patterson, George, Hayward
3 too low-Aldrich, Udoh, Whiteside
Another one too low is Henry, he should 12th to MEM
Patrick Patterson at 6
I would just prefer a guy like monroe over patterson... i think patterson will be good but not great. I see him being a little later in the lottery
Gordon Hayward at 10
Again I don't think you can take Hayward when George and Henry are on the board. both of those guys actually made 3s last year. I'd have hayward around 15-20
Daniel Orton at 18
The kid isn't even that big, and barely showed anything last year. When he was on the court he didn't stand out at all. I'd much rather have a guy who was productive like larry sanders, or a guy who's a true mammoth like Alabi
damion james at 28.
this many playoff teams cant pass on a guy who rebounds, plays D, and has an nba body. i think 12-18 is more like it
lance stephenson at 34
killer instinct and i really think his attitude has improved. he's another guy whod be valuable to a playoff team.
trevor booker at 37
has good length and motor and he was productive in college... perfect for playoff team
I think patterson will go higher than most people expect. The guy isnt going to be a star but he is a winner. He is a piece that all championship teams want.
I think Udoh, Bledsoe, and Stanley Robinson should go much higher than they currently are.
Bledsoe is the second best PG in this draft and Stanley Robinson is so underrated its not even funny
I do not think Gordon Hayword is a top 10 player in this draft. He is a good solid player but not top 10. I dont think there is many people too high in the draft. This draft is so deep full of solid role players its going to be hard to not get a good player in the first round
Harangody  - solid role player, should be valuable coming off the bench. He's one of my favorites so I admit I'm biased. However, I still can't believe there are more than 30 guys in the draft better than him.
Udoh  Guys who block shots consistently are hard to find. He's a guy who can change your defense overnight. There are a lot of teams with no shot blocking presence [hint: Knicks, but they don't have a selection. Maybe they'll buy one?]
Vasquez  My first round shocker. I don't know what it is about this guy but he's a PG who makes his team better in so many ways. Everyone underrates him because they say he's slow and lacks lateral quickness. But despite those shortcomings, he's incredible on the offensive end of the court. And he wouldn't be the first NBA PG who didn't excel on defense.
Babbitt  I think he's overrated but he could become a decent player. Hopefully I'm wrong about him.
Patterson  He's another guy who will be a solid role player and possibly a starter on the right team. But I don't see him as a lottery choice.
Hayward  I like him a lot but I think he's very young and 2-3 years away from reaching his potential. If he stayed in school one more year, he would probably be a lottery selection next year.
#8- Aminu...Seriously, I don't see what people see in this guy that makes him a better prospect than guys like Paul George,Terrico White, Elliot Williams, Xavier Henry,and Lance Stephenson....He is a knucklehead who thinks he is great already and he is one of the rawest guys in the draft...
#6-Partick Patterson...Not a top 6 talent, simple as that, and there are easily 20 prospects with higher potential in this draft
#18- Daniel Orton...He has not proven that he should even be a first round pick, he is pure hype, undeserved at that.
#16- Ekpe Udoh...He has great tools, developing skills, a motor and athleticism. Should be a top ten pick
#22- Elliot Williams...At 22 he would be a steal...He is an NBA type player, all he has to do is get his skill level up to par with his physicals
#11- Paul Geoge...He will be a top 3 player out this draft in a few years so at #11 that is also a steal
I agree with xbadgerhustler's list completely, so it would be a waste of my life to post the same exact thing.
Mikenike, how is Al-Farouq Aminu a knucklehead? Just curious as to how you came to that conclusion.
Check his twitter and his interviews, that should give you a good explaination
Mr. 6000, you already know that I love your daily analysis of 2 players at a time, but I haven't been following all of them as closely as I should. Did you review Vasquez and Harangody yet? Where do you project them going and why?
Here are my players to high in the mock draft.
Gordon Hayward- He is going 10th here on the site. I hope the Pacers choose another route. I feel Hayward is going to be great spark off the bench or marginal starter, not what you want with 10th pick. In my mock he is going 19th to the Celtics.
Patrick Patterson- I think Patterson will be good pro, but not worthy of te 6th pick. I have him going 12th to the Grizzlies.
Ed Davis- Here on the site they have him going 9th, but I dont see him breaking top ten i think hes better off in the 12-16 range. He will need a few years still. In my draft he is going 13th to Toronto.
3 too low.
Lance Stephenson- Here they have him going 34th. There is no way he lasts til the 2nd round. he could be very good fit fora team like the hawks.
I have him going 24th to hawks.
James Anderson- Here they have Anderson going 19th and I would love the Celics to get him. I highly doubt he falls that far, I dont think he falls past 17th to the bulls. I have him going 17th to the bulls.
Grievis Vazquez- The site has him going 42th. I dont see him lasting past teams such as Indiana, Sactamento, or Detroit. I have him going 36th too the pistons and i really thought about moving him higher up.
just a minor thing here, but i really dont see the pistons having much interest in vazquez. Stuckey, though a tweener, has been completely solid and the pistons are very confident in him, plus will bynum off the bench! did you know that he holds pistons scoring records over isiah thomas for points in fourth quarter! aka crunch time! they dont need a point guard. he wont be better than stuckey prbly ever, and for their needs, hes not better than bynum for instant energy and offense. i just dont see them biting
I have Vazquez as my 37th prospect and Harangody as my 51th.
Vazquez is actually the 2nd best PG in the draft as of now IMO. He's the 2nd most ready to play right off the bat at least. Not more than a backup/change-of-pace PG off the bench though if he goes to a good team like Orlando (who should look to pick him at 29 if possible). Could be a solid starter depending on what system he goes to, places like Orlando and New York would be ideal, but if he goes to Indiana he could see alot of time as well. Even though he wouldn't really be a true starter in that system
I think Harangody's production is what makes him a prospect. I could see him being like DeJuan Blair, but Blair has the length to play bigger while Gody doesn't. Still, he has shown he can find ways to score and bangs/hustles so he'd be a good pick and potential steal if he went to a playoff team in the late 2nd like the Mavs.
too high is patterson, davis, george
they shud all be mid to late teen picks
to low is x henry, gani lawal, and lance stephenson
x shud be top 10 while the other too shud be mid 20s- tey all have nba ready bodys
Aminu's twitter is no worse than Lou Williams', DeMar Derozan's or Jason Thompson's lol....His twitter is not exactly a red flag at all
Patterson - I see him anywhere from 9-15
Gordon Hayward - Dont really like him much, i odnt think he's anything special except for
maybe a role player i think he's anywhere from 15-25
Luke Babbitt - Haven't seen much of him, same range as Hayward
Ekpe Udoh - Should Be Lottery
Mikhail Torrance - i see him 30-45
Da'Sean Butler - They have him undrafted, i think some team like the spurs or lakers would draft him
Butler i think is worthy of a late 2nd round pick by someone like lakers or suns for sure.
Orton isn't that big, but he's definitely not small. He has a big/wide body. He's basically the same size as Kendrick Perkins. He's 6' 10" with shoes and has a 7' 4.25" wingspan. He'll need to tighten his body up and add some more muscle, but he'll have no problems defending centers in the NBA.
if orton turns out like perkins some team will be happy if they picked him in the 15-20 range.
I agree with xbadgerhustler
One thing I want to add is that some team will probably take Dexter Pittman before 59, a huge 6-10 centre is rare, if he copes with his brothers death (RIP) he could be a back up centre on some teams (he can't play for long because of poor conditioning, but he can bring in some low-post offense/defense for 10-15 minutes per game)
Ed Davis.....what has he really proven? He was a back up the championship year and was injured most of last season...he just hasnt done enough to me for him to warrant being picked in the lottery....
Gordon Hayward - Yes, he led Butler to the NCAA Champ. Game....but he did struggle some this past season, even with winning POY in the Horizon....he may not be quick enough to guard 2/3s at the next level....I think he will be a better player in the JJ Redick mold....the Playoff version.
Cole Aldrich - His numbers at the combine concern me...I think he should be a PF in the league but his length makes him a center.....he's a backup or 3rd off the bench at best.
Eric Bledsoe - People seem to forget that he was a PG in HS...and the fact that Wall was starting PG @ UK didnt help his cause......he was put in to the SG by necessity.....he was too good NOT to have on the floor this past season....
Dominique Jones - Will be an absolute stud if given the chance......he will score in the league....I see him like a Jamal Crawford type......at some point he wil start for a team and I see him avg. 18+ PPG before long.
Art Parakhouski - Playing @ Radford was his downfall but you cant ignore his production.....he will get a chance to latch on as a back up center somewhere...
This has been pretty interesting so far. From my perspective there appears to be a lot of agreement on the following:
1. Udoh is rated too low.
2. Hayward and Patterson are rated too high.
3. There seems to be an even split on Al-Farouq Aminu.
4. Some people think Da'Sean Butler could be a steal.
What did I miss?
-Patterson....pacers at best.
-Hayward....no way he's a top 10 talent nor a team need(give him to the spurs).
-Babbit...not a lotto pick in my opinion but should be fine(bucks at best).
Bonus...Wesley Johnson at 4, 23 YO.
-Udoh, 23 YO too but see him higher since months.
-Damion James, put him with his buddy KD at 21 since months too, could be a decent role player for teams before 28...
-Willie Warren, projected lotto pick, top 10 last year, suffered griffin departure, still see him as a 1st rounder(22 at best-30 at worst).
2 Guys i think that are rated too high are
1.Wesley Johnson..He gets most of his points in transition and from being an above average shooter..But struggles to create his own shot..He hasn't shown a post game or the ability to put the ball on the floor to beat his opponent for an easy basket..Depended too much on his supreme athleticism to dominate opponents..He Did the best thing for himself by coming out after being name an All-American this year..If he'd returned his limitations would've shown and his draft stock would've plummeted....Should be drafted in the 8 to 15 range
2.Ekpe Udoh..Great athlete..Has a nice touch out to 15 feet...Lacks strength..He's a poor defensive rebounder..Almost every big man & some small forwards that are projected to go in the 1st round out rebounded him defensively...Can a team in the lottery afford to draft a 6'10 guy that can't rebound and will be pushed around on the defensive end? Should be a late 1st round pick...
1.Damion James..Great athlete, has a nice mid-range jumper..Great rebounder..Plays alot like Shawn Marion...
2.Jerome Jordan..Has a nice touch for a big man..Does a good job of posting up...Should be rated in the 18 to 25 range...
3.Tiny Gallon..Has a variety of moves..Extremely strong..Should be ranked in the 25 to 30 range
Avery Bradley at 17 - I like him, but he's a classic tweener; a pure SG in an NBA PGs body.
Daniel Orton at 18 - he just hasn't shown much yet
Patrick Paterson at 6 - I love him but he's probably close to his ceiling, should go 10-12
Xavier Henry at 14 - Has an NBA body and skills at only 19; a guaranteed starting SG IMO, I'd pick him 10th
DeMarcus Cousins at 5 - He's high risk, but has the potential to be the most dominating player in the draft, 2-4
Jordan Crawford at 38 - I hope he falls this far to the Knicks
yea, i thought he was going to be a mammoth though.... he looked bigger than that in college, i thought. i don't think his size will make it a problem defending centers, but i think, in general, he kind of sucks. it's not the kind of thing where i'm questioning whether he has it physically (although he is kinda fat) but I just don't think he's big enough where it's like WHOA we can't find anyone like him because he just has freakish size. I feel like alabi is a better physical specimen
Daniel Orton=Erick Dampier
Daniel Orton- Hasn't showed a thing and on top of that didn't really measure out to be that big.
Avery Bradley- Sure he was rated high coming out of highschool but in the NBA he's still 6'2 and not a true PG, that doesn't translate to well if at all.
Hassan Whiteside- Soft as cake, he will fold and plus I think he has some issues, red flags as well that will hold him back from reaching his potential....BUST
Eric Bledsoe- Has all the physical tools needed to play in the NBA, and people forget he averaged 11 assist in HS, he is a PG and playing the 2 might hvae been a good thing for him at Kentucky for the simple fact he proved that he can shoot the ball.
Jordan Crawford- Dude is a big big time scorer, may be a tad undersized but he's so creative and has a good amount of athletic ability, the NBA game is gonna fit him really well.
Damion James- He's gotta be the most or one of the most NBA ready prospects, played all 4 years, has the NBA body and we know what he can do on the floor, what more can you ask for?