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- Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:39pm #23597
Ghost01ParticipantLike QBs in Football, it seems like in the NBA every one whose anyone has a good Point Guard Now. Heres the Breakdown:
The Two Top Dawgs:
1a. Deron Willaims
1b. CP3
Unquestionably, they have both been around for 5+ seasons now and dominate every aspect of the PG position.
The Newcomers on the rise
3a Derrick Rose
3b Rajon Rondo
3c Russ Westbrook
Each doing it there own way, these 3 all busted on the season as stars in the 08-09 season, and now they are all top 5 PGs in the NBA.
Over the Hill, but still effective
6. Steve Nash
He still scores and assists at a high rate. Has never been a good defender but showed last year in the postseason he’s still got it.
Underrated Veteran
7. Tony Parker
This guy still has it, he may not have Eva anymore but he still gets it done and has the Spurs as the best team in the NBA to this point.
Too young to be any higher
8a. Brandon Jennings
8b. Steph Curry
8c. John Wall
Jennings is inconsistant, but can still light up any scoreboard and catch fire unlike any PG in the league (cite his last 3 games) he is an underrated defender too as Milwaukee is an elite defensive team. Curry is an absolute scorer, just needs to take more of passive ballhandling role before hes any higher. Wall will get there but is still too turnover prown and needs to work on his jumper.
The 2nd half of the top 20:
11. Jason kidd
12. Devin Harris
13. Andre Miller
14. Raymond Felton
15. Jameer Nelson
16a. Chauncey Billups
16b. Ty Lawson
18. Jrue Holiday
19. Mike Conley
20. Jose Calderon
I did not include Tyreke Evans. This guy is a scorer. I have no idea why Sac town thinks hes a PG. Hes an okay passer for a 2 guard but hes is NOT a PG.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:48pm #447796
cabbycabParticipantWestfall already said that he does not consider Evans a PG. He said it is irrelevant what he is considered because he produces offensively and can guard both guard spots.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:48pm #447800
cabbycabParticipantWestfall already said that he does not consider Evans a PG. He said it is irrelevant what he is considered because he produces offensively and can guard both guard spots.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:48pm #447813
cabbycabParticipantWestfall already said that he does not consider Evans a PG. He said it is irrelevant what he is considered because he produces offensively and can guard both guard spots.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:11pm #447820
RickyRubio9ParticipantAaron Brooks can’t get no love?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:11pm #447824
RickyRubio9ParticipantAaron Brooks can’t get no love?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:11pm #447835
RickyRubio9ParticipantAaron Brooks can’t get no love?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:22pm #447842
stanford hoopsi agree with that list with rose and westbrook and rondo nipping at CP3 and Dwill’s heels
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:22pm #447846
stanford hoopsi agree with that list with rose and westbrook and rondo nipping at CP3 and Dwill’s heels
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:22pm #447856
stanford hoopsi agree with that list with rose and westbrook and rondo nipping at CP3 and Dwill’s heels
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:25pm #447858
Ghost01ParticipantProbably deserves to be in here. My other omission is Darren Collison, who i would surely take over the last 3 games.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:25pm #447860
Ghost01ParticipantProbably deserves to be in here. My other omission is Darren Collison, who i would surely take over the last 3 games.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:25pm #447871
Ghost01ParticipantProbably deserves to be in here. My other omission is Darren Collison, who i would surely take over the last 3 games.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:33pm #447863
rhofernParticipantAndre Miller ahead of Raymond Felton??????? as of your list felton should be placed in between nash and parker. he is a beast this year and is on the way to leading the knicks to the playoffs. I know parker’s spurs have the best record but he has more talent around him and george hill taking his minutes. His numbers also dont compare to feltons. and really andre miller? tell me how hes better than felton? and im not a biased knick fan
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:33pm #447866
rhofernParticipantAndre Miller ahead of Raymond Felton??????? as of your list felton should be placed in between nash and parker. he is a beast this year and is on the way to leading the knicks to the playoffs. I know parker’s spurs have the best record but he has more talent around him and george hill taking his minutes. His numbers also dont compare to feltons. and really andre miller? tell me how hes better than felton? and im not a biased knick fan
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:33pm #447875
rhofernParticipantAndre Miller ahead of Raymond Felton??????? as of your list felton should be placed in between nash and parker. he is a beast this year and is on the way to leading the knicks to the playoffs. I know parker’s spurs have the best record but he has more talent around him and george hill taking his minutes. His numbers also dont compare to feltons. and really andre miller? tell me how hes better than felton? and im not a biased knick fan
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:35pm #447870
iguapops420ParticipantJason Kidd should be over the hill but still effective. the guy is still a walking triple double nightmare. he may not put up the high scoring numbers of a steve nash but he puts up nearly the same ast numbers while stuffing the stat sheet. knockdown spot up shooter, terrific rebounder, still one of the most aware 2-way guards, and can still make the ball glow like no other. AT 38 YEARS OLD!!!
Also agreed where is the aaron brooks love. calderon but no brooks. Jose is a good steady pg, but hes no starter. great change of pace guard, but he cant cause apposing teams problems the way brooks can. gotta think lawson shouldnt be on this list if brooks, collison, augustin or even toney douglas.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:35pm #447872
iguapops420ParticipantJason Kidd should be over the hill but still effective. the guy is still a walking triple double nightmare. he may not put up the high scoring numbers of a steve nash but he puts up nearly the same ast numbers while stuffing the stat sheet. knockdown spot up shooter, terrific rebounder, still one of the most aware 2-way guards, and can still make the ball glow like no other. AT 38 YEARS OLD!!!
Also agreed where is the aaron brooks love. calderon but no brooks. Jose is a good steady pg, but hes no starter. great change of pace guard, but he cant cause apposing teams problems the way brooks can. gotta think lawson shouldnt be on this list if brooks, collison, augustin or even toney douglas.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:35pm #447881
iguapops420ParticipantJason Kidd should be over the hill but still effective. the guy is still a walking triple double nightmare. he may not put up the high scoring numbers of a steve nash but he puts up nearly the same ast numbers while stuffing the stat sheet. knockdown spot up shooter, terrific rebounder, still one of the most aware 2-way guards, and can still make the ball glow like no other. AT 38 YEARS OLD!!!
Also agreed where is the aaron brooks love. calderon but no brooks. Jose is a good steady pg, but hes no starter. great change of pace guard, but he cant cause apposing teams problems the way brooks can. gotta think lawson shouldnt be on this list if brooks, collison, augustin or even toney douglas.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:37pm #447876
stanford hoopsRaymond felton is not on tony parkers level come on now. felton is playing well is a run and gun style offense and deserves credit for what hes doing but he is not as good as parker or nash and im willing to bet the knicks would trade felton for parker and even the older nash in a heart beat
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:37pm #447878
stanford hoopsRaymond felton is not on tony parkers level come on now. felton is playing well is a run and gun style offense and deserves credit for what hes doing but he is not as good as parker or nash and im willing to bet the knicks would trade felton for parker and even the older nash in a heart beat
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:37pm #447888
stanford hoopsRaymond felton is not on tony parkers level come on now. felton is playing well is a run and gun style offense and deserves credit for what hes doing but he is not as good as parker or nash and im willing to bet the knicks would trade felton for parker and even the older nash in a heart beat
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:37pm #447879
iguapops420Participant^^^dig the felton hype. will never live up to cp3 or dwill, but hes doing his best to prove he belongs.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:37pm #447882
iguapops420Participant^^^dig the felton hype. will never live up to cp3 or dwill, but hes doing his best to prove he belongs.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:37pm #447891
iguapops420Participant^^^dig the felton hype. will never live up to cp3 or dwill, but hes doing his best to prove he belongs.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:55pm #447924
rhofernParticipantobviously the knicks would take nash but idk bout parker right now felton will never be at cp3s level but he should be in all star consideration. But how is parker much much better than felton? He isnt a better 3 point shooter as felton has improved dramitacally on his threes. parker is scoring less and is dishing less. he gets less steals. not a major difference in chemistry and meshing with the team. parker is faster and a little more efficient. yet feltons true shooting % is higher as well as a higher assist ratio. with a similar per and although the spurs record is better. tell me how parker is the better point guard???
And dont forget about andre miller. how is andre miller better than raymond felton?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:55pm #447928
rhofernParticipantobviously the knicks would take nash but idk bout parker right now felton will never be at cp3s level but he should be in all star consideration. But how is parker much much better than felton? He isnt a better 3 point shooter as felton has improved dramitacally on his threes. parker is scoring less and is dishing less. he gets less steals. not a major difference in chemistry and meshing with the team. parker is faster and a little more efficient. yet feltons true shooting % is higher as well as a higher assist ratio. with a similar per and although the spurs record is better. tell me how parker is the better point guard???
And dont forget about andre miller. how is andre miller better than raymond felton?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:55pm #447935
rhofernParticipantobviously the knicks would take nash but idk bout parker right now felton will never be at cp3s level but he should be in all star consideration. But how is parker much much better than felton? He isnt a better 3 point shooter as felton has improved dramitacally on his threes. parker is scoring less and is dishing less. he gets less steals. not a major difference in chemistry and meshing with the team. parker is faster and a little more efficient. yet feltons true shooting % is higher as well as a higher assist ratio. with a similar per and although the spurs record is better. tell me how parker is the better point guard???
And dont forget about andre miller. how is andre miller better than raymond felton?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:59pm #447936
stanford hoopswhy wouldnt they take parker over felton?..i wonder what parker would do in a offensive team like the knicks without sharing with ginobli hmmm. Felton is not on parkers level
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:59pm #447940
stanford hoopswhy wouldnt they take parker over felton?..i wonder what parker would do in a offensive team like the knicks without sharing with ginobli hmmm. Felton is not on parkers level
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:59pm #447947
stanford hoopswhy wouldnt they take parker over felton?..i wonder what parker would do in a offensive team like the knicks without sharing with ginobli hmmm. Felton is not on parkers level
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:09pm #447951
mbunner23ParticipantIt looks good. But I think Billups should be higher. I know that he is getting older but he still a very good point guard.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:09pm #447955
mbunner23ParticipantIt looks good. But I think Billups should be higher. I know that he is getting older but he still a very good point guard.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:09pm #447962
mbunner23ParticipantIt looks good. But I think Billups should be higher. I know that he is getting older but he still a very good point guard.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:11pm #447957
Ghost01ParticipantChris Duhon was effective in that Knick offense. Felton has always been mediocre at best, no different now.
Kidd is steady even at an old age. However, putting him in the top 10 at this point is a joke. Hes not an offensive threat to score and a liability on defense.
Ive addressed Brooks already so some of you need to read more than the OP before you write 3 paragraphs about a mediocre PG.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:11pm #447961
Ghost01ParticipantChris Duhon was effective in that Knick offense. Felton has always been mediocre at best, no different now.
Kidd is steady even at an old age. However, putting him in the top 10 at this point is a joke. Hes not an offensive threat to score and a liability on defense.
Ive addressed Brooks already so some of you need to read more than the OP before you write 3 paragraphs about a mediocre PG.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:11pm #447969
Ghost01ParticipantChris Duhon was effective in that Knick offense. Felton has always been mediocre at best, no different now.
Kidd is steady even at an old age. However, putting him in the top 10 at this point is a joke. Hes not an offensive threat to score and a liability on defense.
Ive addressed Brooks already so some of you need to read more than the OP before you write 3 paragraphs about a mediocre PG.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:19pm #447971
Ghost01ParticipantHave you watched Billups ball this year? He has fallen off. Next year i dont even expect him to be a starter in the NBA. He cant do anything right and has never been a good creator from the beginning.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:19pm #447976
Ghost01ParticipantHave you watched Billups ball this year? He has fallen off. Next year i dont even expect him to be a starter in the NBA. He cant do anything right and has never been a good creator from the beginning.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:19pm #447984
Ghost01ParticipantHave you watched Billups ball this year? He has fallen off. Next year i dont even expect him to be a starter in the NBA. He cant do anything right and has never been a good creator from the beginning.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:21pm #447977
rhofernParticipantchris duhon was the worst player in the league in new york averaging under 40 fg% and 30 3pt%. everyone in new york wanted him gone. look at feltons numbers and regardless of the system he plays in and tell me he hasnt improved. no one can say that he is playing at an all star level. and if i agreed with everything ure saying i still wudnt put andre miller ahead of felton
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:21pm #447982
rhofernParticipantchris duhon was the worst player in the league in new york averaging under 40 fg% and 30 3pt%. everyone in new york wanted him gone. look at feltons numbers and regardless of the system he plays in and tell me he hasnt improved. no one can say that he is playing at an all star level. and if i agreed with everything ure saying i still wudnt put andre miller ahead of felton
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:21pm #447989
rhofernParticipantchris duhon was the worst player in the league in new york averaging under 40 fg% and 30 3pt%. everyone in new york wanted him gone. look at feltons numbers and regardless of the system he plays in and tell me he hasnt improved. no one can say that he is playing at an all star level. and if i agreed with everything ure saying i still wudnt put andre miller ahead of felton
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:24pm #447980
JJeff6ParticipantI honestly think that derrick rose deserves to be ranked 1c instead of 3a. I have him right up there with paul and williams. Rose is averaging 26.6 points a game(should lower a little when boozer gets into the offense) and is good for more than 8 assists (this stat shud rise when boozer comes back). I honestly think that the top scoring point in the nba shud be considered a 1st option.
Billups needs more love, hes probably at least 14 or 13th best option.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:24pm #447985
JJeff6ParticipantI honestly think that derrick rose deserves to be ranked 1c instead of 3a. I have him right up there with paul and williams. Rose is averaging 26.6 points a game(should lower a little when boozer gets into the offense) and is good for more than 8 assists (this stat shud rise when boozer comes back). I honestly think that the top scoring point in the nba shud be considered a 1st option.
Billups needs more love, hes probably at least 14 or 13th best option.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:24pm #447993
JJeff6ParticipantI honestly think that derrick rose deserves to be ranked 1c instead of 3a. I have him right up there with paul and williams. Rose is averaging 26.6 points a game(should lower a little when boozer gets into the offense) and is good for more than 8 assists (this stat shud rise when boozer comes back). I honestly think that the top scoring point in the nba shud be considered a 1st option.
Billups needs more love, hes probably at least 14 or 13th best option.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:26pm #448000
Ghost01ParticipantIn My opinion, Rose is up there. But stupid people would call me "bias" and "lieing" to do that. I have watched all his game this year, i agree with you, he is that good.
As far as Felton goes, im not going to argue some guy 12th or 11th. I dont care. I should have put him a spot higher, happy?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:26pm #448008
Ghost01ParticipantIn My opinion, Rose is up there. But stupid people would call me "bias" and "lieing" to do that. I have watched all his game this year, i agree with you, he is that good.
As far as Felton goes, im not going to argue some guy 12th or 11th. I dont care. I should have put him a spot higher, happy?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:26pm #447995
Ghost01ParticipantIn My opinion, Rose is up there. But stupid people would call me "bias" and "lieing" to do that. I have watched all his game this year, i agree with you, he is that good.
As far as Felton goes, im not going to argue some guy 12th or 11th. I dont care. I should have put him a spot higher, happy?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:49pm #448023
IndianaBasketballParticipantTy Lawson doesn’t even start… How’s he ranked higher than Darren Collison?
I’d take Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and John Wall over Jason Kidd heading forward, but are they really better point guards than Kidd is right now?
I think Devin Harris is still a top ten point guard when healthy.
I think Jameer Nelson proved during the playoffs last season who’s better between he and Raymond Felton.
And Aaron Brooks is better than Jose Calderon. Before Jarett Jack was traded, Calderon wasn’t even the best point guard on his team.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:49pm #448028
IndianaBasketballParticipantTy Lawson doesn’t even start… How’s he ranked higher than Darren Collison?
I’d take Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and John Wall over Jason Kidd heading forward, but are they really better point guards than Kidd is right now?
I think Devin Harris is still a top ten point guard when healthy.
I think Jameer Nelson proved during the playoffs last season who’s better between he and Raymond Felton.
And Aaron Brooks is better than Jose Calderon. Before Jarett Jack was traded, Calderon wasn’t even the best point guard on his team.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:49pm #448034
IndianaBasketballParticipantTy Lawson doesn’t even start… How’s he ranked higher than Darren Collison?
I’d take Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and John Wall over Jason Kidd heading forward, but are they really better point guards than Kidd is right now?
I think Devin Harris is still a top ten point guard when healthy.
I think Jameer Nelson proved during the playoffs last season who’s better between he and Raymond Felton.
And Aaron Brooks is better than Jose Calderon. Before Jarett Jack was traded, Calderon wasn’t even the best point guard on his team.
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