[JSakes22Participant]

NEW YORK — Union president Derek Fisher says his orders from NBA players are clear: No deal.

The league proposed that players receive between 49 percent and 51 percent of basketball-related income, though players argue it would be nearly impossible to get above 50.2 percent.

Players have until Wednesday afternoon to take the deal. If not, the next offer is expected to call for rolling back players’ salaries, a 53-47 revenue split in the owners’ favor and essentially a hard salary cap.

Union executive director Billy Hunter says that as much as players want to play basketball, they’re still of the mind-set they don’t want to accept a bad deal.

Hunter says the players want to negotiate, adding that he will reach out to commissioner David Stern later Tuesday or Wednesday to see if they would be willing to return to the table.

 

Well, I don’t know what to say, but it doesn’t look good. The Union will most likely decertify and a season would be highly unlikely. The thing is, it can take up to three months for the Union to complete decertification or something like that so that will give both sides time to settle down and get a deal done. Very sad story though. Thoughts?

[WinterSoldierParticipant]

 It’s not like NBA players are fucking accountants(there fucking millionares for playing a game they love) it’s obvious they should take the deal so there can still be a season.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

The owners are so greedy it’s ridiculous.  Now, since the players didn’t accept the last offer the owners will drop the player’s share down to 47%??  I guess the owners don’t realize their business is only as successful as it has been b/c OF THE PLAYERS.  Fans don’t pay all that money for tickets, 25 bucks for parking, 8 dollars for a beer to go sit and watch the owners.  It’s the players that make the league even possible, without the players what do the owners have?  It’s somewhat disturbing that the owners are so nieve.  Maybe they don’t realize that NBA players are already jumping ship to go play overseas.  The sh!ttier the deals the owners present to the players, the less likely they’ll accept.  I assume most of the current NBA players will go play overseas.  In my opinion, it’s a really poor business strategy the owners are employing.  Like I said earlier, do they not realize it’s the players that make the league what it is?  Owners need to stop being the stubborn, greedy @ssholes they are acting like, or else they may f*ck the future of the NBA up really bad.

[river09Participant]

 The owners are greedy? They OWN the teams. They pay players their contracts in order to make money. If players weren’t happy with their compensation they shouldn’t sign for it. I think the weight of this solely should fall on the players. If anything I almost feel the owners should rightfully be able to sue the players for not showing up to work…. I dunno about any of you but if I told my boss that I wasn’t coming to work the next day because i wasn’t happy with my hourly wage a month after I had agreed to get paid said wage for the next 5 years….. I’m pretty positive I’d be fired. 

 

[PyronParticipant]

 @uncle buckshot.. its easy to say that without fully knowning the situation. why do you think this stupid lockout is going on for so long? how do you know its not really the players who are being greedy? what are the real reasons why most owners want to make more? so many questions and we have no answers.. we can only wait and see

 

either way i’m just waiting for a resolution to this crap.. knowing that opening day would have been the bulls vs mavs already made the start of nov a bad one for me LOL!

[river09Participant]

 AND I definitely wouldn’t be hired back afterward… 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@river09

So, let me get this straight. You want the owners to sue the players for not showing up to work, when it was the OWNERS who locked them out???

You need to learn the difference between a strike and a lockout.

[Scottoant93Participant]

I dunno about any of you but if I told my boss that I wasn’t coming to work the next day because i wasn’t happy with my hourly wage a month after I had agreed to get paid said wage for the next 5 years….. I’m pretty positive I’d be fired.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don’t think i could have said it better myself, owners sueing is stupid though that would and should never happen.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Here’s the problem though… The players didn’t tell the league they weren’t happy with their wage. The owners told them to take a 10-20% paycut and then LOCKED them out.

You can have your own opinions and side with whoever you want, but know the facts lol.

[river09Participant]

 @indianabasketball

Maybe I was a little harsh but I’m sick of the entire blame being put on the owners at this point. The players are under contract so I don’t see how they possibly have leverage to demand more of a bite at the apple… 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

"The owners are greedy? They OWN the teams. They pay players their contracts in order to make money. If players weren’t happy with their compensation they shouldn’t sign for it. I think the weight of this solely should fall on the players. If anything I almost feel the owners should rightfully be able to sue the players for not showing up to work…. I dunno about any of you but if I told my boss that I wasn’t coming to work the next day because i wasn’t happy with my hourly wage a month after I had agreed to get paid said wage for the next 5 years….. I’m pretty positive I’d be fired."

 

 

It sounds like you know nothing about labor unions…maybe you should go read up on unions and educate yourself. 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Maybe I was a little harsh but I’m sick of the entire blame being put on the owners at this point. The players are under contract so I don’t see how they possibly have leverage to demand more of a bite at the apple…

 

Like I said before, it’s the players that make the league what it is.  The United States isn’t the only country that offers professional basketball.  If the players want to secure a future for themselves playing basketball, they can still go play professionally in other countries and make a great living.  That’s why the players have leverage.  The NBA isn’t like other businesses.  If an accountant for GM demanded a raise or else they would quit, and the owner didn’t feel it was necessary, what would the owner do?  They would fire that accountant and hire another one.  How is that different from the NBA?  Because there are millions of other accountants that can do the same job the previous accountant did.  NBA players aren’t replaceable, unless you think bum @ss players can generate the same revenue and play at the same level as stars like Lebron, Kobe, Durant, D-Rose can generate.  It’s pretty simple.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The players haven’t demanded more of anything though… That’s what you’re not seeming to understand.

It’s been the owners taking and taking, and the players trying to resist as much as possible. The players are who have made all of the successions.

Even now, they’re still making concessions. They’re open to dropping to 50% (all of the way down from 57%) IF the owners let up on some of the system changes they’re requesting.

I think there’s equal blame to go around. There’s really no point at pointing the finger, because when you do, there’s one pointing right back at you. I do think the owners are trying to strong arm the players though. Regardless, I just want to see basketball and a better overall product on the floor. Whatever it takes to get that done, I’m all for it.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

"The players are who have made all of the successions."

I meant concessions NOT successions.

 

[ghrghrParticipant]

What I don’t like about the players positions is that they don’t want to lose the exceptions. They don’t want higher luxury tax. They want to be able to go to whatever team they wanto to and to form superteams and I think that should be the last thing on their minds.

I would love a hard cap. It would balance the league and make it much more competitive. People say owners are stupid for overpaying crappy players, but the truth is that if you don’t overpay the lakers will sign the guy with some miracle exception that allows them to be tens of millions over the cap.

[Soulrebel15Participant]

Personally I don’t think most of the owners truly care about wins and losses. Greenbacks on the other hand is a whole other story, Donald Sterling and owners of his elk care about how much money they can stuff in their pockets, than truly running a successful and winning franchise. The Clippers will never blossom with that guy as its owner, I want to see if Dan Gilbert will spend cash on this young team if the are ever in contention. Paul Allen throws money overpays and ask questions later, say what you want about James Dolan but at least he spends money, I love the way OKC build and maintained the team, when was the last time Minny had a winning ball club, who take three pg’s in the first round?

I totally agree with IndianaBasketball, all you read about is how much concessions the players are making, yet the owners are not willing to to budge on the BRI split. The players have given more than a pound of flesh yet the owners still want more. I truly believe the deal the owners are truly offering is the rollback deal. But they want to give an appearance to the fans that they are truly trying to cut a deal.

If the owners feel like the have the players over a barrel now, then what will they demand in the next CBA? 50/50 may be a fair deal to some, but its not to me. I feel like the players should not cave and just can’t take any old deal, the players may not get all what, but If the BRI split is that important to them, then stand your ground.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

 same old story… tsk

[mamadouParticipant]

Come on, who would be happy to lose 12,3% of his revenues ?

Hard to swallow…u can’t blame them if they try to lose "ONLY" 10% of what they had.

The owners will get more than they declare losing( and that’s a false amount all days).

Stop bullshittin’ with the hornets too, that’s ridiculous.

[EntropyParticipant]

The BRI is not the problem the system issues are. It is hard imaging that the season will not go ahead becuase of a couple of system issues.

[boxn1Participant]

If you call ur self a fan of pro ball I ask u to do ur research. Competitive balance has never been a issue,why is it one now all of a sudden??? 60’s(Celtics,Warriors,Hawks) 70’s (Knicks,Lakers,Celtics,Bullets) and i don’t think i need to mention the 80’s that was dominated by 2 teams(Boston,L.A.)the MJ years(90’s) and the lakers and spurs winning 8 of the 11 titles since 2000.

And when is it a right of any buisness owner of any kind in the U.S.A. to have a promised profit??? It makes less sense when its a pro sports team owner.

and imo how things are going right now the cavs,suns,and bobcats are salted,cold,wastelands that no one besides draft picks and last chance vets. sorry fans of those thems,its the truth,no amount of cap space will attract teams to you,especially after your owners have shown themselves to screw over everyone else to fill their own interest

[Jlv2011]

Look it’s simple people, the players and owners are both greedy.  This is why the NBA is a joke now.

[JoeWolf1]

Both sides should realize they are losing money and alienating fans.  Plenty of people working normal jobs have had to take a pay cut or docked hours during down times. I don’t think that they are realizing that fans put the money in their pockets and they more multi millionaires fight publicly and take away the game millions of people around the world love, the less likely a guy making 30,000 a year is going to be willing to pay 50 bucks a ticket to sit in the nose bleeds on a Tuesday night.  Get it done. You are losing millions.

[tyasayParticipant]

what i dont understand is that the players are the product in this situation they should not make more money then the owners, the owners are the ones paying the players so i hope the owners stand strong with what they are doing i feel like the players need to stop being so greedy

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 the players should take the 50/50 deal…its the best deal in professional sports and it will only get worse from here…appparently almost half of the owners want it at 47% and they will not back down if the players reject this deal…

WE MIGHT ACTUALLY SEE NBA BASKETBALL !!!!

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The players have agreed to the 50-50 split.

I see no reason whatsoever why the owners shouldn’t raise their stance a little on some of the system issues. It seems the players just want a little more free-agency movement, which is ultimately good for players AND the entire league.

IMO, if the owners don’t accept this, then 100% of the blame falls on their shoulders.

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