[JM40Participant]

 I’ve been watching a good deal of college hoops this weekend, and compiled a list of players I am not sure are NBA material or not.  Your thoughts?

Kyle Collinsworth (yes)

Brandon Ashley (no)

Kyle Wiltjer (no)

Perry Ellis (???)

Bronson Koenig (yes)

Seth Tuttle (no)

Mamadou Ndiaye (???)

Marshall Plumlee (no)

 

Anyone else to addlist this list??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

 Brandon Dawson-no, big fan of his but he can’t only get by on hustle and athleticism at the next level, he’s too short to play as a 4 so he needs to refine his perimeter game, or he’ll be nothing but a Damion James type of player in the pros

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

 Brandon Dawson-no, big fan of his but he can’t only get by on hustle and athleticism at the next level, he’s too short to play as a 4 so he needs to refine his perimeter game, or he’ll be nothing but a Damion James type of player in the pros

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Are we talking about starting quality here? Cause if Matt Bonner can be in an NBA roster, I don’t understand why Kyle Wiltjer wouldn’t.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Are we talking about starting quality here? Cause if Matt Bonner can be in an NBA roster, I don’t understand why Kyle Wiltjer wouldn’t.

[Kinguy11Participant]

 Matt Bonner landed in a very favourable situation in San Antonio.  I don’t think he’d still be in the league if he didn’t choose to go to the Spurs back in 06.

[Kinguy11Participant]

 Matt Bonner landed in a very favourable situation in San Antonio.  I don’t think he’d still be in the league if he didn’t choose to go to the Spurs back in 06.

[nick5354Participant]

What a silly post about Matt Boner. He is a tall who is a career .414% shooter from 3. Talls who shoot above .400 from 3s especially in todays NBA will stick in the league so I am not really surprised.

You might argue that it is because of the spurs system and ball movement, but credit is due I think of Bonner to work on his niche.

[nick5354Participant]

What a silly post about Matt Boner. He is a tall who is a career .414% shooter from 3. Talls who shoot above .400 from 3s especially in todays NBA will stick in the league so I am not really surprised.

You might argue that it is because of the spurs system and ball movement, but credit is due I think of Bonner to work on his niche.

[phila9012Participant]

 yeah. He found the perfect spot for him to be able to play and the spurs found a player who fit perfectly in their system. Some guys need to be in the right spot as in system and coach to be successful, and if they find it they can have a long productive career. If they don’t they can be out of the league quickly. Other guys can find ways to fit in a lot of places kind of like reggie evans who has played on six teams. He has one skill which is rebounding and he is great at it. He has averaged 7 a game for his career in 19 mins.

[phila9012Participant]

 yeah. He found the perfect spot for him to be able to play and the spurs found a player who fit perfectly in their system. Some guys need to be in the right spot as in system and coach to be successful, and if they find it they can have a long productive career. If they don’t they can be out of the league quickly. Other guys can find ways to fit in a lot of places kind of like reggie evans who has played on six teams. He has one skill which is rebounding and he is great at it. He has averaged 7 a game for his career in 19 mins.

[ph90702]

Yes on Collinsworth and Wiltjer.  No on everybody else.

[ph90702]

Yes on Collinsworth and Wiltjer.  No on everybody else.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

Plumlee? Lol

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

Plumlee? Lol

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Brandon Ashley is gonna go top 25 hahah, why No tho?? smh

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Brandon Ashley is gonna go top 25 hahah, why No tho?? smh

[MattP31Participant]

Wiltjer will make it. I don’t know how much he will play, but he will see the court in the NBA. His offensive ability could get him a chance to play a couple minutes per game off the bench. He’s too much of a defensive liability to do more. The only way he sees more time than this is if he enters a Sixers type of situation.

Ndiaye will. I actually think he’s got some upside as a bench player

[MattP31Participant]

Wiltjer will make it. I don’t know how much he will play, but he will see the court in the NBA. His offensive ability could get him a chance to play a couple minutes per game off the bench. He’s too much of a defensive liability to do more. The only way he sees more time than this is if he enters a Sixers type of situation.

Ndiaye will. I actually think he’s got some upside as a bench player

[MopgrassParticipant]

Perry Ellis is one of those guys who really doesn’t jump off the page or do any one thing that’s all that impressive. He just knows how to play. He’s really a PF and a small one at that. But he’s got great footwork, he’s great anywhere near the basket, and his midrange is coming around. I’m not saying he should be a lottery guy by any means, but there’ a place for him.

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[ncballer]

Ellis reminds me of a better shooting McAdoo. McAdoo is signed to the Warriors.  Ellis can make it.  

[MopgrassParticipant]

Perry Ellis is one of those guys who really doesn’t jump off the page or do any one thing that’s all that impressive. He just knows how to play. He’s really a PF and a small one at that. But he’s got great footwork, he’s great anywhere near the basket, and his midrange is coming around. I’m not saying he should be a lottery guy by any means, but there’ a place for him.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

I’m just asking because I may have watched Kansas 2 times this year,but could Perry Ellis have a Carl Landry type career? undersized but so skilled that he creaes match up problems?

[sitlbitoParticipant]

I’m just asking because I may have watched Kansas 2 times this year,but could Perry Ellis have a Carl Landry type career? undersized but so skilled that he creaes match up problems?

[Jco4Participant]

 The way Perry Ellis plays reminds me of Chris Bosh. I think he’ll make an NBA roster and find a way to stick around in the league. 

[Jco4Participant]

 The way Perry Ellis plays reminds me of Chris Bosh. I think he’ll make an NBA roster and find a way to stick around in the league. 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Perry Ellis can make it if he just focuses on being a role playing backup 4.  Really work on rebounding, boxing out, and improving his range.  You also have to defend pick and rolls.  He could be a guy like Darrell Arthur maybe (before he got hurt).  Not spectacular but he could defend the P/R, hit a mid range jumper, and rebound some.  He might have less margin for error than some other guys, but I can see him having a longer career than some guys drafted ahead of him.

Compared to some other bigs that played at Kansas (other than DA) he probably could have a longer career than Cliff Alexander.  Has more talent that Tarik Black (in my opinion).

Kyle Wiltjer can make it too.  Ryan Kelly is in the league.  If Wiltjer can really knock it down then he can make a roster and get minutes.  He needs to work on one other thing or two: be at least a solid rebounder OR be a guy who can defend a little.  Being a crisp passer would help too.  But a cheap 3 point shooter with size?  Of course, guys like that have value.  

I wouldn’t think Marshall Plumlee gets more than a shot, but Coach K and Duke haven’t exactly maximized the Plumlees.  Marshall could give a team a cheap 3rd string center with a solid pedigree.  Why not?   Contenders like the Cavs, Grizzlies, and Spurs as well as the Warriors and maybe even the Clippers could use cheap center depth.  Basically I believe he could be a good 13th man.  You get your 10 man rotation, then for the other 3 spots, get an exta 3 point shooter, a third string point guard, and a 3rd string center.  At the very least Plumlee has been well coached at Duke, he has two brothers who are playing well, and he has also played against Jahlil Okafor in practice.  

You could also take Plumlee if you already have a good starting center and don’t want to overpay for a backup center (like Kosta Koufos or someone).  So you get Marshall Plumlee as a 3rd/2nd stringer along with a D League guy who has sort of a different skill set (either a shot blocker or a shooter).  So, use the money you could have spent on Kosta Koufos, add two backup 7 footers then still have enough money left over to sign a 3rd string point guard or an extra "energy" guy.

Speaking on an energy guy Branden Dawson (a guy that was mentioned in this thread) can have a role in the NBA as an energy, defensive guy at the 3.  He can rebound which also helps his cause.  What about Dawson to the Cavs with a late second round pick?  They already have their scorers and shooters and even their bigs inside, but they could use a backup 3 or LeBron.  He could give them more toughness off the bench at the wing spot than a James Jones or Joe Harris.  He could also learn a thing or two from Shawn Marion.  He might not be a star or a starter, or even a deep rotation guy, but I could see him being a situational 14th man when you need some extra toughness and defense on a super star wing player.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Perry Ellis can make it if he just focuses on being a role playing backup 4.  Really work on rebounding, boxing out, and improving his range.  You also have to defend pick and rolls.  He could be a guy like Darrell Arthur maybe (before he got hurt).  Not spectacular but he could defend the P/R, hit a mid range jumper, and rebound some.  He might have less margin for error than some other guys, but I can see him having a longer career than some guys drafted ahead of him.

Compared to some other bigs that played at Kansas (other than DA) he probably could have a longer career than Cliff Alexander.  Has more talent that Tarik Black (in my opinion).

Kyle Wiltjer can make it too.  Ryan Kelly is in the league.  If Wiltjer can really knock it down then he can make a roster and get minutes.  He needs to work on one other thing or two: be at least a solid rebounder OR be a guy who can defend a little.  Being a crisp passer would help too.  But a cheap 3 point shooter with size?  Of course, guys like that have value.  

I wouldn’t think Marshall Plumlee gets more than a shot, but Coach K and Duke haven’t exactly maximized the Plumlees.  Marshall could give a team a cheap 3rd string center with a solid pedigree.  Why not?   Contenders like the Cavs, Grizzlies, and Spurs as well as the Warriors and maybe even the Clippers could use cheap center depth.  Basically I believe he could be a good 13th man.  You get your 10 man rotation, then for the other 3 spots, get an exta 3 point shooter, a third string point guard, and a 3rd string center.  At the very least Plumlee has been well coached at Duke, he has two brothers who are playing well, and he has also played against Jahlil Okafor in practice.  

You could also take Plumlee if you already have a good starting center and don’t want to overpay for a backup center (like Kosta Koufos or someone).  So you get Marshall Plumlee as a 3rd/2nd stringer along with a D League guy who has sort of a different skill set (either a shot blocker or a shooter).  So, use the money you could have spent on Kosta Koufos, add two backup 7 footers then still have enough money left over to sign a 3rd string point guard or an extra "energy" guy.

Speaking on an energy guy Branden Dawson (a guy that was mentioned in this thread) can have a role in the NBA as an energy, defensive guy at the 3.  He can rebound which also helps his cause.  What about Dawson to the Cavs with a late second round pick?  They already have their scorers and shooters and even their bigs inside, but they could use a backup 3 or LeBron.  He could give them more toughness off the bench at the wing spot than a James Jones or Joe Harris.  He could also learn a thing or two from Shawn Marion.  He might not be a star or a starter, or even a deep rotation guy, but I could see him being a situational 14th man when you need some extra toughness and defense on a super star wing player.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TRC1991Participant]

Perry Ellis has an old-school game. He’s a good player. Definitely think he’s like Nick Collison as far as talent level goes

[TRC1991Participant]

Perry Ellis has an old-school game. He’s a good player. Definitely think he’s like Nick Collison as far as talent level goes

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 He reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of drew gooden if that makes any sense. He’d definitely be an undersized four. He’s not skilled enough to play the three. He seems to have a great attitude and strong work ethic and has a nice array of post moves. Plus he’s more advanced then a lot of younger players which a contending team with an immediate need for frontcourt depth might like. He’s quicker than most fours in the NBA so he could be effective in the face up game, but he needs to become a knock down mid-range guy to maximize his potential.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 He reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of drew gooden if that makes any sense. He’d definitely be an undersized four. He’s not skilled enough to play the three. He seems to have a great attitude and strong work ethic and has a nice array of post moves. Plus he’s more advanced then a lot of younger players which a contending team with an immediate need for frontcourt depth might like. He’s quicker than most fours in the NBA so he could be effective in the face up game, but he needs to become a knock down mid-range guy to maximize his potential.

[JoeWolf1]

The Kansas to Kansas comparisons are out of control.

Nick Collison? Darrell Arthur?

He doesn’t play like either one, and lacks the physical tools those guys had. 

Nick was 6’10” in shoes with a 7’1.5” wingspan and a very solid 255 pounds coming out of Kansas. He was a real physical player, and one who relished defense and playing on the block. In his prime, I’d go as far as saying he was a top 10 defensive power forward in the NBA. He gave Dirk serious issues, at the time it seemed like few guys could. 

Darrell Arthur wasn’t as physcially big as Collison, but he was a much different player that Perry also. He wasn’t as offensively diverse as Ellis, but he was a vastly superior defender, who was a natural shot blocker, and a guy who fit the mold for a stretch 4 in the NBA.

Perry is probably about 6’6” barefoot, and is a very underwhelming defender with a very good and broad offensive game. He struggles with length, but his expanding range gives him hope in the NBA. I think his best bet is to come back his senior year and really polish his collegiate 3 point range. He’s improved his athleticism a great deal at Kansas, and although he’ll never be a guy looked upon for defense in the NBA, if he can stretch the floor enough, I think he can have a chance of making it in the pros. He’s almost a complete offensive forward, and I think that is what it will take for him to make it in the NBA. 

I’d compare him to Ryan Gomes

[JoeWolf1]

The Kansas to Kansas comparisons are out of control.

Nick Collison? Darrell Arthur?

He doesn’t play like either one, and lacks the physical tools those guys had. 

Nick was 6’10” in shoes with a 7’1.5” wingspan and a very solid 255 pounds coming out of Kansas. He was a real physical player, and one who relished defense and playing on the block. In his prime, I’d go as far as saying he was a top 10 defensive power forward in the NBA. He gave Dirk serious issues, at the time it seemed like few guys could. 

Darrell Arthur wasn’t as physcially big as Collison, but he was a much different player that Perry also. He wasn’t as offensively diverse as Ellis, but he was a vastly superior defender, who was a natural shot blocker, and a guy who fit the mold for a stretch 4 in the NBA.

Perry is probably about 6’6” barefoot, and is a very underwhelming defender with a very good and broad offensive game. He struggles with length, but his expanding range gives him hope in the NBA. I think his best bet is to come back his senior year and really polish his collegiate 3 point range. He’s improved his athleticism a great deal at Kansas, and although he’ll never be a guy looked upon for defense in the NBA, if he can stretch the floor enough, I think he can have a chance of making it in the pros. He’s almost a complete offensive forward, and I think that is what it will take for him to make it in the NBA. 

I’d compare him to Ryan Gomes

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