Is the NBA headed to a new great big men era?
Having a dominant big have alwys been a rare commodity, some say, that when you have one, he will probably catapult your team to a contender.
I am a NBA fan since 1984, and i had the pleasure to watch the great era of big men, including Abdul Jabbar.
Watched the Dream complete package of footwork, Robinson´s Defense, Young Shaqs power, Ewings fluidity, Jabbars unstopable skyhook, Kevin Frankenstein Mchale Dhalsim like post moves, young Duncan an so on.
The center position has changed, the game has sped up, and the archetype has changed.
There are some hope with potential on some young bigs and some upcoming ones.
Jonas V and Drummond have the potential to be dominant, really dominant enough to be better than Dwight.
on another case, I dont want to lose hope on Cousins, the potential is still there, he just need to mature.
Another young and intriging bigmen now in the league (tier 2), Cody Zeller, Meyers Leonard, Alex Len, etc
I am also intrigued by non NBA players on the radar: D. Zimmerman, Willie Cauley, Myles Turner, Karl Towns, and some many more, who can shoot, handle and have more than decent athletic ability and skills.
What do you think, in 5 or 6 years, another golden NBA centers epoque?
Sorry for my english ;)
I think so...also i think jahlil okafor could be great, theres a lot of guys with a lot of potential but i mean thats all it is right now. Ive thought big men would break thru every year and some have some havnt but I will admit that it looks like its finally going to take a turn and be a new big man era
I don't see Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing and Shaq dominance but definitely better than what it has been. I'm excited
+ Mutombo, Mourning...
and the three European behemoths Smits, Divac, and Sabonis
I would add Enes Kanter to that list he is going to be very good.
Also Derrick Favors
Well I would say theres a chance of a couple Dominate centers coming up but in all truth its just goin to take them so much longer to Develop. When your comparing to the Duncan's (4 years at Wake Forest), Patrick Ewing's (4 years at Georgetown), Hakeem Olajuwon (3 years at Houston), David Robinson's (4 years at Navy), Shaq's (4 years at LSU) (excuse me if the years arent actually correct) but They put the work in at the College Level and Came out as Dominant Forces. Most people would agree that developing in college as a big man (or any player) will pay dividends in the long run, but now a days if anyone stays past their sophmore year they will get far more overlooked as compared to a freshman with "potential". I Believe the days of a 7' Senior at the Center position being drafted first overall are a thing of the past.
I think we could be heading into a bright future for centers but unfortunately not to the level it was in the 90s. The mid 90s were simply ridiculous, an absolute golden age, and I doubt we'll ever seen another era like it. Using 1993 as the best example, these in hindsight are my top ten centers in the league at the time:
1. Hakeem Olajuwon: 26.1 PPG, 13 RPG, 4.2 BPG, 1.8 SPG
2. David Robinson: 23.4 PPG, 11.7 PG, 3.2 BPG, 1.5 SPG
3. Shaquille O'Neal: 23.4 PPG, 13.9 RPG, 3.5 BPG, 56 FG%
4. Patrick Ewing: 24.2 PPG, 12.1 RPG, 2 BPG
5. Alonzo Mourning: 21 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 3.5 BPG
6. Brad Daugherty: 20.2 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 4.4 APG, 57 FG%
7. Dikembe Mutombo: 13.8 PPG, 13 RPG, 3.5 BPG
8. Rony Seikaly: 17.1 PPG, 11.8 RPG
9. Pervis Ellison: 17.4 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 2.2 BPG
10. Robert Parrish: 12.6 PPG, 9.4 RPG, 53.5 FG%, 19.2 PER
That's just crazy, especially looking at the league today. You have 5 almost definite HOFers at the top of their game, another HOFer well past his prime but still very effective in limited minutes and 2 other guys who would almost definitely be HOFers if not for injuries derailing their career.
In 1992, Hakeem wasn't even an All-NBA third team selection despite 21.6 PPG, 12.1 RPG and 4.3 BPG and this was BEFORE Shaq and Mourning were in the league. In 1994 Ewing didn't even make the All-NBA third team despite putting up 24.5 PPG, 11.2 RPG and 2.7 BPG for the best team in the Eastern Conference.
And I'm not even including the Power Forwards of that era; Malone, Barkley and Rodman all in their prime as well as guys like Shawn Kemp, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman, Larry Nance, Horace Grant, Detlef Schrempf, Cliff Robinson, Kevin Willis and Charles Oakley who were all in or near their prime as well.
HA! Ok, yes there is a lot of potentia guysl but "golden era" is waaaaaay way way too strong a statement. Who of these big men current and future truly have HOF potential? Drummond and Cousins? And that's even a stretch. I don't think we'll ever see a stretch that produced big men like the late 80's/early 90's. I mean come on. Ewing, Hakeem, Barkley, the Admiral, Shaq, Zo, Malone, Duncan. There's no way. The evolution of basketball has changed the landscape. AAU, floor spacing, small ball. That era is over and I'm not sure it's never coming back.
The NBA has completely shifted in style of play partially because of this lack of big men. One guy that I have seen that could have that chance is Andre Drummond. If he wants to be the next Shaq he can be, but it's on him. Kevin Garnett showed how much impact a stretch 7 can have on the game. Zeller, Zimmerman, Towns, maybe Myles Turner. You've got your hybrids: the athletic, fast break 7 footers who will develop an in between game like Meyers Leonard, Willie Cauley-Stein, again maybe Turner, and this is where Drummond is right now. Then there's the back to the basket guys like Kanter, Len, Cousins, Okafor. I don't know where Jonas V. fits as I haven't seen him play.
If we're talking about players bein elite. Hall of Fame type of guys I only see a couple. Andre Drummond and Karl Towns Jr. I think Towns has a Dirk Nowitzki type ceiling. The rest I think will just range from good to really good (save for the CO 2015 prospects). So no I don't think a golden age is coming, though I think we are DEFINITELY on an upswing from the post Shaq/Dwight era.
I believe Drummond has the most potential. Also he keep speeding up his develop process, so he should be offensively dominant within the next 3 years at the rate he's going, hopefully. He just has to get a "touch" around the basket. Only way he can get that is not to dunk every time he gets the ball.Some moves don't require the need to dunk. Once he get his touch, and keep working on his back to the basket game, he's gonna scary to watch.
But anyway, most of todays bigs really suck, it would be nice to see the teens develop, i see oozing potential every new class.
"Sorry for my English" You frickin' used the word "Epoque". Correctly. lol
But with the league about to be taken over by all the great wing players and point guards in this upcoming draft class, in addition to the Center position already being the NBA's weakest, I'm gonna have to disagree with you.
I don't think so in the near future. A problem imo is to much AAU and club basketball along with the emphasis on winning at a young age. The time is not put in to teach back to the back offense. It is much easier to take young athletes and teach them to press and run and drive to the basket. That is what wins on the youth level. I was talking with the father of a 14-16 year old boy who was playing on a summer club team and they were in a tournament that weekend the father was saying that his sons team and all the other teams played a diamond and 1 full court press defense and fell back into a half court trap. On offense it was get the ball down the court as fast as possible and get a shot off quickly because if you didn't the other team would steal the ball with their half court trap. That type of youth basketball does not allow the development of post players.