NBA Ball: Is Dion Waitets any better than Jordan Crawford or Marcus Thornton?
Is dion waiters any better than Jordan Crawford or marcus Thornton? There all undersized 2 guards who show terrible shot selection and are very inefficient that do nothing else. Both Crawford and Thornton have started in there careers, and I doubt any of them get another shot of starting in there careers though Thornton might have a shot if he fixes a few things. I just think that waiters will probably follow there path and I doubt waiters starts next year and I see the cavs trying to bring someone else in to have waiters be the 6 th man which seems to better suit his game
I think Waiters has a better head on his shoulders which is more important than being super talented. He also takes defense more seriously that the two mentioned, and he definitely seems like a sixth man.
Cavs were awful defensively, especially on the perimeter. You are correct about him being a sixth man though, he can be a good one.
I don't know how much of Waiters you saw this year, but i watched every game. He shows much much improved shot selection. He does take terrible shots and was doing it far to much at the start of his rookie year.I would be so angry seeing him take off balanced shots and 3 after 3. Before the All-Star break, he was shooting just 39.6% on FG and 30.9% form downtown. Post-All-Star break, he showed heaps of improvement in this area, these numbers have climbed to 46.8 % from FG and 35.7% on 3's. His PER, Offensive Rating and usage all improved in this period.
Also he is agood passer, which is very underated in his game. Coming from zone d to man on man i think he has been better than i thought to adjust to this type of D.
Waiters actually played a little better when Byron Scott benched him and started cj miles. His percentages got better when he was coming off the bench. Also Crawford and Thornton aren't bad passers and actually show good court vision at times, the thing is they just don't pass the ball
I am not a huge fan of Waiters, but I think he is better than chuckers Crawford and Thornton. He can pass the ball a bit better but I believe Waiters will prob be a decent 6th man.
I don't see much difference between Waiters and Thornton. He was hugely overrated by many people during the draft. Somehow him skipping workouts and the buzz of him getting picked higher then he should have been fooled the Cavs in picking a 6th man.
IDK, Dion benefited greatly playing with Kyrie, I'd have to see how he does without him.
Marcus Thornton put up numbers in Sacramento in a dysfunctional system.
Jordan Crawford put up numbers in a dysfunctional system as well with and without John Wall, as at one point this season before Wall came back he was the Wizards best player(Statistically) leading them in scoring and assist.
Dion waiters has had some great games without Irving, IMO he will play better without irving than with him. Both players are ball dominant.
Thornton or Crawford has never shot 46 percent from the field in their whole careers. Waiters only did it after the break but he is just a rookie who played twice the amount of minutes he ever played in his whole life. He also shot 35% on threes after the break as pointed above and Thornton has never shot above 37 in his career and Crawford above 35%. There career archs should be very different. Thornton has game though, so saying he is only as good as a guy who probably would be sixth man of the year on a good team is not a bad thing to be.
Plus he drives to the hole, pretty much at will, Thornton as a rookie could get in the lane but that quickly vanished as he lacked the athleticism. A Marcus Thornton that can be coached up and wants to be more efficient, who can go to the rack at will, actually sounds like a he!! of a prospect to me.
Those stats are likely deceiving, because they are likely from the beginning of the season. It seems like this is one those cases a Rookie looks very good until players caught on.
I watched every game of the Cavs season he began to come on later in his season before he got hurt so I'm not sure it is deceiving.
They are after the All Star game stats
Marcus Thornton can score. He did it in New Orleans and he is doing it in Sac town. Jordan Crawford has shown the ability to play some point. It is too early on Dion because he shows good and bad. Next year will be his separation year from combo guards who never really take off.
Man, yall forgetting the fact that Waiters is playing with one of the BEST PG's in the game, im not saying he can't be better than Crawford or Thornton, I just want to see what he does without Kyrie first before I say that he's better of the 3.
As Kyrie missed a bunch of games we saw how Waiters played without Kyrie. He played well. I specifically remember a 3 game stretch in which he averaged 24 points without Irving, and stepped up when Kyrie was out.
I don't understand why you're getting negged for this, it's true. They both need the ball to play the best that's why I was against drafting Waiters at four. He will be a great sixth man, no doubt, I just don't want my team drafting a sixth man with the 4th pick. Barnes or Drummond would've been better.
Ok now if were going to nit pick we can do that with all 3 of them.
I can go pick out games from both Crawford and Thornton career's were they've played well, they're pro's my man they're going to have good games, don't let that excite you.
You just said about seeing him play without Kyrie and I am just saying we have. He stepped up in big games, helping Cavs win and putting up big numbers. I am only stating a reply to your question. I think it was 10 games in which he played without Kyrie. Given it is a small sample, but that is what the observable evidence we have atm.
The Wizards were excited to ship their "best" player out to Boston for virtually nothing; because he is a cancer on and off the court. Crawford has the worst shot selection, plays horrible defense, and had an incredibly cocky attitude- thinking he was better than everyone else. The Wizards started winning and playing much better overall when he was marooned to the end of the bench.
LOL man how many games did him and Kyrie not play together? 14? Man be for real, as i said before I'd like to see what he does without Kyrie not for 14 games but a whole season or mainly most of a season where he's the main focal point of a defense.
Crawford is no saint, I never said he was a great player, I just simply stated facts, he was the Wizards best player at one point while Wall was down and that's the truth.
I don't get this argument? I am not just going to make up stats just to show what you want. But as the evidence is put forth atm, it shows he is playing well without him. And as a rookie it should be the other way around. A season? That is not even realistic? The chances of Waiters playing a whole season with no Irving is very very slim?
How well did he really play with Irving?
17.5 PPG, 2.3 Boards, 4.0 APG
Team went 4-10
Waiters shooting percentages were: 39% FG and 29% 3PT
I was trying to find those stats everywhere. Source?
No source just basic math, took all his stats and broke em down.
How do you know which games he played without Irving?
Just go to ESPN.com and pull up Kyrie's game log and Waiter's game log and you can tell from there.
Only 14 games not many.
This is a full breakdown of Kyrie/Waiters with and without each other...
Dion Waiters is bigger and more athletic than both of these guys, he also shows great driving potential, while these guys mostly just shoot free throws.
I don't see why the hate, he played very well for a rookie, what else do you want for now? It's all up to him, he can improve or not, this past season he's been playing much better than most other rookies.
I hate a topic like this because it comes from a typical hater of Waiters. Dion had a way better season than a good amount of people thought he would, but since people thought he was going to be a bust they nit pick. Why doesn't anybody make a topic asking if Brad Beal is better than JJ Redick, I mean it is not like Beal had an awesome season.
Brad Beal and Dion Waiters had very comparable seasons, aside from 3pt fg%. I find it funny that everyone is so quick to diss Waiters but praise Beal. I think it has something to do with the awesome run Washington went on after John Wall came back vs the Cavs abysmal season.