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NBA and PED's

There are quite a few articles on ESPN in the True Hoop and Working Bodies blogs about the league and PED's. What is your take on it? Do you think it really is prevalent? Do you think the league sort of knows about it, as it makes the product better a la WWE? It is obviously a lot more entertaining if your stars are still energetic on the 5th day of a 7 day road trip. Why, even, was the NBA reportedly given special testing exemptions when it came the Olympics, basically overseeing it for their players. No other sport gets this treatment.

You can find some of that commentary here, plus there are more links to the topic on the page.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61898/wanted-real-leadership-...

The kicker on this - As critical as they are of the situation, when I pulled the article up, two of the ads on the page were for testosterone replacement. Nice way to walk the walk, ESPN.


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make take on it is im tired to hear about it, there has been atleast 5 post about it this last month smhhhh.

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Wouldn't surprise me

It wouldn't surprise me if it was even more rampant in sports than we all imagine. At this point, I don't even know if the question is "who's using?", but rather, "how can we redo the rules to make sure people don't get too out of hand using?" It would not surprise me if 95% of NFL players, boxers, and MMA athletes were using; or if over a third of NBA players were using. I know I'm being insanely cynical about it, but there are so many new ways to enhance performance and recovery, and so many new drugs/techniques are being developed, that I don't think it's even possible to enforce drug use well anymore.

I think the major sports leagues need to get together and find a way to decide what's acceptable and what isn't, and enforce what they can. I feel like if some of it is made legal, it would eliminate the need for sketchy medical practices like BALCO and Biogenesis, and it would be easier to regulate the use/keep tabs on who's doing what.

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I think one of the reasons

I think one of the reasons people "accept" PED use in football more than other sports is the abuse these guys put their bodies through. I think that's where a lot of sports fans fall. If there was a way for top athletes, who push themselves through grueling schedules regardless of sport, to use these substances therapeutically or in injury recovery, they'd be for it. Most would be "against" using them simply to become a freak of nature.

When you see the recoveries of some athletes from horrific injuries, in terms of time and completeness, it tends to indicate they are benefiting from modern medicine. I have a personal story with a torn tendon and HGH. My guess is anyone coming back completely and quickly from a torn tendon is going to have to weighed that option.

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The NFL actually has some

The NFL actually has some pretty strong testing procedures. There is no way 95% of the guys are using season in and season out. To get to that level you'd have to have almost all the kickers, punters and QBs using. No way the journeyman old man backup QB is juicing to prepare for standing on the sideline holding a clipboard. Nor is the ten year veteran placekicker. Or the long snapper who plays ten downs a game and basically just has to hit a long snap and then fall down and trip someone.

Even with the linemen who definitely need all the strength and recovery they can get, it isn't going to be 95% juicing. Back in the 80's before the testing a lot more were and you saw linemen who looked like big Arnold Swarzenagers. That was because a cut guy could just juice himself up to 290 and then be big enough to play the position. Now we have many more guys who are kind of just fat strong guys. Because you need to have that natural ability to get big since you can't use steroids as easily or as much.

I think the NFL also does surprise spot checks in the off season.

I know there is a lot of juicing in high school and college football where the testing is either non-existant or much more relaxed. And you can juice for a summer and make permanent gains. So I bet a lot of guys did a few cycles of steroids at some point in their life. But on any given Sunday, I doubt a ton of guys are currently using.

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There are posts on this

There are posts on this because it is an enormous issue in sports and on the legal front. If you are tired of the issue, I wonder what you do care about.

The linked articles are good reads, if you do care at all.

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@rope"even, was the NBA

@rope

"even, was the NBA reportedly given special testing exemptions when it came the Olympics, basically overseeing it for their players. No other sport gets this treatment."

You get me really started, this is a senseless fabrication, an outright lie. NBA players have no special testing exemptions whatsoever. The pool of players USAB selects undergoes random testing through USADA half a year before the olympics. And the testing is the same track and field or swimming is exposed. There is massive circumstantial evidence that PEDs are not widely spread in basketball. Why? Do you really believe David Easy and the NBA are more powerful than american football or baseball. Literally hundreds and hundreds athletes were caught in the US, not through testing but through shrewd people at USADA, investigators, whistleblowers and federal attorneys. If you look at the posses most of the players entertain, all the hustlers around them, do you really believe widespread use of PEDs would be a secret. No chance at all.

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Please show me some of your

Please show me some of your evidence that US Basketball is as clean as you say.

To me the NBA knows pretty well what's going on in the league and doesn't want to make names and substances public. A first time athlete who is caught isn't even named or beeing banned. It's naive opinions like yours who make this whole topic even worse. The only reason why I think so few athletes are beeing caught in the league is the NBA doesn't want to get the whole media coverage if top athletes are caught and it's in the interest of the league and the fans that players come out relatively healthy and fresh after a brutal season with 82 games or more.

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It is a fact that NBA players

NBA players do not get tested by the Olympics, but by the NBA.

It's reported all through world media outside the USA.

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Drug testing

I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that for the Olympics, testing of athletes was conducted by WADA (World Anti Doping Agency). If individual countries were responsible for their own testing, we could see cover ups on the scale of Russia and east Germany in the 80's. I don't see how US basketball could cover for their Olympic athletes in Olympic competition.

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Yes, you are wrong. Team USA

Yes, you are wrong. Team USA is NOT tested by the Olympic committee. They are tested by the NBA itself.

Also, it's a moot point anyway, as the Olympics itself says it cannot detect any designer PEDs that are currently in use in the USA.

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Drug Testing

So you guys actually think that Olympic athletes are clean of PED's? That's one of the funniest things I've heard all week.

NBA players pass Olympic drug testing the way that most of the other athletes do; using the many methods available to them; biosimilars, urine replacement, micro dosing etc.

Ever wonder just how random these tests are? A good friend of mine is a former professional MMA fighter. He was always informed well in advance of a test; giving him time to mask etc. I know it's not always that way in MMA, but it was in his case.

Here is a list of 19 methods that are employed, and an explanation of them.

http://sportsanddrugs.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002706

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Olympics

I never said the Olympic athletes were completely clean. There's always a new drug or new technique to disguise drug use that athletes will use to try and get an edge over their competition. My comment was in response to the person that said US basketball got to choose which of its players were tested at the Olympics in order to cover up drug use. I was merely stating that they don't get that choice during Olympic competition.

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The Olympics does not test

The Olympics does not test NBA players. All of Team USA, and any other player of any country that plays in the NBA, is not tested by the Olympics.

They are tested instead by the NBA. That was part of the NBA agreements with the Olympics when the NBA agreed to send allow its players to play at the Olympics.

It's just through the issue that US sports media has been so incredibly silent on this, that Americans don't know that. But it's always been reported pretty much in every Olympics outside the US, and it always causes a controversy.

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Here is the report from

Here is the report from Spanish media for 2012:

http://www.estrelladigital.es/deportes/control-antidoping-seleccion-balo...

There was also reports of the same by Greek media in 2004, and Chinese media in 2008. And since USA is usually winning the Olympics, this naturally is very irritating to most of the other country's basketball federations.

I guess only someone like France basketball federation, that is almost always full of NBA players does not have a problem with it.

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Your agenda is idiotic, but I

Your agenda is idiotic, but I think you know that. Team USA was tested by USADA which operates using the same testing protocols and tests for the exact same substances as WADA. The only difference is who gets paid to do the testing.

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Right sure......same way like

Right sure......same way like Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong, etc. were being "tested by the Olympics"......

Yeah, strange how the US governing body had oversight there too....

The average American is so gullible it's unbelievable.

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USADA wasn't even charge of

USADA wasn't even charge of testing when Carl Lewis was competing, neither was WADA for that matter. The World Anti Doping code, which both USADA and WADA adhere to wasn't even created until 2004. You realize USADA was the org that took Armstrong down? You realize that a lot of Armstrong's specimens were handled by WADA labs? Did you know that a key person who helped Armstrong beat EPO tests was the head of a WADA lab? He beat them all, idiot. WADA is far from infallible.

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All these American heroes are

All these American heroes are absolute jokes. They are suppose to be role models for young kids to look up to. Yeh sure kid do you want to take cocaine or steroids just like your sporting idol ?

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its interesting seeing the

its interesting seeing the transformation in Lebron's body his rookie year and his body in 2013

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And the transformation in Marc Gasol's body from his high school days...

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It stinks because you know

It stinks because you know how hard 99% of athletes go in the weightroom, as a HS basketball player myself I've lived a weightroom transformation. I personally do not believe those pictures show anything other than going from boys to men. The 1% raise those types of suspicions though it's very unfortunate.

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Throw Eric Bledsoe on here as

Throw Eric Bledsoe on here as well(J/K) but his body has transformed like crazy since his HS days as well.

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