Back in the day, money wasn't an issue
when u was drafted by a small market team u more than likely stayed there
players were more passionate, because it was the love of the game that drove them to play
players today are greedy and selfish, and most of em half ass till its a contract year
I miss the big man game, i don't remember much of it, but i loved watching hakeem, big men then had skill, talent, not just brute strength, and athleticism.
I remember when the bulls would meet the pacers in the playoffs, then the knicks
talk about excitement, reggie miller is one of my favorite players of all time.
I remember when players knew their roles...no way in hell joekim noah would take a jumpshot on a Jordan/Pippen Bulls team.....
i must say MONEY ruined the NBA
The players have gotten more talented but the passion has gone down i agree.
yea me and a friend was having an arguement about this subject the other day, he had solid points and so did i
i agreed that players aren't as passionate as the latter days but the talent is there
everyone in the league now is an exceptional athlete, when will these GMs figure out that athletic players can only get so far without pure passion
u can tell who has the want to and will to get better, those guys put in mad work in the off-season
dwight howard completely changed his body, if he ever get the post moves that coach pat s trying to teach him, he'll be unstoppable....ill still root for him unless he gets as big as shaq who i honestly think killed the big man game
im not sure how you judge passion. It is too easy to simply throw that out there without having any way of actually substantiating it. I see guys out there busting their ass every night. One big reason for that is the rookie pay scale. In the 90's, there was no rookie pay scale so you had guys like derrick coleman and glenn robinson demanding 100 million dollars and holding out for months before they ever played a game. Now guys dont get really paid until their 4th or 5th year. You better believe that makes them bust their ass to get that money. I remeber cedric ceballos actually went awol during the season and the lakers had no idea where he was until pictures surfaced of him jet skiing in lake havisu.
Im not saying that now is better in terms of passion, but it's too easy to reminisce about all the good things from the past and ignore the rest while we have the media shoving everything down our throats 24/7 today exposing every little wart about the nba. Media has a lot to do with our perception of things
Sure the players on the rookie contact play hard but as soon as they get the big bucks they stop practicing and soon after lose their edge (see sasha vujacic).
again, thats a pretty vague compariosn to say the players past didnt do that. Shawn Kemp was amazing with seattle and he complained about his contract the whole time. Finally he got traded to cleavland and they gave him the big 100 mill contract he had been asking for for years. He proceeded to become a 300 pound coke head.
My only point is lets not act like money was not a factor in the past and they worked so much harder and the game was all about passion and for the love. Most players worked hard then and they still do now. Money has always been a factor ever since guys started making millions.
"Since 1990, the NBA has instituted a series of rules changes to increase the offensive player's flow and make physical play costly. First came increased penalties for flagrant fouls (1990) and fighting (1993), the implementation of the "five points" rule that called for automatic suspensions of players who amassed a certain number of flagrants (1993). Hand checking was eliminated in 1994. Using the forearm to defend players facing the basket went away in 1997." (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/04/22/aldridge.defe...)
This is what changed the game, once you couldn't touch a player without fouling them the game changed. Lebron would seem much more passionate if he was hammered every time he drove to the basket.
Going beyond the basketball court if you bust your butt for a promotion (more money) when you get it you can't tell me you don't relax and slack off in comparison to before.
Personally I like how the NFL free agency works. Being able to cut players would stop the league from continuing to lose money (next CBA will decrease player salaries so I can't blame people for wanting to get paid this summer). But odds are it won't happen.
and ur absolutely right, the hand check rule is BS
they should have kept that in tact
I like the coke heaad thing you said about Kemp perez..LOL
The players are better but the teams are worse because Gm suck. Player dogged it back in the day as well. At least not the spotlight is on everyone so it gets noticed who is dogging it. There were players back in the day that did not play a lick of defense but since they could score like 25 and up no one said nothing. Now you are put on blast if you are a top player and can not play D. Glenn Robinson anyone. Also with rookie contracts set, rookies are coming in playing harder and showing signs of being what they can be. Back in the day a rookie could hold out and get a contract without playing a game just based on rep. I will say people were not getting paid as much then but still the economy was good and you could come in making more than what the rookie scale is now if you had college hype.
some team need to let some players go like Okafor is nice but Bobcat should have never given him that money. There are some teams that are on par with the back in the day teams
Portland when healthy
San Antonio( if they were younger)
Cleveland(to some degree but back in the day Lebron would have had a better team or a better coach)
also there are a lot of teams that are close Bulls and Bucks come to my mine
Atl gets no love right now
Also on that note I am tired of black people supporting coach who are horrible just to support black
dude was good on defense but he was truly awful on offense. At least Doc Rivers was smart enough
to sign a defensive guru to help him in that area of his weakness
The thing about now is players has some much raw ability yet lack fundamentals but a lot of them are so good they can actually get by without it for some teams. You have guys that would be Centers 30 years ago play small forward. You have power forward and Centers that are interchangeable. You have point guards that are as big as most 2 guards and some small forwards. Also where money hurt things is guys dont want to play hurt so they can make more money by staying in the league longer. back in the day Ray Allen and Kg would be role players.
Good pt about the coaches, also nowadays the money is ridiculous.
Back than how much were guys like MJ, Pippen making.
Also Sasha Vujacic was nothing special he hit a few jump shot and was a pest on D thats it.
He still gave up the winning basket in Game 4 of the Finals 2 years ago in an isolation play.
also i feel like in today's game there isn't as many unique players. If you look at back in the day you knew you'd never see anyone like larry, magic, hakeem, dr j, clyde drexler, etc. most of the players from prior generations had such unique styles to their game. Where as today most stars games are pretty comparable to each other. I think a lot of this has to do with the insane amount of over coaching some of these players get in high school nowadays. compared to back in the day when these players perfected their unique games on the playground.
tdmiles there are actually a lot of different types of players in the League but with so much coverage everyone is look at only certain people. Also there is big difference between guys that are committed and those that are not. Honestly even the Lakers now dont have a great team from 1 -10. Orlando does but they dont have well put together team and their starting line up is flawed. Celtics who are a lot older have the most complete team. That said Kobe will make the Lakers win though.
money ruins everything, money ruined music, the best music used to be motown/ philly guys singing harmonies on a street corner. Now we have crap like lil wayne and pitbull.
I think the new rules and a bunch of "holy cows" ruined the NBA in some way.
With the three second rule it became much harder to be a big man and easier to be a guard, the NBA is way less physical because of the elimination of the hand check and forearm.
The players are also paid way too much, although I'm not sure that hurts the game, it just really puts the players apart from ordinary people
The NBA should make some moves to become more like the NBA of 1990s