You can add some first round and second round picks to this as well as money
I think the Knicks would most likely swap Gallo in for Randolph to make the deal a lock.
The Knicks would have to throw in Felton so it would probably be like: Felton, Gallo and Chandler for CP3
thats a bad trade for the hornets. The best player involved is randolph and they get to eat the last year of currys deal on top of that? Plus i dont think the knicks could include any first rounders until 2014 wich is not exactly gonna make the hornets giddy. And the hornets dont get to shed any of their bad contracts like okafor or peja?
I thought the Knicks loved Gallo, would they give him up before Randolph.
Felton can't be traded until jan. or Feb. as per NBA free agency rules.
Felton can not be trade right not I think you have to wait til Dec. Also Gallo is a Mike D type or player but if push came to shove I guess they would include him if they felt they were getting Melo.
Randolph played at LSU so i would think New Orleans would want him to keep fan interests.
The Hornets would probably want Gallinari in any Paul trade. Also if they trade Paul they will make sure that they make the other team take on Okafor's horrendous contract or at least James Posey's contract. They'd rather keep expirings like Songaila and Julian Wright and send out guys like Posey and Okafor.
The Knicks have first rounders. They have a swap with Houston and they traded a pick. They also got some second rounder from GSW. GSW should not be good enough for those 2nd rounders to suck.
I agree about the posey but i don't know if Knicks do the deal if they can't have money for Melo.
THe swap is optional so they cant trade that pick.
They cant trade a first rounder until 2014, which is a killer.
Please, the Knicks have 1st round picks in 2011 and 2013...Do the info.
If NY wants to get Paul- Gallo would have to be in the deal. And also- Taking Curry's expiring contract is not a big deal. Gives you cap space in 2011.
They cant trade back, to back first rounders.
I like Gallo but I did not know New Orleans wanted him over Randolph. When did that happen?
Randolph is very talented and I think he is from Louisiana. I know he went to LSU
That's true, you cannot trade the actual pick but if you can either
- Rights to swap
-Draft a player and trade him.
NY could make a deal to give them rights to swap where NO is almost guranteed to get the pick.
I think Portland could put together a much better package, especially considering they have a huge expiring contract in Pryzbilla and Andre Miller with a team option in 2011-2012.
Portland could afford to take on Posey's contract, while giving New Orleans plenty of young talent.
haha, knicksoby gonna educate me now. You do know league rules require you have at least 1 draft pick every other season. Do your homework before you call out people for stuff you dont know.
But ig they got Paul they would be better than New Orleans, lol and also theres no binding way to draft and trade players, and im sure New Orleans wouldnt trust New York.
Bare with me, NO gets a ton of cap room over the next two years(talking 40 mil) without taking on a PG to hinder collison. They also get a good wing and some youth and one of LA PGs, probably some draft picks involved as well.
Orlando gets an elite PG and a versatile forward that doesn't mind taking a bench Or they can play lewis at the 3, odom at the 4(or switched). Also, they get rid of Nelson, cuz he'll be expendable.
Lakers get a quality PG and trade away Odom's inconsistent play. They get Bass to come off the bench also.
I know its unlikely but i feel like its good for all teams involved.
Do your homework before you call out people for stuff you dont know.
Did I not say the Knicks could draft someone then move them? The Knicks have picks to move if needed. You also don't think the Knicks could try to invite a 3rd team?
Your making it like NY has no pieces to get Paul. That's my only issue.
How could they someone and then move him?
And they do have peices, they just cant trade a first rounder till 2014 lol.
Dwat that trade sucks for New Orleans. Vince is old and Bass played there already and they let him go.
Orlando and Laker first rounder would not mean much considering they would be in the 25 and up
dwatt is DEFINITELY a Magic fan....wow
The Hornes get absolutely jobbed in that trade.
knicksboy, just man up and admit you were wrong
I wasn't wrong.
The Knicks could offer deals to swap picks and/or do deals for lotto protected picks.
Hell, the Knicks just did the deal involving a 2011 and 2012 pick like 5 months ago.... how are you telling me what could be moved?
They didnt deal their 2011, and 2012 pick.
They traded their 2012 pick, and offered a swap for their 2011 pick.
Knicks can offer a swap but i doubt theyd get a higher pick from the Knicks if they got Paul.
''New York Knickerbockers President of Basketball Operations Donnie Walsh announced today that the team has acquired seven-time All-Star swingman Tracy McGrady from the Houston Rockets and guard Sergio Rodriguez from the Sacramento Kings, as part of a three-team trade. New York traded guard Larry Hughes to Sacramento and forwards Jordan Hill and Jared Jeffries to Houston, as well as a protected 2012 first round pick and the Rockets have the option to exchange first round draft selections in 2011. Sacramento acquired forwards Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey from Houston and Houston acquired guard Kevin Martin and forward/center Hilton Armstrong from Sacramento.''
Knicks can offer a swap but i doubt theyd get a higher pick from the Knicks if they got Paul.
They can offer a swap. So how am I wrong?
knicksboy, i said they cant trade away their first rounders in a deal today for chris paul until 2014. You told me to do my info and that the hornets have 1st rounders in 2011 and 2013 as if they could somehow trade those for chris paul. They cant, they can not trade those for chris pual or anyone else. League rules prohibit that. Thus, you were wrong. You were worng in every sense of the word wrong. ANd you are too stubborn to admit it. I never said the hornets didnt have trade pieces just siad they dont have picks for awhile which they dont. Funny thing is, im wrong about details all the time. But i dont go around calling people out and telling them to do their homewrok and then turn around and try and act like "well, they have pieces, they could do things to make it work" after i was corrected.
Plus, Timmy- You have to read friend.
I never said they traded both picks. I said they did deals involving both 2011 and 2012 picks.
The question now would be what will be the difference between Houston and Knicks pick without Chris Paul and what would be the different with Chris Paul. Also if Knicks get Chris Paul, I am going out on a limb here but I think they win more games than Houston making that 2011 pick theirs and good for a trade with New Orleans but it would probably be in the the late teens early 20's
knicksboy, i said they cant trade away their first rounders in a deal today for chris paul until 2014.
That's not true. They give up a 1st round pick without strings attached (swaps) until 2014.
Im not saying they cant do anything with their picks, its just you have to have to have a first rounder every year, So they can swap all they want.
But i highly doubt the Hornets would get a higher pick in the draft.
Why can't the Knicks trade the 2011 pick. Regardless of a swap they still have a pick. I don't know all of the draft rules but I have never heard of a team doing a swap that could not move their pick. Knicks should be able to put an option that New Orleans has the right to claim their pick they want to which New Orleans would have to exercise or not before the draft. I have seen this happen before lots of times.
They can trade a pick.
But they have to get a first rounder back.
Theyll get that pick back but they cant trade it, no more than another swap.
And they definitely cant trade it until the next of end season to see if they have a worse record than Houston.
haha, sheltwon didnt say 'swaps' he said trade away the pick. I was talking directly to him anbout that which you tryied to correct me on. NOw you are tyring to back track and are too stubborn to admit you were worng by saying well they could swap picks they could change draft position wehn neither i nor sheltwon were talking about that. We were talking about good old fashion trading a pick. Your losing credibility in my eyes big time on this one the longer you refuse to man up.
Whoevers taking Paul is taking Okafor.
-Paul and Stoudemire could be better than Nash and Stoudemire.
-New York would have to find a way to find a starting wing like Josh Howard.
-All of these players will get better playing with Paul.
-In 2012-13 they would have 30 Mil committed on a great core of Felton, Collison, Poindexter, Brackins, Randolph, with options to re-sign Chandler, Jordan and Thornton as un-restricted Free agents.
-They have many expiring contracts that can help contenders possibly build their team for an extra push to win it all.
-This trade gives them good young talent and potential at every position PG-Collison, SG-Thornton, SF-Poindexter, PF-Brackins, C-Randolph (I'm not sure if he can actaully play Center but I heard he could...).
Felton can't be traded until December 15......
If the Hornets would try to trade Paul to the Knicks then I think they can probably convince Paul to play some games for the Hornets and see how the season goes for the first 2 months before deciding to break up.
A lot of "good teams on paper" stumbled out of the gate and then eventually needed to rebuild/retool the roster by January.
1) The Knicks have nothing to offer the Hornets for Chris Paul. They owe a 2012 first round pick to Houston, and therefore cannot send their semi-swapped 2011 first rounder to New York. Teams are not allowed to deal future first round picks in back-to-back seasons, so the next first rounder the Knicks can trade is 2014. The Hornets may very well be playing in Las Vegas or Newark by then.
2) The Knicks have youth, but none of their youth has proven anything. Randolph is a long athlete, not some building block prodigy. Chandler's name has no value to anyone who lives outside the New York metro area. Ditto for Gallinari. Curry's expiring deal would be, at most, able to merit saving New Orleans future money on Okafor. It wouldn't have anything to do with a Paul deal. Walker and Douglas are NBA bodies, but aren't tradeable assets. Felton can't be moved until the winter, and even then would have no value in a Paul trade as the Hornets already have Collison.
3) Under no possible circumstance can the Knicks put together a better deal than Portland. Really, the only team with the assets to put together a deal that would work for both sides is Portland. If the Blazers want him, they have the pieces to part with to get him. They have Bayless, Babbitt, Batum, Fernandez, Oden, Williams, Claver, Koponen, Freeland, Johnson, and Mills. They can offer a deal that sends Paul and Okafor to the Blazers and New Orleans gets Przybilla, Oden, Miller, Bayless, Fernandez, Batum, and the rights to Claver and Freeland.
PG: Paul, Miller, A. Johnson, Mills
SG: Roy, Williams
SF: Matthews, Babbitt
PF: Aldridge, Pendergraph, Cunningham
C: Camby, Okafor
PG: Miller, Collison, Bayless
SG: Thornton, Fernandez
SF: Batum, Stojakovic, Pondexter, Wright, (Claver)
PF: West, Songaila, Brackins
C: Oden, Przybilla, Gray, (Freeland)
I disagree with 1 and 2 and I agree with 3.
The Blazers have all the chips to make a great move for Paul. They could also get back a West or Okafor because there's been rumblings that they wanted to move Aldridge for 2 seasons now. If the Blazers would want the best deal- Portland would probably be the best place to get it.
I think your underrating the Knicks. They have some players to move if NO wanted to move Paul to NY.
The Knicks could come up to NO and offer
Gallinari, Felton, Chandler, Curry, Azubukie and 2 future 1st rounders( maybe a swap in 2013 and the outright 2014 pick) for Chris Paul and Julian Wright and I'd think that it could get it done.
Why would that be a good deal? Gallinari is a knockdown shooter. You may not think so but he's produced really well last season. Chandler could be a bench player. He's solid and has the length to defend and score well. Curry and Azu are both expiring contracts so no matter what- Your getting 13 million off the books. Felton could be a solid backup to Collison and he only has 2 years on his deal. He could be dealt or traded in 2011.
The only downside is the picks IMO
Your idea doesn't come close to what Portland can offer. New Orleans has $19 million coming off the payroll after this year when Peja and Songaila's deals expire. It is one thing to take back Curry's expiring deal if they can just get out of Okafor, because then they could use that money to get a second option for Paul. If Paul is gone, the cap space is not close to being as valuable. They wouldn't getting the big free agents unless they outbid someone, so they are best off getting the king's ransom of young rookie scale talent that Portland can put together. Gallinari is a 42 percent shooter and can't guard anyone. Is he better than Luke Babbitt? Probably not by much. Is he more valuable than multiple players who can do more than one thing? I doubt it. I think a package centered around Oden, three or four other former first round picks, and Przybilla's expiring deal for Paul and Okafor's bad deal is the best offer New Orleans can hope for. I'm not a Blazers fan. I don't have a great deal of respect for their core, but it looks really good if Chris Paul is running the point. I can see New Orleans taking those young players, and maybe after a year of beat downs in the West finding a few that can be a part of a rebuilt team.
"Your idea doesn't come close to what Portland can offer"
I'm almost 100 certain that's what I said. I'll even quote it
"The Blazers have all the chips to make a great move for Paul. They could also get back a West or Okafor because there's been rumblings that they wanted to move Aldridge for 2 seasons now. If the Hornets would want the best deal- Portland would probably be the best place to get it."
i love how everyone was raving about randolph before and now that hes a knick he has no value. Knicks have A LOT of young cheap talent. Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, Douglas, Walker, Aziibukee, Mozgov, Felton, Fields, Jordan, Rautins... you are telling me that a package of these players can't be made that is good enough for a player DEMANDING to be traded and will leave in 2 years.Picks are extremely overrated since the draft only produces 4-5 players a year with better potential than that either gallo or randolph. There are more busts than legit contributors...hence the same teams are in the lottery every year. If a lottery pick was as essential to success as you guys make it out to be, Clippers would be a powerhouse by now.Plus why would the hornets really care about a first round pick from a team that has paul and amare, that pick will be in the 20s and they have picks there for sale every year. Knicks can include 3 mill in the deal so NO can go out and buy themselves the 25th pick.
i love how everyone was raving about randolph before and now that hes a knick he has no value.
I have to agree. Now he's a Knick it's all I hear. I remember people calling him the next Lamar Odom. Now? He's lucky to be on the roster. LOL +1 man.
Knick hate glasses are strong... when Amare was tearing through the league February through April and would have brought his team to the finals if not for Kobe being ridiculous everyone loved him...now his knees are giving in apparently. I can't wait for Amare and Bosh to go head to head because Amare will destroy that skinny soft &$#%#&@!. I bet if the Knciks signed Bosh people would say hes soft and can't lead a team. Knicks have a solid squad about 10 young players with solid potential that take up 20 million in cap, a superstar (who cares if they overpaid they have the $$, you gotta spend it somewhere), still have money for a max next year so the Amare signing affect nothing...and guess what they arent scared of the luxury tax so Gallo, Randolph, Chandler and whoever else earns a decent paycheck will get it.
The Knicks could have gotten Wade, Bosh and James and people would say
I think there a lotto team.... It's the way it is.
not lottery but they would find something wrong with their bench and say they can't beat boston, orlando and la. Meanwhile everyone is cool with a Chalmers and Arroyo playing PG and 4356 year old Zydrunas at C.
"i love how everyone was raving about randolph before and now that hes a knick he has no value. Knicks have A LOT of young cheap talent. Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, Douglas, Walker, Aziibukee, Mozgov, Felton, Fields, Jordan, Rautins... you are telling me that a package of these players can't be made that is good enough for a player DEMANDING to be traded and will leave in 2 years."
Please try to make the argument any of combination of that supposed "young, cheap talent" is more appealing than what Portland can put together. You can't. Anthony Randolph showed flashes during rookie year. He did nothing to improve himself, launched a bunch of bad mid-range jumpers for Golden State, and then got hurt. Have fun with him. Gallinari must be the greatest one-way player who shoots 42 percent from the field in the history of the NBA. He has to be. Timofey Mozgov can walk up to you in his Knicks jersey and you still wouldn't know who he was. Are you really going to tout the young talent of 24-year old 2nd round rookies? Please.
"The Knicks could have gotten Wade, Bosh and James and people would say
I think there a lotto team.... It's the way it is."
Actually, most of us just pointed out that those three would never go to New York, and by the way we were right.
Gallo's shooting numbers are skewed because 60% of his attempts where threes, his TRUE SHOOTING percentage is actually pretty high. He played with greedy ball hogs and no playmakers, a player like Gallo will benefit more than anybody from a real point guard. And yes they can do better than the Blazers, they can also take on a bad contract if they have to. Don't compare a guy who's never played in the NBA to a guy who put up 15 and 5 basically his rookie year.