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Is Mullens a top 5 talent?

A 7 footer with his athleticism is hard to find now a days. He finishes everything strong around the rim too. If he goes to a team with a penetrating point he could get a lot of dunks and points just hanging around the rim. The inside is more open in the NBA because the 3 point line is further away so help has to come from farther. Is Mullens a top 5 talent?


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Talent? I would say yeah,

Talent? I would say yeah, but he will never live up to it sooo yeah.

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top five talent?

no i disagree i dont think he is top 5. Maybe top 10 at his best

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Top 15

But that is just natural talent so he has to actually work hard to reach it which I doubt will happen.

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What if he was hidden on purpose at OSU

I don't know if he is a top 5 but if he works hard with NBA trainers how good can he be.

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i Think so

He is a top 5 talent, definitely. If you question that your not a good talent observer. But he isnt a safe bet to harness the talent. He may though and I think he will be productive, but I wouldnt be shocked if he was terrible

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Fascination with Mullens?

I personally don't understand this fascination with Mullens. Anyway, let me slightly modify a response I wrote for one of several other Mullens threads in this forum.

He is a guy with tremendous agility for a 7 footer. In other words, BJ Mullens has outstanding physical talent which translates into the often used term "potential". Every now and then you'll see one of these players do something to make you stop and say, "Wow!, he's going to be so good."

Potential is often a fleeting glimpse of what someone could do if and when he dedicates himself to being great. The key words are "a fleeting glimpse" and that's true for Mullens. Whenever I saw him play he never once gave me that fleeting glimpse of greatness. Maybe someone else saw something in him I didn't?

The fact is that Mullens was completely lost out on the court this past season. He literally had no clue both on offense and defense. He never fit in with the offense, nor did he ever show any type of fluidity with the ball. In other words, the only time he scored were on dunks because he had virtually no post up game. Was that a criminal offense? Of course not, he was only a freshman. We as a culture are spoiled, we always want instantaneous results and it ain't gonna happen very often.

The big problem with Mullens, and why I think the "he will eventually be good argument" is seriously flawed, is the fact that he didn't return to school like Cole Aldrich did at Kansas. Aldrich went from a nothing freshman season to a very good sophomore year. And he was smart enough to return for his junior year. Next year Aldrich will have an excellent shot at being a lottery pick.

If Mullens stayed in school, he would be the number one focus of the Ohio State program and they would give him all of the coaching he needs to improve. Then it would be up to him.

However, in the NBA, you're just one guy on a 12 man team who's supposed to be a professional from day one. They literally don't have the time to devote to teaching fundamentals that a college coach has. Therefore, I think Mullens will join a long list of physically talented guys who entered the NBA and never reached their potential.

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Mullens game will be helped when he plays with better guards. His game is more suited for the NBA. He won't be great but I feel he will be a very effective NBA big man. If he is projected to go 15 then he will be worth the 15th pick possibly better.

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For god sake, Ohio State

For god sake, Ohio State best passer with IQ was Evan Turner. He's a good passer but nowhere near his highschool rival the great Derrick "Poohdini" Rose

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Who knows, you might be right, however, you and I couldn't disagree more. After reading all of the hype about Mullens before he attended Ohio State, I was very excited and couldn't wait to see him play. Wow! Without a doubt, he was the number one individual disappointment in college basketball last year.

1. He only played 20 minutes per game in the Big Ten. He was never in the game during crunch time.
2. He scored slightly more than 8 ppg.
3. He had a little more than 4 rpg. Two of the guards on the team almost out rebounded him.
4. He never once showed any flashes of brilliance either on the offensive or defensive end of the court. Usually a future talent displays that occasional great play that gets your attention. He never came close, he was like a deer looking into your headlights.

He never showed any heart or drive, nor did he demonstrate any type of basketball IQ.

Scout4Real, if a guy can't play regularly in the Big Ten and doesn't even start, what would make you think he will suddenly turn it around in the NBA and become a productive player?

I think Kosta Koufas will at best become a backup center in the NBA. When he played at Ohio State his freshman year, he was infinitely better than BJ Mullens.

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We will see

The Suns will draft the BPA. That will be Mullens or Clark. By trading Shaq, I think it might be Mullens.

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He does have top 5 talent

He does have top 5 talent and you can tell that by watching him but he does seem to have that personality that he would never get it but I could be wrong. I would take a chance on him though in the teens especially in a weak draft. He may actually prove to be better than Thabeet. He may be like 2 or 3 years for contributing but when he does i see him as a Bynum to maybe even a Howard. Remember Howard is big strong athletic with few post moves and is not a good passer. If a team draft him and gets a good big man coach, Mullens could be scary. I believe he will be good though. There are several example in the NBA of guys who are just bigger and faster than everyone at the post positions. I do believe that Ohio state held him back so that he would not leave this year.

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Exactly

I would not take him in the top 5 either. Dude has a lot of potential and he is 7 feet rtbt. I don't compare players to other players so Koufas is not in this discussion he is not BJ. He will be worth 15 to 20 and maybe he will be better that is the point. He does have top 5 talent and that is the basis of what I am saying rtbt

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Talent wise I don't even

Talent wise I don't even think he is top 20 in this draft.

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If he was two or three

If he was two or three inches shorter he would be in the 2nd round.

Being called a 7 footer crosses a psychological boundary for many GMs.

There is also a trend where the NBA favors athletic centers and consequently this somewhat diminishes the significance of height or size.

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Teams like TALL PLAYERS

Why do they want to know wingspan because they want to see how long they are for causing distruptions and how tall they play. A 7 footer who is long and can jump will effect shots even if he does not block them

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Scout4Real,

OK, forget the K. Koufas comparison. Obviously we disagree and that won't change. But you can't point to anything factual in his on court performance that would lead a rational person to conclude he will be a top flight professional. Anyone who looks at his brief performance and stats will cite that as evidence he was a failure at Ohio State.

All of the guys who claim BJ Mullens will be a success point to his height, reach, agility, and overall athletic skills. I don't deny of the above, however, there were numerous guys who went into the NBA with outstanding physical talent and for a variety of reasons, they were failures. Some of those reasons were,
Lack of Heart
Lack of Drive
Low Basketball IQ
Poor Work Ethic
Injuries

There are probably more reasons for their failure. In sum, you are citing his physical attributes and your belief he will be successful in the NBA. I hope you're right, but I don't see any on court evidence to substantiate your belief.

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I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with JOE (as in Average Joe)

Guess what it is?

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You make no sense. rtbt He was a freshmen in college. He is a young player who are you to question his heart. He has not played enough to know if he has heart he was a feshmen. Harden played bad in the tourney does that mean he has no heart. No.

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OVER-RATED

BIG-time!!!

If he was so special, why didn't he do better? Oden did. Koufos did. What's up with Mullens? Check his heart, you'll find the answer.

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Scout4Real:

I didn't say Mullens doesn't have heart. If you go back and read what I wrote, I was talking about an entire group of guys who had tremendous physical talent and failed to make it in the NBA. I then cited a list of reasons why those guys failed. Some those reasons may or may not apply to Mullens.

I can tell you at this point in his career he has a very low basketball IQ. On the other hand you're right, he was only a freshman so he still has a lot of room to grow. This is where you and I split. In order to achieve that type of growth, I believe he should have returned to Ohio State for his sophomore season. You believe he will achieve that growth in the NBA.

I hope I'm wrong and you're right. But once again, he hasn't shown one iota of on court proof that you will be correct.

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He got dominated by Luke

He got dominated by Luke Nevill. How can he even be considered a top talent?

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Do people understand the

Do people understand the different between talent and skill. I am just saying. Skill wise he is young and lacking but talent wise dude is just oozing with a decent post game athleticism. If you get the right front court coaches like Howard has Ewing this kids will be one of the top 5 big men in the league which is not saying much as the game is more about Guards now but he has that chance. What yall are saying about him people said about Bynum and some even said about Howard but look at them now.

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there is a big different

there is a big different between 7 foot and 6'9". When you look at that and legit length for a person size you have to factor that in because if that we not the case if Thabeet was 3 inches taller he would not be a top 5 draft pick. If Blair was 3 inches taller he would be a top 5 draft pick. Height and length and athleticism matter in basketball and matter in the NBA. How much if matter is hard to determine sometimes but to be a 7 foot player and can move like he does with decent length. Normally that would be a lottery pick or top 10 pick but because of his rawness he is going low. Amare went like 10 or something but a lot of people are looking foolish because of that. last year Deandre Jordan measure smaller than 7 foot but he still had size and went in the second round but he played like a 1st round talent as a big man.

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Intangibles

Blair has HEART and INSTICTS, which is way better than Mullens HEIGHT and POTENTIAL.

Blair>Mullens...anyday!!!

Do the right thing here Bulls...draft Blair!!!

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