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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 8:53am #53862
3 No Biases 3ParticipantThe hot topic on ESPN the last few days since Lebron said he would be top 4 of all time got me thinking about my top 4.
To me there are so many great players its hard to dwindle it down to 4 but I would have:
- Michael Jordan – Clear No.1 and won’t change any time soon IMO. The combination of skill, athleticism, and will to win are unmatched.
- Wilt Chamberlain – I don’t understand how so many ESPN guys left him off. He would still be a freak in todays NBA. 7’1" with a 7’9" wingspan, around a 35-40inch vertical, and he ran 100 meters in the low 10’s.
- Lebron James – Never has there been a more complete player combined with being a freak athletically. I don’t like that he’s had playoffs lapses but it doesn’t change this guy’s talent and I think he will no doubt be in the discussion at least for GOAT when said and done.
- Magic Johnson – Looking back at what this guy could do was amazing. Averaged over 11asts for his career at 6’9" and had 5 rings.
These guys are my top 4 because they are all so unique and dominant during their era’s.
Honorable mentions: Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, Shaq, Oscar Robertson, Tim Duncan, Bill Russell
Who would you have as your top 4? I’m sure there are many differences of opinions so I’d like to see other lists..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 8:59am #871168
HaleParticipantRight now I’d say: Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
Jordan is obvious and I can’t think of many who wouldn’t have Magic in there. Bird was every bit as good as Magic was and their rivalry was huge for the NBA. I think Kareem is the best big ever, although Wilt’s star power is right up there with him so he’d be my honorable mention. When LeBron is done I’d probably put him in and replace Kareem or Bird.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 8:59am #871063
HaleParticipantRight now I’d say: Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
Jordan is obvious and I can’t think of many who wouldn’t have Magic in there. Bird was every bit as good as Magic was and their rivalry was huge for the NBA. I think Kareem is the best big ever, although Wilt’s star power is right up there with him so he’d be my honorable mention. When LeBron is done I’d probably put him in and replace Kareem or Bird.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:06am #871172
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantI second this.
I wouldn’t put LeBron just yet simply because he still has another 8 years left in him and I don’t know what he’s going to accomplish. He should easily be in the conversation for top-5 when it’s all set and done.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:06am #871066
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantI second this.
I wouldn’t put LeBron just yet simply because he still has another 8 years left in him and I don’t know what he’s going to accomplish. He should easily be in the conversation for top-5 when it’s all set and done.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:10am #871175
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:29am #871177
MadDogParticipantFor most people I guess its going to be made up of MJ, Magic and Larry along with whoever they think is the best big man ever. For me, I’d probably have to take Russell not only because he’s the greatest winner and probably greatest defender of all time but him and Red Auerbach masterminded the offense that completely changed how basketball was played.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:29am #871071
MadDogParticipantFor most people I guess its going to be made up of MJ, Magic and Larry along with whoever they think is the best big man ever. For me, I’d probably have to take Russell not only because he’s the greatest winner and probably greatest defender of all time but him and Red Auerbach masterminded the offense that completely changed how basketball was played.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:32am #871179
PlatypusParticipantAs of today,
MJ, Kareem, Magic, and Coach K
Its not all about the players, coaches can change the game too
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:32am #871073
PlatypusParticipantAs of today,
MJ, Kareem, Magic, and Coach K
Its not all about the players, coaches can change the game too
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:44am #871183
FearTheStacheParticipantBill, Michael, Magic, Lebron
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:44am #871077
FearTheStacheParticipantBill, Michael, Magic, Lebron
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:45am #871184
DunksNJordans23ParticipantThis is a group that I see are definitely ahead of LeBron James. Michael Jordan (The G.O.A.T.), Bill Russell (11 rings), Wilt Chamberlain (100 point game, rings to back it up), Magic Johnson (Everything about him is ledgendary), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6 time NBA champion, 6 MVP and the list goes on), Larry Bird (Greatest 3 point shooter ever and had one of the best rivalries of all time vs Magic), Tim Duncan (Best power forward ever, The Big Fundemental), Julius Erving (63 and can dunk, he inspired many including MJ), Oscar Robertson (Averaged a triple double), Jerry West (The Logo), and Hakeem Olajuwon (The Dream was the first MAJOR superstar from Africa out of Nigeria).
Potentially ahead of LeBron James. Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant. Really I see him in roughly the same company as both of them. Kobe has 5 rings, Shaq is one of the greatest centers of all time, LeBron currently has two rings and four mvps, at least one of those numbers will grow (mvp). Currently what do we know LeBron as though?
I know he said by the end of his career but to get into the company above my guess is he will need at least 3 more mvps or some combination of more titles and mvps.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:45am #871079
DunksNJordans23ParticipantThis is a group that I see are definitely ahead of LeBron James. Michael Jordan (The G.O.A.T.), Bill Russell (11 rings), Wilt Chamberlain (100 point game, rings to back it up), Magic Johnson (Everything about him is ledgendary), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6 time NBA champion, 6 MVP and the list goes on), Larry Bird (Greatest 3 point shooter ever and had one of the best rivalries of all time vs Magic), Tim Duncan (Best power forward ever, The Big Fundemental), Julius Erving (63 and can dunk, he inspired many including MJ), Oscar Robertson (Averaged a triple double), Jerry West (The Logo), and Hakeem Olajuwon (The Dream was the first MAJOR superstar from Africa out of Nigeria).
Potentially ahead of LeBron James. Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant. Really I see him in roughly the same company as both of them. Kobe has 5 rings, Shaq is one of the greatest centers of all time, LeBron currently has two rings and four mvps, at least one of those numbers will grow (mvp). Currently what do we know LeBron as though?
I know he said by the end of his career but to get into the company above my guess is he will need at least 3 more mvps or some combination of more titles and mvps.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:52am #871190
HaleParticipantThere is absolutely no way Erving is above LeBron. Robertson, West and Kobe I don’t think have much of an argument either. Shaq, Hakeem, Bill, Wilt, Duncan are all legendary bigs and it’s hard to compare across positions but I’d say LeBron is definitely on the same tier and better than a few. Honestly in terms of peak play I only think Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem and maybe Magic are ahead of LeBron. It’s just that more goes into it than peak.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 9:52am #871085
HaleParticipantThere is absolutely no way Erving is above LeBron. Robertson, West and Kobe I don’t think have much of an argument either. Shaq, Hakeem, Bill, Wilt, Duncan are all legendary bigs and it’s hard to compare across positions but I’d say LeBron is definitely on the same tier and better than a few. Honestly in terms of peak play I only think Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem and maybe Magic are ahead of LeBron. It’s just that more goes into it than peak.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:57am #871262
dcaseParticipantRobertson, West and Kobe I don’t think have much of an argument either??? Why? Big O was putting up better numbers than Lebron for several years of his career. If it is because LBJ has 4 MVPs to Oscar’s 1…….I would argue it was a lot more difficult for the Big O to win an MVP during his time in the NBA. Perfect example of this would be his 61-62 season in which he averaged a triple-double and didn’t win the MVP.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:57am #871157
dcaseParticipantRobertson, West and Kobe I don’t think have much of an argument either??? Why? Big O was putting up better numbers than Lebron for several years of his career. If it is because LBJ has 4 MVPs to Oscar’s 1…….I would argue it was a lot more difficult for the Big O to win an MVP during his time in the NBA. Perfect example of this would be his 61-62 season in which he averaged a triple-double and didn’t win the MVP.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:29pm #871169
HaleParticipantI say it because he didn’t win anything until he was playing with Lew Alcindor. No doubt his triple double stats are amazing but if you don’t think LeBron could do the same in 1960 you are crazy. Robertson was a bull who benefitted from playing in particular era. LeBron has 4 MVP’s, 2 rings and already a 7x All NBA. He’ll easily pass Robertson’s 9 and is aready far ahead in the other areas. He’s still one of the 15 greatest, if not 10 greatest players ever but he’s not LeBron.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:09pm #871221
tblazer_NZParticipant“he didn’t win anything until he was playing with Lew Alcindor”
LeBron didn’t win any rings before the big 3 era.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:12pm #871223
HaleParticipantDifference being LeBron already has more titles than Oscar and he was the best player on his title teams where Oscar was not.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:12pm #871328
HaleParticipantDifference being LeBron already has more titles than Oscar and he was the best player on his title teams where Oscar was not.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:09pm #871326
tblazer_NZParticipant“he didn’t win anything until he was playing with Lew Alcindor”
LeBron didn’t win any rings before the big 3 era.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 8:40am #871430
dcaseParticipantRobertson benefitted from playing in a particular era. Really? The reason he only has one championship is because his team had to play against Russell’s Celtics year after year. If he plays in an era and doesn’t have to face that dominant Celtic team, he likely has several championships. The same can be said for Jerry West. As far as MVPs go, look at the seasons he had that did not earn him MVPs. Essentially 30, 12, and 12 and you don’t win MVP? Shoot…. Wilt averaged 50 and 26 that year and didn’t win it. The competition for the MVP award has been significantly less when Lebron has won it.
The era argument always gets me. Robertson put up those numbers in an era that didn’t award assists as easily as todays NBA (i.e. pass to a player that does several head fakes/jab steps, dribbles and then makes a shot) and didn’t call every hand check/flop (which benefits the offensive player). The era argumnet also doesn’t take into account everything off the court that older players endured that could easily affect perfomance on the court. For example today’s players are pampered when it comes to travel schedules and rarely have to play back to back games. Back then back to back games and even games three consecutive days were extremely common. Not to mention games were often played shortly after arriving on a cramped bus/plane.
I have a hard time seeing that there are 5 (let alone 10 or 15) players better than the Big O. You are right he is not Lebron….he’s better.
0- Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 9:49am #871444
HaleParticipantSorry, let my clarify. He benefitted statiscally from playing in his particular era. It wasn’t uncommon to see guys average 30 and 15 every year when he played, not to mention the pace of the game was far faster than it is today which makes accumulating stats much easier to do. That’s why you see a guy averaging 30 12 and 12 not winning MVP because everybody had inflated stats. Teams averaged 118.8 ppg in 1961-1962 and over 115 ppg from from 1959-1970, think about that compared to 100.2 this season. Defense was basically a foreign concept in his era.
I’ll do some simple math for you. Oscar Robertson that year averaged 24.7% of his teams points, 41.7% of his teams assists and 17.4% of his teams rebounds while playing 91.2% of his teams minutes. This season (a down year in terms of bulk stats) LeBron is averaging 24.9% of his teams points, 27.5% of his teams assists and 23.4% of his teams rebounds on 75.7% of his teams minutes.
Now let’s do a little adjusting. LeBron James when adjusting for 1961-1962 pace: 30.7 ppg 14.2 rpg 7.1 apg while still playing 75.7% of his teams minutes. Further adjusting to meet Oscar’s mpg: 36.4 ppg 16.8 rpg 8.4 apg. I find that more impressive than anything Oscar ever did, and like I said before this is done year for LeBron is terms of bulk stats.
There is no doubt Oscar is a legend. He’s arguably top 10 ever. He’s probably the LeBron of his era as a 6’5 tank who ran the point and did everything well. However, LeBron is just flat out better. He’s very likely going to go down as the 2nd greatest player of all time. It’ not a slight to Oscar, LeBron is just that special.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 9:49am #871550
HaleParticipantSorry, let my clarify. He benefitted statiscally from playing in his particular era. It wasn’t uncommon to see guys average 30 and 15 every year when he played, not to mention the pace of the game was far faster than it is today which makes accumulating stats much easier to do. That’s why you see a guy averaging 30 12 and 12 not winning MVP because everybody had inflated stats. Teams averaged 118.8 ppg in 1961-1962 and over 115 ppg from from 1959-1970, think about that compared to 100.2 this season. Defense was basically a foreign concept in his era.
I’ll do some simple math for you. Oscar Robertson that year averaged 24.7% of his teams points, 41.7% of his teams assists and 17.4% of his teams rebounds while playing 91.2% of his teams minutes. This season (a down year in terms of bulk stats) LeBron is averaging 24.9% of his teams points, 27.5% of his teams assists and 23.4% of his teams rebounds on 75.7% of his teams minutes.
Now let’s do a little adjusting. LeBron James when adjusting for 1961-1962 pace: 30.7 ppg 14.2 rpg 7.1 apg while still playing 75.7% of his teams minutes. Further adjusting to meet Oscar’s mpg: 36.4 ppg 16.8 rpg 8.4 apg. I find that more impressive than anything Oscar ever did, and like I said before this is done year for LeBron is terms of bulk stats.
There is no doubt Oscar is a legend. He’s arguably top 10 ever. He’s probably the LeBron of his era as a 6’5 tank who ran the point and did everything well. However, LeBron is just flat out better. He’s very likely going to go down as the 2nd greatest player of all time. It’ not a slight to Oscar, LeBron is just that special.
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- Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 8:40am #871536
dcaseParticipantRobertson benefitted from playing in a particular era. Really? The reason he only has one championship is because his team had to play against Russell’s Celtics year after year. If he plays in an era and doesn’t have to face that dominant Celtic team, he likely has several championships. The same can be said for Jerry West. As far as MVPs go, look at the seasons he had that did not earn him MVPs. Essentially 30, 12, and 12 and you don’t win MVP? Shoot…. Wilt averaged 50 and 26 that year and didn’t win it. The competition for the MVP award has been significantly less when Lebron has won it.
The era argument always gets me. Robertson put up those numbers in an era that didn’t award assists as easily as todays NBA (i.e. pass to a player that does several head fakes/jab steps, dribbles and then makes a shot) and didn’t call every hand check/flop (which benefits the offensive player). The era argumnet also doesn’t take into account everything off the court that older players endured that could easily affect perfomance on the court. For example today’s players are pampered when it comes to travel schedules and rarely have to play back to back games. Back then back to back games and even games three consecutive days were extremely common. Not to mention games were often played shortly after arriving on a cramped bus/plane.
I have a hard time seeing that there are 5 (let alone 10 or 15) players better than the Big O. You are right he is not Lebron….he’s better.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:29pm #871274
HaleParticipantI say it because he didn’t win anything until he was playing with Lew Alcindor. No doubt his triple double stats are amazing but if you don’t think LeBron could do the same in 1960 you are crazy. Robertson was a bull who benefitted from playing in particular era. LeBron has 4 MVP’s, 2 rings and already a 7x All NBA. He’ll easily pass Robertson’s 9 and is aready far ahead in the other areas. He’s still one of the 15 greatest, if not 10 greatest players ever but he’s not LeBron.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:12am #871198
RUDEBOY_ParticipantOutside of Dr. James Naismith who invented the game..Nobody has changed the way the game is played more than Julius Erving…
Dr. J might not have been a better player then Bird,Magic,Lebron or as dominant as Wilt…..But the influence he placed on the game you have to find a place for him on there…..And he has the accomplishments and stats to help back him up….
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:12am #871093
RUDEBOY_ParticipantOutside of Dr. James Naismith who invented the game..Nobody has changed the way the game is played more than Julius Erving…
Dr. J might not have been a better player then Bird,Magic,Lebron or as dominant as Wilt…..But the influence he placed on the game you have to find a place for him on there…..And he has the accomplishments and stats to help back him up….
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:50am #871258
dcaseParticipantNo one has changed the game more than Dr. J? In what sense? If you are referring to Dr. J changing the game in the sense of playing above the rim……..Elgin Baylor played that way before him (so did Connie Hawkins). I would argue that Wilt might have changed/influenced the game the most. I’ve lost track of the number of rule changes that were put in place because of him. You could argue that Magic also changed the way the game was played more than Dr. J.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:50am #871153
dcaseParticipantNo one has changed the game more than Dr. J? In what sense? If you are referring to Dr. J changing the game in the sense of playing above the rim……..Elgin Baylor played that way before him (so did Connie Hawkins). I would argue that Wilt might have changed/influenced the game the most. I’ve lost track of the number of rule changes that were put in place because of him. You could argue that Magic also changed the way the game was played more than Dr. J.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:41am #871216
lalailaParticipantIf LeBron won’t accomplish anythong much more it’s still 4-timeMVP, twice NBA champion, twice FInals MVP with the abilities of one of the most versitile defenders, arguably the best ever passing forward, triple double machine and still once scoring champ.. that’s something around TOP7-10 category.. but that’s the thing,he is getting moreand more of a complete player he is 29 and seems like he can hold his prime years pretty long with the way he is build.. so I would say Top3 is something he CAN get.
as far as the greats, yes it’s easy to pick MJ Magic and Bird because they are too unique and next to them there have to be those 4-5 amazing centers..
and I believe Shaquille doesn’t get mentioned he deservers..I mean three-peat at the time Timmy and spurs were at their best too..average of 30ppg14rpg4apg almost 4bpg.. and most importantly he was beast when it counted the most, like he seemed not to be the defender and rebounder he could be, but in those long playoff runs to win it he twice (2000-2001) avg 30/15 for the whole playoffs..
he was simply unstoppable
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:41am #871111
lalailaParticipantIf LeBron won’t accomplish anythong much more it’s still 4-timeMVP, twice NBA champion, twice FInals MVP with the abilities of one of the most versitile defenders, arguably the best ever passing forward, triple double machine and still once scoring champ.. that’s something around TOP7-10 category.. but that’s the thing,he is getting moreand more of a complete player he is 29 and seems like he can hold his prime years pretty long with the way he is build.. so I would say Top3 is something he CAN get.
as far as the greats, yes it’s easy to pick MJ Magic and Bird because they are too unique and next to them there have to be those 4-5 amazing centers..
and I believe Shaquille doesn’t get mentioned he deservers..I mean three-peat at the time Timmy and spurs were at their best too..average of 30ppg14rpg4apg almost 4bpg.. and most importantly he was beast when it counted the most, like he seemed not to be the defender and rebounder he could be, but in those long playoff runs to win it he twice (2000-2001) avg 30/15 for the whole playoffs..
he was simply unstoppable
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 1:42pm #871195
King CaluchaParticipantLebron is great, but I still think Bird is the greatest passing forward of all time. He just wasn’t the primary ball handler as Lebron, but he had better court vision and accuracy.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 1:42pm #871300
King CaluchaParticipantLebron is great, but I still think Bird is the greatest passing forward of all time. He just wasn’t the primary ball handler as Lebron, but he had better court vision and accuracy.
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RUDEBOY_Participantyeah, i would have embiid and vonleh over gordon….
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:00am #871131
RUDEBOY_Participantyeah, i would have embiid and vonleh over gordon….
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:24pm #871272
TONYDABOSS77ParticipantI agree with the comment about Erving changing the game, but if you’re gonna give him that type of respect, then you have to do the same for Iverson…Godfather of the dribble.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:24pm #871167
TONYDABOSS77ParticipantI agree with the comment about Erving changing the game, but if you’re gonna give him that type of respect, then you have to do the same for Iverson…Godfather of the dribble.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 2:10pm #871203
GrandmamaParticipantJordan, Wilt, Kareem, Magic
Lebron will probably be there when it’s all said and done, but he isn’t there yet
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 2:10pm #871308
GrandmamaParticipantJordan, Wilt, Kareem, Magic
Lebron will probably be there when it’s all said and done, but he isn’t there yet
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 2:20pm #871207
Ghost01ParticipantLeBron will go down at least as the 2nd greatest player of alltime. The Mt. Rushmore thing is really just subjective and opinionated, everyone weighs different things.
LeBron is better at basketball than Magic or Bird were.
Other than Jordan, it is extremely hard to argue anyone else ahead of LeBron.
The other two guys I would throw in that group are Wilt and Russell, but that was such a different era its hard to judge.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 2:20pm #871312
Ghost01ParticipantLeBron will go down at least as the 2nd greatest player of alltime. The Mt. Rushmore thing is really just subjective and opinionated, everyone weighs different things.
LeBron is better at basketball than Magic or Bird were.
Other than Jordan, it is extremely hard to argue anyone else ahead of LeBron.
The other two guys I would throw in that group are Wilt and Russell, but that was such a different era its hard to judge.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 3:11pm #871217
evantomesParticipantI would pick Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 3:11pm #871322
evantomesParticipantI would pick Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:20pm #871231
Memphis MadnessParticipantMount Rushmore of Basketball: Michael, Magic, Larry, Robertson, West, LeBron, Kobe, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, and Shaq.
top four: Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and Russell.
i will take Russell’s 11 rings over Magic.
cant leave out the Big Three Centers.
Magic is fifth all time. Bird is 6th. To pass Bird, LeBron needs another title. To pass him and
Magic I think LeBron needs two more rings and another MVP award. If James wants to pass Jordan he needs a three peat. Four straight for LeBron would really help him if he wants to pass MJ.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:20pm #871336
Memphis MadnessParticipantMount Rushmore of Basketball: Michael, Magic, Larry, Robertson, West, LeBron, Kobe, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, and Shaq.
top four: Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and Russell.
i will take Russell’s 11 rings over Magic.
cant leave out the Big Three Centers.
Magic is fifth all time. Bird is 6th. To pass Bird, LeBron needs another title. To pass him and
Magic I think LeBron needs two more rings and another MVP award. If James wants to pass Jordan he needs a three peat. Four straight for LeBron would really help him if he wants to pass MJ.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:54pm #871253
wd40rocksParticipantI’m pretty sure George Mikan actually changed the rules the most, the man was the reason they created the following rules that I can name off the top of my head: goaltending, offensive 3 seconds, and 24 second shot clock. The game of basketball basically warped itself around this man until the NBA made drastic changes.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:54pm #871358
wd40rocksParticipantI’m pretty sure George Mikan actually changed the rules the most, the man was the reason they created the following rules that I can name off the top of my head: goaltending, offensive 3 seconds, and 24 second shot clock. The game of basketball basically warped itself around this man until the NBA made drastic changes.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:57pm #871255
wd40rocksParticipantNot to say ol’ Georgie should be on the list though…I’m pretty sure the normal "big men" back in his day topped out at 6’4.
0- Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:11pm #871477
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantNot to rip on Mikan (he was a great player for his time no doubt) but we also have to keep in mind that back then the NBA (like the NFL) didn’t pay very much and some of the top college players chose to pursue different career paths.
Obviously I never saw him play, but according to a lot of his contemporaries Bob Kurland was just as good. Kurland was a 7 footer that was a 3 time first-team All-American, 2 time NCAA Final Four MVP and a 2 time Gold Medal winner at the Olympics.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:11pm #871583
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantNot to rip on Mikan (he was a great player for his time no doubt) but we also have to keep in mind that back then the NBA (like the NFL) didn’t pay very much and some of the top college players chose to pursue different career paths.
Obviously I never saw him play, but according to a lot of his contemporaries Bob Kurland was just as good. Kurland was a 7 footer that was a 3 time first-team All-American, 2 time NCAA Final Four MVP and a 2 time Gold Medal winner at the Olympics.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 4:57pm #871360
wd40rocksParticipantNot to say ol’ Georgie should be on the list though…I’m pretty sure the normal "big men" back in his day topped out at 6’4.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 6:22pm #871295
marquee_markParticipantI couldn’t believe that Curtis Harris placed George Mikan on his Mt. Rushmore yet left off Michael Jordan in the ESPN article. Crazy talk. I’d have to go with Jordan, Kareem, Larry, and Wilt.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/12/2014 - 6:22pm #871400
marquee_markParticipantI couldn’t believe that Curtis Harris placed George Mikan on his Mt. Rushmore yet left off Michael Jordan in the ESPN article. Crazy talk. I’d have to go with Jordan, Kareem, Larry, and Wilt.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 6:24am #871498
ThunderHog35ParticipantGotta have Jordan, Russell, Magic, and…..Wilt. The first three are locked down already getting their heads outlines on the stone, that 4th spot is tough though. Hakeem, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, and Lebron all can stake a claim. If LeBron gets to 4 rings, he gets the spot and they have to find a space for a 5th so there can be some sort of controversy.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/13/2014 - 6:24am #871393
ThunderHog35ParticipantGotta have Jordan, Russell, Magic, and…..Wilt. The first three are locked down already getting their heads outlines on the stone, that 4th spot is tough though. Hakeem, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, and Lebron all can stake a claim. If LeBron gets to 4 rings, he gets the spot and they have to find a space for a 5th so there can be some sort of controversy.
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