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isnt that what a leader does

i have no problem with what he did hes the leader and as the leader should and get the respect of a rookie a rookie has to be able to handle the abuse from a vet hay ward was drafted because hes supposed to be a smart player able to handle the jazz offense and when u arent gonna listen to your leader rook have fun riding j sloans bench

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I went to the game and I

I went to the game and I don't know if the tv caught the whole exchange or not but it was brutal. For some reason the place was quiet then everyone heard dwill curseing out hayward.  He was loud and told him he needs to fu$@ing run the right play. Also called him a dummy and someother things. Sloan asked him "what the hell are u doing" and to calm down

I'm not sure if I feel one way or another about that but I do know Jordan and bird used to do that and did it way more often but no one had a issue with it 

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If that's true, than that is pretty harsh.

Here's the article.

"SALT LAKE CITY — Swingman Gordon Hayward fails to run through along the baseline from one side of the floor to the other, as the Jazz offensive system calls for him to do.

All-Star point guard Deron Williams, frustrated in the closing minutes of the Jazz's TNT-televised home loss to Phoenix on Thursday night, gets upset with the rookie's miscue and zings a harder-than-need-be pass at him.

Later the two exchanged words heading into a timeout, with Williams chastising the rookie for not running the floor like he should.

After the game, Hayward acknowledged he should have cut through the lane and both he and Williams chalked off the incident to "miscommunication."

By Friday, however, the play and its aftermath had hit YouTube. And prior to practice today, coach Jerry Sloan addressed the matter.

"First of all, I think both of them were wrong in some aspects of it," he said. "Because I think Gordon could have run the floor for a layup, which he didn't do. Deron could have not thrown the basketball at him, which was wrong.

"And those are things that sometime happen in a ballgame," Sloan added. "You know, I don't think you can embarrass someone as a player and a teammate to get those points across. There's an easier, better way of doing it — especially with a young guy."

Hayward, incidentally, caught the beeline pass from Williams. He then dished to power forward Paul Millsap from the right side, cut and accepted a return pass from Millsap to complete the give-and-go with a layup."

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the play worked but Hayward

the play worked but Hayward needs to cut across to clear room for Jefferson. He is a rookie though and Williams knows better than that.

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since we're still discussing

since we're still discussing it, i still think dwill really overreacted. Its not like hayward wasnt working hard or was blowing defensive assignements or something. He didnt make a cut. DWill has every right to call him out for it, but DWill acted like a huge prick about it and tried to embarass him in fornt of the whole arena and even after hayward scored and dwill had a few seconds to calm down, does he approach hayward with some sense of profesionalism and tell him what he did wrong( not that he hadnt already clearly gotten his point across), no, he instead went ballistic and yelled and screamed at him all over a play where hayward scored. I wonder how dwill would have acted had hayward missed the layup?

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Hayward needs to focus and

Hayward needs to focus and step his game up this isnt the Horizon league... Its funny how people are so quick to critcize some players (they dont like) and stick up for players they like...

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billyk, i dont think being a

billyk, i dont think being a fan of certain players is an issue here. WHat draws you to that conlcusion?

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I think he was addressing IndianaBasketball, AKA ButlerBulldogs.

I agree with everyone. Deron Williams was obviously frustrated and, like Sloan said, there was a better way of letting him know to cut next time. I've watched him for a long time, and while he's never done anything like this before, he isn't exactly the nicest guy you'll ever meet. His comments after Western Conference Finals trip a few years back were indicative of that.

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i agree with that no money.

i agree with that no money. WHile i didnt quite understand the situation last night, i dont think we can go overboard trying to judge dwill as a person or leader over it. He was probably more frustrated at the game overall and just lost his cool.

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Reading how certain people comment you can sense a bais is there reasoning... An example is Hayward.. What if it was Lebron who failed to move without the ball??? Kopbe is legendary for calling his teamates out for NOT being in the right place or not making the correct play, is he a "huge prick" or a d*ck??? Or is he just being competitive??

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if kobe did what dwill did,

if kobe did what dwill did, then he would be called a prick or a dik too in my book everytime.

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Was thisa big deal...the game was last night...

Hayward got chewed out by D Will ,...that shows me Deron is the leader..Thats Tough love...D Will probally expects more from a 9th overall pick...i like Hayward but i won't baby him either...a bad play is a vbad play...

now where is the newest Game thread...

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"I think he was addressing

"I think he was addressing IndianaBasketball, AKA ButlerBulldogs."

AND? Even if Hayward wasn't from Indiana or went to Butler, I'd have STILL said that was a d*ck head thing to do. Llperez isn't a fan of Hayward or Butler and he said the same thing as well.

"Reading how certain people comment you can sense a bais is there reasoning... An example is Hayward.. What if it was Lebron who failed to move without the ball??? Kopbe is legendary for calling his teamates out for NOT being in the right place or not making the correct play, is he a "huge prick" or a d*ck??? Or is he just being competitive??"

And what are YOU talking about billyk? This isn't even a similar situation to LeBron not having an off of the ball skill set. This was about a rookie making a mistake and the leader of the team going overboard.

IF the situation was involving LeBron, James Jones, Mike Bibby, John Wall, whomever... I'd have said the same thing.

I love it that you're trying to jump in on something just because you're butt hurt about LeBron James. Did you watch the pre-game show before the game today? Van Gundy, Jon Barry, etc said the EXACT same things I've been saying. Are they being over critical or just honest?

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Butt hurt??? Lol dude this is

Butt hurt??? Lol dude this is the internet...

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This is pretty sad yall. I'll

This is pretty sad yall.

I'll break the bias barrier here, I'm on IndianaBasketball/llperez's side on this. True, Hayward missed a cut. But, he made up for it by (first of all, catching Deron's baseball pass) making the pass to Millsap and making the layup. Deron should've just told him what to do but then told him good job on recovering from the mistake that he made.

Deron isn't exactly playing good right now so he can't blow up on people for messing up 1 play

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