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Moving on...Suns @ Jazz

Hopefully this second game isnt as brutal as the first. Although I do see a good 1st half I think Deron and Paul yes "Paul Millsap" not Al Jefferson blow this one out in the 2nd half.


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Awww

Too many turnovers.

I think Bell has four alone.

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AK's hair is sooooo coool

AK's hair is sooooo coool

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AK went from looking like the

AK went from looking like the boxer from Rocky to Shaggy from Scooby Doo.

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Al Jefferson is probably a

Al Jefferson is probably a better low post scorer, but he doesn't do anything else better than Boozer. He doesn't rebound as well. He doesn't pick and pop as well. He doesn't shoot as well. He's mostly an isolation post up player. He's not as active as Boozer either.

And even though Boozer wasn't a great defender, he played hard and held his ground well... Can't say that about Jefferson.

The chemistry between Williams and Jefferson will take some time.

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BOO

START RONNIE PRICE!

START RONNIE PRICE!

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wheres the D?

wheres the D?

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And don't be suprised if

And don't be suprised if Hayward becomes the starter at one of those wing spots later on in the season.

He's better than people think. Just needs to keep gaining confidence.

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I'm

I'm sad. The Jazz make me sad.

Deron isn't playing with any kind of killer instinct. Kirilenko, Bell and Hayward are missing all of their jumpshots. Al Jefferson can't play defense.

I want to see Price, Hayward, Kirilenko, Evans and Elson on the floor at the same time. That way, we'll at least play hard.

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Gotta hand it to Nash, he can

Gotta hand it to Nash, he can make anyone look much better then they really are.

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Deron looks unhappy out

Deron looks unhappy out there. Where's the passion?

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I

I love you Andrei Kirilenko.

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That was wierd timing for a

That was wierd timing for a LAC commercial lol.

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Agreed

I was all like, "Whhhhhy?"

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I had to check the channel to

I had to check the channel to see if I was still on TNT and not NBATV or something... Sterling paid a pretty penny to get that commercial on.

Jazz starting to make a good run.

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Jefferson

Jefferson does NOT know how to rotate defensively.

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anybody who thought jefferson

anybody who thought jefferson was gonna help utah defenisvely was crazy

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Ronnie

Ronnie Price shall deliver us from shoddiness.

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Nash

the Suns established the tempo of the game, that is why they are winning. That and Nash just makes everyone around him better, what is in the water in phoenix???

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D-Will

Anybody else see Deron throw the ball at Hayward? It was a pass, but Williams just chucked it at him like a dodgeball. Then once the timeout was called he started yelling at him.

He mad.

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That's "great" leadership by

That's "great" leadership by Deron. D*ck head.

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Never

I've never seen D-Will yell at someone like that. That's more of a Chris Paul thing to me.

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I've lost A LOT of respect

I've lost A LOT of respect for Deron after that. That's not leadership. Hayward's a young rookie. You don't blast him like that... You pull him to the side. You don't want to hurt a young player's confidence in only his second game of the season.

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he can yell if he wants, but

he can yell if he wants, but throwing the ball at him was kinda classless becasue you are basically trying to embarass him in front of the whole arena and plus it might go out of bounds simply becasue hes mad over something about him not cutting through the lane. Then to yell after the fact on top of all it was just too much.

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He threw another crazy pass

He threw another crazy pass Hayward's way a few plays after that one.

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i know rooks gotta have thick

i know rooks gotta have thick skin and not get upset about getting called out by a vet, but theres a fine line between constructive yelling and being a dik. I would zone someone out if they disrespect me like that.

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Jazz

Jazz wings are supposed to cut under the hoop when running down the court.

Deron Williams is used to playing with people who knew where to move. Kirilenko, Miles, Brewer, Matthews, Harpring, Korver; they all knew the offense. Now nobody on the Jazz is moving where they are supposed to. Easy to understand why Williams is so frustrated. But instead of worrying about his teammates, he should be taking over himself.

The Jazz need to get it together. Especially the newbies.

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Yea... That was pure

Yea... That was pure disrespect.

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That's why he's the leader

That's why he's the leader though. I heard at the start of the game that Sloan made him the sole leader for that purpose.

That wasn't leadership we saw. It almost reminds me of something Dirk Nowitzki did with Jason Terry quite a few years back.

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Well

While I think D-Will overreacted, you guys are starting to blow it out of proportion.

Williams told Hayward to do what he was supposed to be doing, and he didn't. Williams is the team captain and you need to listen to him, especially if you are a rookie fighting for playing time.

Hayward zone out Williams? That is completely idiotic.

Hayward was supposed to be a smart player; it was a simple play.

Sloan isn't going to back up Hayward on this either. So Hayward needs to learn the offense, or he isn't going to play much this season.

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Yea... Hayward didn't cut

Yea... Hayward didn't cut through because he didn't want to. Yea.. He didn't want to listen to Deron. Pure disobedience! It's his second game of the season...Rookies make mistakes.

Even Sloan looked at Deron like "WTF is wrong with you?" in the huddle. And the TNT crew followed that up by saying Utah needs a positive vocal leader. Deron clearly isn't that guy.

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i dint mean zone out dwill

i dint mean zone out dwill forever. But when someone comes at me like that, yeah im probably gonna zone them out for the rest the game. People are emotional. Dwill is emotional too. And so am i when i feel like someone aint acting right with me. Im not blowing it out of proportion. Just speakiing on something that happened since thats what we are discussing. It will be done by the time they get up in the morning.

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Deron

Deron motioned for him to cut around.

I have my TV screen paused right now and Hayward is waiting in the corner, looking at a very angry Deron Williams.

While he was frustrated when he passed the ball, it's not like it was overly violent or anything. He was getting the message across. Deron Williams is a PROVEN leader. Hayward had better listen and cut next time.

"Deron clearly isn't that guy."

You are basing this on what? One play?

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In

When the timeout was called, Deron Williams told him to "CROSS". Hayward said something back, and Williams repeated himself.

That's all he said to Hayward. He then went over to Sloan and started talking to him.

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Hmmm

"And the TNT crew followed that up by saying Utah needs a positive vocal leader. Deron clearly isn't that guy."

Actually, the TNT crew called it "tough love".

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deron made some exagerrated

deron made some exagerrated hand gestures and faical expressions letting hayward know he wanted him to cut. By then it was too late and the next option was to pass to hayward which he did bt throwing it at him in a disgusted manner. Hayward then scores on the play and everyone and their grandma knows he messed up and that dwill is not happy. It happens and the end result was hayward scoring and dwill could have just said "look, you gotta cut through on that one." But instead he continued to go off like hayward had insulted his momma or something and even sloan looked like damn dwill wtf?

Anyways, i agree his whole thing is done with and we dont need to make it bigger then it is.

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and he didnt simply say

and he didnt simply say "cross" and then repeat it. He was mean mugging him and screaming it.

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Read. Did I write Deron

Read. Did I write Deron Williams wasn't a leader? I said he wasn't that positive vocal leader. They said before the game that he'd never really been a vocal leader. And IF you read up a little more, you'll see that I also wrote, "That's why he's the leader."

And yes... Kenny Smith did mention Utah needs a voice to step up and then put an emphasis on "A positive voice."

I don't have a problem with the yelling, even though it was uncalled for. I just thought it was d*ck head move to throw the ball like that.

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He

He didn't say much. I can't read lips but he obviously said cross.

Hayward is a rookie. He needs to accept the criticism and learn from this.

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Deron is just mad that Paul

Deron is just mad that Paul is healthy again and he's going to lose his mantle as best PG in the L. Playing with new players is no excuse, Nash is doing the same thing and making them better. Phoenix are going to be Orlando West with the amount of 3s they'll need to take to be competitive without STAT. That said, Richardson is looking pretty solid thus far. Very interested to see how far Nash can take these Suns, still don't think that they can make playoffs in the West if 50 games is the requirement again this year (unlikely).

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"Playing with new players is

"Playing with new players is no excuse, Nash is doing the same thing and making them better."

And he's doing it without yelling, screaming, pouting and throwing the basketball at them.

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Dude

"Read. Did I write Deron Williams wasn't a leader?"

You seriously want to play this game? Did I write that you wrote that Deron Williams wasn't a leader?

Deron Williams has been a positive leader for the last four years.

I know you like Hayward and want to see him do well, but if he can't play in the Jazz system then he needs to sit his ass down on the bench.

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Yeah

The Suns offense is a little different than the Jazz offense.

Am I talking to people who watch basketball here?

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I don't care if he would've

I don't care if he would've thrown the ball at CJ Miles or Raja Bell. I'd have said the same thing.

Now, let's drop this. You're taking it personal lol. I don't even like the damn Jazz that much to argue with you about them.

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Ha

First of all, CJ Miles and Raja Bell know the Jazz system.

Second, I'm taking it personal? It seems to me like you're the one who's hot over this.

I'm not a big fan of Deron Williams either, but he is the best player on the Jazz. He's been the best point guard in the NBA over the last few seasons and that gives him a little leeway when it comes to taking out his frustration on rookies who don't know the offense.

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This

The only thing I took personal was this.

"Read."

I honestly took that as a big EFF YOU.

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Shouldn't CJ Miles know the

Shouldn't CJ Miles know the system by now? How long has he been there? I'm sure he messed up his rookie season too, which is probably why he never played. And Raja Bell is a veteran... He messed up tonight as well. It happens.

Regardless... Throwing the ball at a teammate was a d*ck head thing to do. I don't care who it involved.

And I'm not taking it personal at all. Like I wrote above... I don't care enough about the Utah Jazz.

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Yes

Miles got it way worse his rookie year from Sloan. Trust me.

Sloan on Miles: "If he is going to be on the NBA floor he has to step up and get after it. We can't put diapers on him one night and a jock strap the next. It's just the way it is."

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"Deron Williams is a PROVEN

"Deron Williams is a PROVEN leader."

I never said he wasn't a "PROVEN" leader, hence the "read" reply. I said that he clearly wasn't that positive vocal leader that the team needed after watching him scream, yell and throw a ball at a teammate during only the second game of the season.

That doesn't mean he isn't a leader though. Just not the positive vocal type.

But hey... I'm done and going to bed! 0-2 start for Jazz, so I know you're frustrated! They'll win the next one!

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I was simply stating a fact. Deron Williams has proven himself as a leader.

That quote was not directed as a contradiction to something you previously wrote.

Again...

I never said that you said he wasn't a leader.

I did read your comments. I knew what you were saying.

Now I'm done.

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Happy Ending

The Jazz's frustration increased as Phoenix pulled away in the second half. Deron Williams yelled at rookie Gordon Hayward after the two miscommunicated on a possession midway through the fourth quarter, as Hayward wasn't where the All-star guard expected him to be.

"It was just miscommunication," Hayward said. "I should have cut through (the lane). It was just frustration."

Hayward said those type of issues will be fixed as he gets more pro experience.

"I think with time it will be fine," he said. "Just not playing with him, not knowing what he wants me to do (is the problem). Next time I'll get it done."

Jazz coach Jerry Sloan said he was fine with Williams getting on Hayward..

" I don't have a problem with it as long as there's no malicious intent," Sloan said. "Sometimes frustration sets in on everybody. You have that happen once in a while. You have to play through it. You can't play backwards, you have to continue to play forward. Those things happen."

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